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[dorktainian]

i find it interesting that Bioware have not dismissed IT in any way shape or form, but have in some ways acknowledged that it could indeed be true.

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Axe grinding doesn't help.  And I've seen you (and other 'core' ITers) be just as disruptive to this thread.

[/speaking mostly as an observer here]

Antagonistic (the English fails me here) interrogation of IT beliefs is good for IT IMO. Too much of what people believe about IT is not based on IT 'facts' (evidence), but on hearsay or their own clouded theories.

And look, now it seems I'm fighting too.  Is it something in the water?

I've only responded to hostility. This is actually something I rarely do. Your view of me is skewed.

Hostility from everyone else but ITers, I suppose.

[RavenEyry]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

I'm not pretending anything. I just see two people making arguments in a less civil way than is needed sometimes. Getting overly emotional about it won't make changing yourself any easier if you can't look in a mirror.

I could say the same about many ITers who say that everyone else but them is a weak-minded idiot, that they're blind to the truth, that it's too deep for them and several other things. 

Oh boy. Arguing about arguing.

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

I'm not pretending anything. I just see two people making arguments in a less civil way than is needed sometimes. Getting overly emotional about it won't make changing yourself any easier if you can't look in a mirror.

I could say the same about many ITers who say that everyone else but them is a weak-minded idiot, that they're blind to the truth, that it's too deep for them and several other things. 

Sometimes that is actually true for some people. Seboist and Maxster come to mind. I never included you in those ranks. You just need to calm yourself and debate with a civil tone. I'm fine with your skepticism. It's the way you present it that I find flawed.

[tangythang]

Lokanaiya wrote...
did you know that the drug opium (highly addictive, calms you down a lot) also comes from poppies? Poppies which are also red? I'm on my phone now so I can't go too much into detail, but basically opium addiction in the late 1800s is what changed China from a great superpower that ruled a lot of the East and heavily influenced what it didn't rule to a weak nation easily conquered by the English.

Not that late really, this poppies-china superpower is new to me,
and that's a neat exposition you got there.

Kyrene wrote...

Viable alternative... must congratulate... though *nasal intake of breath* not IT, Shepard!

sorry m-mordin?

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Axe grinding doesn't help.  And I've seen you (and other 'core' ITers) be just as disruptive to this thread.

[/speaking mostly as an observer here]

Antagonistic (the English fails me here) interrogation of IT beliefs is good for IT IMO. Too much of what people believe about IT is not based on IT 'facts' (evidence), but on hearsay or their own clouded theories.

And look, now it seems I'm fighting too.  Is it something in the water?

I've only responded to hostility. This is actually something I rarely do. Your view of me is skewed.

Hostility from everyone else but ITers, I suppose.

Well, when everyone who isn't an ITer is calling me a delusional idiot, one tends to find that hostile.

[Humakt83]

VS is holding Carnifex (interesting choice) while Shepard is holding Predator.

What gun is Udina holding?

http://www.youtube.c...oIlNzY5Q#t=151s

Phalanx?

Modifié par Humakt83, 07 décembre 2012 - 03:07 .

[Restrider]

Paxxton, you win the prize for the highest pyramid...

[BatmanTurian]

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

I'm not pretending anything. I just see two people making arguments in a less civil way than is needed sometimes. Getting overly emotional about it won't make changing yourself any easier if you can't look in a mirror.

I could say the same about many ITers who say that everyone else but them is a weak-minded idiot, that they're blind to the truth, that it's too deep for them and several other things. 

Oh boy. Arguing about arguing.

I'm just trying to bring some calm to this thread because it's been on fire the last two days. I think we either have some miscommunication or there is some genuine hostility or a little of both. We can't move forward unless that is reconciled.

[dorktainian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

I only heard BioWare saying ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, not the whole Reaper turmoil.

Right, it was always "The end of Shepard's story" and "Take Earth back".

I haven't seen that happening with the IT. 

Shepard's story and goal is aligned with that of the main plot, which is to stop the reapers. That's always been the protagonists story and goal in fiction: To defeat the bad guys. That's what stopping the reapers is about. 

From word of god themselves: "award-winning series, Mass Effect 3 offers a unique opening narrative to immerse you in the storyline and characters, quickly and easily preparing you for the beginning, middle, and end of a galactic war for survival." 

This is from their main website.

There are 2 possivilities:
1. Shepard has failed.
2. IT and BioWare simply repeats their PR line from before the game's release to not give away the Secret (pun intended).

But Shepard hasn't failed! S/he stopped the reaper menace in each ending!

No, he didn't. The Breath Scene is a peek into the real world and the Reapers are still around.

