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[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

"EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME."

This is from their main website.

Why would you have seen it? They're still making DLC and there's still ME4 to come.

No, Mass Effect 3's main plot is about Shepard fighting indoctrination and taking Earth back. You obviously won't get that if you don't believe IT.

If so, then why haven't we taken Earth back yet? With IT, it's one of the main story plots, yes, but it's still not the main one. Belittling me and telling me that it's all "2deep4u" doesn't change that. The main one, as has been dictated by BioWare, is to stop the reapers and to end the war.

[BleedingUranium]

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

so you would wave the white flag then?  People are fighting and all of a sudden are going to be huskified without them having any say in the matter.  This is what star brat wants.  It is his solution.Why trust him?  Also you dont see what happens next.  You assume we lose. If thats the case I would hope for Capital ships ramming reapers as they approached, i would hope to see people fighting overwhelming odds but going down fighting as a free person.  I would hope that actually we would make them pay for the things they have done.  I admire the fact that actually even tho in the greater scheme of things refusal aint viable, bioware actually showed us that we do have a choice.  Under Star Brat and his cronies there is no choice.  Only the illusion of choice.

I still got for destroy ftw.....however refusal to accept star brats word still for me makes some sense.  You dont have to agree.  thats your right as a free person.  yep..free.

No, refuse is waving the white flag. Destroy is not the kid's option, it simply exists, he can't make it go away.

The choices are symbolic representations of Shepard's goal. Shepard's goal is to destroy the Reapers when he enters the room, that is something true to all Shepards and is beyond the player's control. Thus, destroy must be there.

[tangythang]

sigh, formating mistake again 

Modifié par tangythang, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:14 .

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

Because from what we know, the endings are literal! Also, that's what paxxton was referring to!

[tangythang]

tangythang wrote...

estebanus wrote...

tangythang wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...


Says you.

Says BioWare, time and again. They have again and again said that ME3 will be the end of Shepard and the story arc they established in ME1.

You even admit to the IT not ending the series' main plot, and that's what I'm getting at. 

They've said a lot of things. Besides, they'd never admit that anyway, that'd ruin everything.

Oh, so they're liars now? Mind telling me what other things they've lied about?

When word of god dictates that something in their story is as it is. then that's it. They've said the narrative will end in ME3. And from what we've seen until now, that's exactly what it does.

I never get the chance to tell you this Estebanus, I like reading your post man.
Especially your view on bioware with superstitious awe.

As far as I know IÄm not the one who believes that BioWare is full of renaissance men who are masters at writing stories. I also don't believe that they created a plot twist that would be the most epic one to have been done in a video game ever.

Now I ask you: who does believe that here? Me or you? Who really sees BioWare in awe?

We (if I may use we to represent) contributing to the IT actually means that we lost our faith in bioware, they suck so bad at the original ending, the fan felt the needs to do something so the series they love doesn't end as it was. Should bioware can't come up with a better plan, IT is here for bioware to take, on us!

As for IF it was intentional or not, those IFs was only emphasized as a gesture of goodwill that the fan are willing to still be a loyal fan to bioware even after these dissapointment. 

Modifié par tangythang, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

"EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME."

This is from their main website.

Why would you have seen it? They're still making DLC and there's still ME4 to come.

No, Mass Effect 3's main plot is about Shepard fighting indoctrination and taking Earth back. You obviously won't get that if you don't believe IT.

But yes, you do.

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

Because from what we know, the endings are literal! Also, that's what paxxton was referring to!

Why are you even here?

[estebanus]

tangythang wrote...


We (if I may use we to represent) contributing to the IT actually means that we lost our faith in bioware, they suck so bad at the original ending, the fan felt the needs to do something so the series they love doesn't end as it was. Should bioware can't come up with a better plan, IT is here for bioware to take, on us!

As for IF it was intentional or not, those IFs was only emphasized as a gesture of goodwill that the fan are willing to still be a loyal fan to bioware even after these dissapointment. 

Then that means tat the people in the "will the ITers through the towel" thread were right, or what? That you only believe in IT because you hate the endings? 

I refuse to believe that.

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

so you would wave the white flag then?  People are fighting and all of a sudden are going to be huskified without them having any say in the matter.  This is what star brat wants.  It is his solution.Why trust him?  Also you dont see what happens next.  You assume we lose. If thats the case I would hope for Capital ships ramming reapers as they approached, i would hope to see people fighting overwhelming odds but going down fighting as a free person.  I would hope that actually we would make them pay for the things they have done.  I admire the fact that actually even tho in the greater scheme of things refusal aint viable, bioware actually showed us that we do have a choice.  Under Star Brat and his cronies there is no choice.  Only the illusion of choice.

I still got for destroy ftw.....however refusal to accept star brats word still for me makes some sense.  You dont have to agree.  thats your right as a free person.  yep..free.

Yes it sounds nice on paper but the reality is:
A huge amount gets indoctrinated and repurposed and in the end everyone dies.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

Because that's what the datapad says xD

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

"EXPERIENCE THE BEGINNING, MIDDLE, AND END OF AN EMOTIONAL STORY UNLIKE ANY OTHER, WHERE THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE COMPLETELY SHAPE YOUR EXPERIENCE AND OUTCOME."

This is from their main website.

Why would you have seen it? They're still making DLC and there's still ME4 to come.

