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[tangythang]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. They have again and again said that ME3 will be the end of Shepard and the story arc they established in ME1.

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at. 

They've said a lot of things. Besides, they'd never admit that anyway, that'd ruin everything.

Oh, so they're liars now? Mind telling me what other things they've lied about?

When word of god dictates that something in their story is as it is. then that's it. They've said the narrative will end in ME3. And from what we've seen until now, that's exactly what it does.

I never get the chance to tell you this Estebanus, I like reading your post man.
Especially your view on bioware with superstitious awe.

[tangythang]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

tangythang wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again.

 


I had enough of your snide insinuation
*click*

Your quoting tree doesn't make any sense and isn't even a quote.

*click*
*wham* *squeeeee*

[dorktainian]

anyone else notice that actually refusal is the only end that doesnt give any indication of what happens next in slide show form?

[paxxton]

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. 

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at.

True, you basically support "buy our real ending now! only $20!"

I think he's getting at it being free.

Actually, I don't care either way. If you're going to complain about paying for seperate story, shouldn't you also be complaining buying ME1 didn't get you a complete, finished story. Because it didn't.

You don't understand the plot of a series, I think. Maybe I should complain that George RR Martin didn't release a single book at once? 

In a part of a series, each book has a beginning, a middle part, and an ending. ME1 had an ending to the game's main plot, which was to stop Saren from releasing the reapers on the galaxy. The series' main plot continued further on. In ME2, you finished the game's main plot again, which was to stop the collectors from abducting colonists. The series' mai plot continued on into ME3, where the game's main plot became aligned with the sereis' main plot, which is what it does in the final part of a story. 

Therefore, both ME1 and 2 are two full-fledged games on their own. Mass Effect requires the last part to be finished with the IT. This has not happened yet, as with the IT, the series' main plot (and the game's) have not been finished yet. Therefore, ME3 isn't finished.

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...

anyone else notice that actually refusal is the only end that doesnt give any indication of what happens next in slide show form?

There's no one left alive to make a speech about their hopes for the future.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. They have again and again said that ME3 will be the end of Shepard and the story arc they established in ME1.

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at. 

They've said a lot of things. Besides, they'd never admit that anyway, that'd ruin everything.

Oh, so they're liars now? Mind telling me what other things they've lied about?

When word of god dictates that something in their story is as it is. then that's it. They've said the narrative will end in ME3. And from what we've seen until now, that's exactly what it does.

Not liars, that not the term I'd use. More like, did they deny changing the ending before before announcing the Extended Cut? Yes.

Leviathan? Yes.

Omega? Yes.

ME3 Multiplayer? Yes.

Each DLC for MP individually? Yes.

Does every single other company do this? Yes.

And if they didn't introduce some mistakes with the EC that would have been it.
And for literal interpretation the mistakes didn't even change the ending one bit. It just diminishes the question if you did the right choice.

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 07 décembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[estebanus]

tangythang wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. They have again and again said that ME3 will be the end of Shepard and the story arc they established in ME1.

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at. 

They've said a lot of things. Besides, they'd never admit that anyway, that'd ruin everything.

Oh, so they're liars now? Mind telling me what other things they've lied about?

When word of god dictates that something in their story is as it is. then that's it. They've said the narrative will end in ME3. And from what we've seen until now, that's exactly what it does.

I never get the chance to tell you this Estebanus, I like reading your post man.
Especially your view on bioware with superstitious awe.

As far as I know IÄm not the one who believes that BioWare is full of renaissance men who are masters at writing stories. I also don't believe that they created a plot twist that would be the most epic one to have been done in a video game ever.

Now I ask you: who does believe that here? Me or you? Who really sees BioWare in awe?

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

anyone else notice that actually refusal is the only end that doesnt give any indication of what happens next in slide show form?

There is no one left to tell the tale.

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. They have again and again said that ME3 will be the end of Shepard and the story arc they established in ME1.

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at. 

They've said a lot of things. Besides, they'd never admit that anyway, that'd ruin everything.

Oh, so they're liars now? Mind telling me what other things they've lied about?

When word of god dictates that something in their story is as it is. then that's it. They've said the narrative will end in ME3. And from what we've seen until now, that's exactly what it does.

Not liars, that not the term I'd use. More like, did they deny changing the ending before before announcing the Extended Cut? Yes.

Leviathan? Yes.

Omega? Yes.

ME3 Multiplayer? Yes.

Each DLC for MP individually? Yes.

Does every single other company do this? Yes.

Exactly! Everybody does this in order to disclose spoilers! 

Plus, they never denied changing the ending. They said they weren't clear on what they would do until the'd gather more data.

[dorktainian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

[dorktainian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

 

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

"EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME."

This is from their main website.

Modifié par estebanus, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:02 .

[dorktainian]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about.

well we did take earth back..........to the stone age.

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

[estebanus]

dorktainian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about.

well we did take earth back..........to the stone age.

lol, yeah that's one way of putting it 

[Lokanaiya]

You mean people are still believing Bioware whenever they deny stuff?

Tell you what. Try and think of a single DLC or major feature they haven't denied. (That wasn't already a given. "Fighting with guns" doesn't count.) I'll wait.

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

Modifié par paxxton, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:04 .

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about.

well we did take earth back..........to the stone age.

At least we didn't use stones to do so

[estebanus]

Lokanaiya wrote...

You mean people are still believing Bioware whenever they deny stuff?

Tell you what. Try and think of a single DLC or major feature they haven't denied. (That wasn't already a given. "Fighting with guns" doesn't count.) I'll wait.

They haven't, and there aren't many game companies that don't lie about SP DLC. They do it to avoid spoilers. BioWare is certainly not unique in this. 

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

"EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME."

This is from their main website.

Why would you have seen it? They're still making DLC and there's still ME4 to come.

No, Mass Effect 3's main plot is about Shepard fighting indoctrination and taking Earth back. You obviously won't get that if you don't believe IT.

[dorktainian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

so you would wave the white flag then?  People are fighting and all of a sudden are going to be huskified without them having any say in the matter.  This is what star brat wants.  It is his solution.Why trust him?  Also you dont see what happens next.  You assume we lose. If thats the case I would hope for Capital ships ramming reapers as they approached, i would hope to see people fighting overwhelming odds but going down fighting as a free person.  I would hope that actually we would make them pay for the things they have done.  I admire the fact that actually even tho in the greater scheme of things refusal aint viable, bioware actually showed us that we do have a choice.  Under Star Brat and his cronies there is no choice.  Only the illusion of choice.

I still got for destroy ftw.....however refusal to accept star brats word still for me makes some sense.  You dont have to agree.  thats your right as a free person.  yep..free.