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[KyreneZA]

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

[hukbum]

RavenEyry wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

If I recall, the red poppy flowers from Leviathan are featured heavily on the Citadel, including Udina's office.

I keep haring mention of those poppies, where they added to the main citadel hub map with leviathan or do they just appear in the DLC missions?

I've done a little research on them, because of the datapad in Leviathan (something about not so harmless office flowers). IRL they are quite popular but also really not harmless (they are poisonous). But nothing about hallucinogen or something similar where mentioned.
So I think it's an easteregg of some sort and they are everywhere because of gaming resources. But I'm not that good in biology and even less when it comes to flora, so I might be wrong.

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Liara is a species of butterflies goshdamit.

[BatmanTurian]

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

[estebanus]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Liara is a species of butterflies goshdamit.

Which is why Benezia calls her "little wing."

[masster blaster]

Facepalm. I am going to go. I have enough of this pointless arguing. No matter what we say to eachother we either disagree or agree. So I am out.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Yes they are clearly horning and stomping around in that scene. How could I have missed that so far? :C

[dorktainian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Liara is a species of butterflies goshdamit.

and it also has liar in it.

[Restrider]

hukbum wrote...

I've done a little research on them, because of the datapad in Leviathan (something about not so harmless office flowers). IRL they are quite popular but also really not harmless (they are poisonous). But nothing about hallucinogen or something similar where mentioned.
So I think it's an easteregg of some sort and they are everywhere because of gaming resources. But I'm not that good in biology and even less when it comes to flora, so I might be wrong.

I've heard that it may have something to do with the Aeia's flora (the planet of Jacob's LM). You know - the plants that decrease mental capacities. I am not sure if this has any support - I've just heard it somewhere.

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

I have been thinking about what I have posted yesterday. I'll shortly recap it:

If the garden world, where the Normandy crash-lands on, is the same world the stargazer scene takes place, then these two events have to play out in the same level of reality/non-reality.

If that is the case, the crash scene and stargazer scene are either both real or both hallucinatory.
I go for the latter and thus the whole discussion of using the Crucible having different effects to not using it is moot, since it is something outside of reality.
You could now question how the breath scene can make any sense in this, since it plays out between the crash scene and the stargazer scene. A way to explain that could be that you dip out of the dream and dip in again. Much like during the beginning of ME2, where you shortly wake up seeing Miranda's face and are getting sedated again.
In any way, I have come to my personal conclusion that the stargazer scene is also hallucinatory or that everything after the choices is real.
Of course the stargazer scene could also be something outside of the narrative (Blur's take on it, afaik), but in no way can the stargazer scene be literal with everything before that being non-literal, it just does not fit in my view.

Thank you for writing basically my point, with a few minor alterations.

[estebanus]

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When both sides stop thinking they're so superior than the other. 

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Assuming IT, yes.

Even in the literal ending, Shepard wakes up in London. To say otherwise is madness. There is no force field on the Citadel to out of the blue protect Shepard from the blast and even if there were, why would everything contained within it be crushed into rubble? This is just common sense.

[Restrider]

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

I have found something interesting - at least in my view. Just check out the post above your post. Maybe we can start a discussion without bickering and nitpicking.

[MegumiAzusa]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Really? I could say the same about you. Wasting resources on a war you cannot win.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Liara is a species of butterflies goshdamit.

Which is why Benezia calls her "little wing."

Correct.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Yes they are clearly horning and stomping around in that scene. How could I have missed that so far? :C

I heard Reapers. That was my very first thought: Shepard is in London and the Reapers are wandering around shooting lasers and destroying the city, possibly because they don't need it anymore.

The only thing I didn't quite understand was how it was possible. Hence I searched the Internet and found IT.

Modifié par paxxton, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[MegumiAzusa]

dorktainian wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

what if the citadel itself is a reaper? The Ultimate Reaper?

Also Liara has liar in it.  

Liara is a species of butterflies goshdamit.

and it also has liar in it.

Nice troll, still not funny 9/11

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

I have been thinking about what I have posted yesterday. I'll shortly recap it:

If the garden world, where the Normandy crash-lands on, is the same world the stargazer scene takes place, then these two events have to play out in the same level of reality/non-reality.