No, Mass Effect 3's main plot is about Shepard fighting indoctrination and taking Earth back. You obviously won't get that if you don't believe IT.

But yes, you do.

Yes, don't you feel satisfied and full of accomplishment? :7

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:18 .

[estebanus]

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

Because from what we know, the endings are literal! Also, that's what paxxton was referring to!

Why are you even here?

Oh, I'm sorry. I always thought that people on here were so open to people challenging their views. Was I wrong with that?
This is not a support thread. it's a discussion thread. If you can't take discussing with other people, that's your problem. 

[dorktainian]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

so you would wave the white flag then?  People are fighting and all of a sudden are going to be huskified without them having any say in the matter.  This is what star brat wants.  It is his solution.Why trust him?  Also you dont see what happens next.  You assume we lose. If thats the case I would hope for Capital ships ramming reapers as they approached, i would hope to see people fighting overwhelming odds but going down fighting as a free person.  I would hope that actually we would make them pay for the things they have done.  I admire the fact that actually even tho in the greater scheme of things refusal aint viable, bioware actually showed us that we do have a choice.  Under Star Brat and his cronies there is no choice.  Only the illusion of choice.

I still got for destroy ftw.....however refusal to accept star brats word still for me makes some sense.  You dont have to agree.  thats your right as a free person.  yep..free.

No, refuse is waving the white flag. Destroy is not the kid's option, it simply exists, he can't make it go away.

The choices are symbolic representations of Shepard's goal. Shepard's goal is to destroy the Reapers when he enters the room, that is something true to all Shepards and is beyond the player's control. Thus, destroy must be there.

yeah shep wants to destroy the reapers and indeed i do agree that destroy is the best option, but so is being able to make the choice yourself without the guidance of a member of the opposing faction.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

wow top again!!


just watched the refusal ending again....omg how good is that as far as retaining our free will is concerned? faunts still plays. however watching it gave me an immense amount of pride that shep could see past the star brats lies.

But not acting still results in this cycle getting harvested. This is why it's called opt out instead of refuse by the devs.

but wouldnt you then see this happening?  Everything else no matter how lame or baffling still gets closure/slide shows.  If the reapers win then let us die with honor and show us what happens......but they dont.  Sheps arguments hold true.  (and no this does not discount IT) better to die a free man than a slave.  This could then tie up with Crucible DLC where we get to rescue shep?  Just a thought!

Yes I would indeed enjoy the sights of humans on their knees. No seriously, Sheps inaction results in the death or melt down of basically eveyone while a good number of them, expect a few trillion, will indeed be slaves and cannot change one bit. So much for Sheps freedom.

so you would wave the white flag then?  People are fighting and all of a sudden are going to be huskified without them having any say in the matter.  This is what star brat wants.  It is his solution.Why trust him?  Also you dont see what happens next.  You assume we lose. If thats the case I would hope for Capital ships ramming reapers as they approached, i would hope to see people fighting overwhelming odds but going down fighting as a free person.  I would hope that actually we would make them pay for the things they have done.  I admire the fact that actually even tho in the greater scheme of things refusal aint viable, bioware actually showed us that we do have a choice.  Under Star Brat and his cronies there is no choice.  Only the illusion of choice.

I still got for destroy ftw.....however refusal to accept star brats word still for me makes some sense.  You dont have to agree.  thats your right as a free person.  yep..free.

No, refuse is waving the white flag. Destroy is not the kid's option, it simply exists, he can't make it go away.

The choices are symbolic representations of Shepard's goal. Shepard's goal is to destroy the Reapers when he enters the room, that is something true to all Shepards and is beyond the player's control. Thus, destroy must be there.

True but the facts disagree. Shepard saving the Collector base is still only able to choose control.

[dorktainian]

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Modifié par dorktainian, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[estebanus]

 You guys seen this twitter post yet?

[dorktainian]

estebanus wrote...

 You guys seen this twitter post yet?

yep.  interesting.

[MaximizedAction]

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Now that would make for a great quote-impression:
"That's not a space-station...it's a Reaper!"

[RavenEyry]

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

I think it would have made a move by now if so.

[estebanus]

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

...Then the galaxy is ultimately screwed. They already can't withstand the current reaper fleet. What hope do they have of stopping one bigger than 15 km?

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Assuming IT, yes.

[dorktainian]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

I think it would have made a move by now if so.

it did..... to earth

[Restrider]

I have been thinking about what I have posted yesterday. I'll shortly recap it:

If the garden world, where the Normandy crash-lands on, is the same world the stargazer scene takes place, then these two events have to play out in the same level of reality/non-reality.

If that is the case, the crash scene and stargazer scene are either both real or both hallucinatory.
I go for the latter and thus the whole discussion of using the Crucible having different effects to not using it is moot, since it is something outside of reality.
You could now question how the breath scene can make any sense in this, since it plays out between the crash scene and the stargazer scene. A way to explain that could be that you dip out of the dream and dip in again. Much like during the beginning of ME2, where you shortly wake up seeing Miranda's face and are getting sedated again.
In any way, I have come to my personal conclusion that the stargazer scene is also hallucinatory or that everything after the choices is real.
Of course the stargazer scene could also be something outside of the narrative (Blur's take on it, afaik), but in no way can the stargazer scene be literal with everything before that being non-literal, it just does not fit in my view.