If that is the case, the crash scene and stargazer scene are either both real or both hallucinatory.
I go for the latter and thus the whole discussion of using the Crucible having different effects to not using it is moot, since it is something outside of reality.
You could now question how the breath scene can make any sense in this, since it plays out between the crash scene and the stargazer scene. A way to explain that could be that you dip out of the dream and dip in again. Much like during the beginning of ME2, where you shortly wake up seeing Miranda's face and are getting sedated again.
In any way, I have come to my personal conclusion that the stargazer scene is also hallucinatory or that everything after the choices is real.
Of course the stargazer scene could also be something outside of the narrative (Blur's take on it, afaik), but in no way can the stargazer scene be literal with everything before that being non-literal, it just does not fit in my view.

Thank you for writing basically my point, with a few minor alterations.

You're welcome.
If I did not intervene, it would've maybe taken another 1000 pages of pointless, passive-aggressive posts until your point would've been understood by others.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Assuming IT, yes.

Even in the literal ending, Shepard wakes up in London. To say otherwise is madness. There is no force field on the Citadel to out of the blue protect Shepard from the blast and even if there were, why would everything contained within it be crushed into rubble? This is just common sense.

Shepard shouldn't even be alive. It makes no sense. That's established, and it's a good point for the IT. However, BioWare also made it possible for people to come back from the dead, which is totally illogical.

Consider this, though: Why are there no sounds of battle? If it were back on London, you should be able to hear soldiers running around, and reapers blasting through sh*t. Instead, you hear the groaning of a structure and that's prety much it.

Modifié par estebanus, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[tangythang]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

Only in literal, why are you bringing that up?

Because from what we know, the endings are literal! Also, that's what paxxton was referring to!

You want. Here's literal alternative with hard science fiction.

The reason that shepard awake in the end of destroy ending with high EMS is due to a few factor:
1. The starchild, be it reaper-in-disguise or honest-catalyst-boy are letting Shepard makes all the choices FREELY due to an unquantifiable probability that will result in an explosion of that size, similar to the geth letting quarian leaves. All it does is to provide an estimation as to what will happen for each possible solution.

2. The reason those explosion are colored either Red, Green, or Blue are the result of the law of physics called the doppler effect, that is what happen when waves of light are contracted or compressed with relation to the observer. In other word, the effect of the crucible can be manipulated by tuning the energy wave (dark energy from manipulation of eezo, that is given from the codex/god) either by lowering its frequency to destroy (red), keep it as its intended (green) or increasing it to control (hence, blue)

*note: redshift blueshift is what you saw in loading screen. 

3. All choices resulted in a generation of energy so great, the space itself starts to boil. Keep in mind, this is reaper tech Shepard's using, a tier IV civilization according to kardashev scale (us human are Tier II in this case, left behind by billions of years). starchild-thingy dissapears immediately, not a single frak given.

4. Space-time start to distort, enabling shepard to see a vision ahead into the future resulting from the choice he made, a moment before he's evaporated (control), or disseminated (synthesis).

But in the destroy ending with high EMS, he gasp for air as he realize it's not that fun to end this way (loading the game and play again, for literal fun )

5.the refusal ending is as it was, Shepard chickens out in the end.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Assuming IT, yes.

Even in the literal ending, Shepard wakes up in London. To say otherwise is madness. There is no force field on the Citadel to out of the blue protect Shepard from the blast and even if there were, why would everything contained within it be crushed into rubble? This is just common sense.

Hull breaches and exploding consoles while shields are holding in many SF series want to disagree with this assessment. Should I tell them to get in line?

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:56 .

[paxxton]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Assuming IT, yes.

Even in the literal ending, Shepard wakes up in London. To say otherwise is madness. There is no force field on the Citadel to out of the blue protect Shepard from the blast and even if there were, why would everything contained within it be crushed into rubble? This is just common sense.

Shepard shouldn't even be alive. It makes no sense. That's established, and it's a good point for the IT.

Indoctrination happens in the Literal Ending. This is a fact and I have just proven it irrefutably!!!

[Restrider]

Please, free the slaves and look for a form of sepulcher other then pyramids.
Thanks in advance.
Also: top

Modifié par Restrider, 07 décembre 2012 - 02:46 .

[dorktainian]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Yes they are clearly horning and stomping around in that scene. How could I have missed that so far? :C

I heard Reapers. That was my very first thought: Shepard is in London and the Reapers are wandering around shooting lasers and destroying the city, possibly because they don't need it anymore.

yep.  beam in the background, concrete structures (on the citadel?.....err....nope) suspicious object rho looking reaper artifacts as you pan across screen, the sound of the beam, and the fact that after shep is hit at the base of the beam everything goes to lalaland - including a gun with infinite bullets.  Wake up neo.