Yes they are clearly horning and stomping around in that scene. How could I have missed that so far? :C

I heard Reapers. That was my very first thought: Shepard is in London and the Reapers are wandering around shooting lasers and destroying the city, possibly because they don't need it anymore.

yep.  beam in the background, concrete structures (on the citadel?.....err....nope) suspicious object rho looking reaper artifacts as you pan across screen, the sound of the beam, and the fact that after shep is hit at the base of the beam everything goes to lalaland - including a gun with infinite bullets.  Wake up neo.  

Beam in the background? Where? Please show me something to indicate this.
Concrete: as evidenced it has the same textures used for stuff on the Citadel and Earth, you cannot say it's on Earth because of that.
Reaper stuff: I would expect that under the shell of the Citadel, wouldn't you?
The sound: sounds like metal or metallike stuff under stress for me.
infinite ammo: without the three husketeers and marauder shields would be even more depressing for console players.

Judging by the size of the explosion on the citadel when shep triggers destroy, there is no way at all any of him would remain after a blast that size.  only way he could have survived that blast is if he was still in london.

[paxxton]

Restrider wrote...

Paxxton, you win the prize for the highest pyramid...

Thanks.  I missed building them.

[BleedingUranium]

Humakt83 wrote...

VS is holding Carnifex (interesting choice) while Shepard is holding Predator.

What gun is Udina holding?

http://www.youtube.c...oIlNzY5Q#t=151s

Phalanx?

Yep. I'm not sure if the Phalanx has any meaning, but the Predator has always been the fighting-indoctination gun.

[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
infinite ammo: without the three husketeers and marauder shields would be even more depressing for console players.

While I partially agree on the other points I haven't quoted here, I have to ask you his:
We already had infinite ammo at the beginning of the game, but we could see Shepard reloading with clips. Why not use the same mechanic in the post-beam part?

[hukbum]

Restrider wrote...

Paxxton, you win the prize for the highest pyramid...

Now you made it a challange ... and people love challanges.

[N7L4D]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

Oh boy! When is the fighting in the IT thread gonna stop. Finding good information here is like finding a pinch of gold in a dungheap most days.

When Estebanus and Megumi decide to stop acting like interrogators instead of discussing things from a nuetral perspective.

Really? I could say the same about you. Wasting resources on a war you cannot win.

IllusiveAzusa!

[estebanus]

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

I'm not pretending anything. I just see two people making arguments in a less civil way than is needed sometimes. Getting overly emotional about it won't make changing yourself any easier if you can't look in a mirror.

I could say the same about many ITers who say that everyone else but them is a weak-minded idiot, that they're blind to the truth, that it's too deep for them and several other things. 

Oh boy. Arguing about arguing.

I'm just trying to bring some calm to this thread because it's been on fire the last two days. I think we either have some miscommunication or there is some genuine hostility or a little of both. We can't move forward unless that is reconciled.

Fine. Truce?

[BatmanTurian]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
infinite ammo: without the three husketeers and marauder shields would be even more depressing for console players.

While I partially agree on the other points I haven't quoted here, I have to ask you his:
We already had infinite ammo at the beginning of the game, but we could see Shepard reloading with clips. Why not use the same mechanic in the post-beam part?

 I personally find the infinite ammo to be a flawed argument, but as we always say, we each have our own interpretations.

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

Mhm, out of curiosity:
Since estabanus and Megumi challange the current state of IT, I am genuinely curious to know what your takes on the endings are?
Everything literal? Waking Nightmare? Deception Theory? Bad Writing? Something completely different?
I always see you trying to deconstruct the IT (this is not meant to be offensive or judgemental btw!), but in contrast to Heretic_Hanar, who has often stated that he thinks Bad Writing is what happened, I am not so sure what you think...

Pre EC: everything is fine.
Post: BW made some serious mistakes to hold up IT. In my opinion low EMS destroy completely denies the possibility of Shep never reaching the Citadel/opening the arms because of first Sheps death, then Hackett speech.
Maybe the last thing with the Guardian is an illusion, Shep still opened the arms and the Crucible docked. And because if you refuse nothing happens means at least something is real of that choice. It doesn't matter if in the real world Shep never shoots the stuff but pushes a button, what matters is that the choice itself is real and has real consequences to the state of the crucible. I dunno if it is closest to WNT because there are some points there I disagree on, which is why I say "We find a new solution"

[BatmanTurian]

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Yeah, you're all poor victims of our cruel injustice. It's everything just too deep for me and Megumi to understand it all.

Stop acting like you're the victim. Both sides are equally guilty.

I'm not pretending anything. I just see two people making arguments in a less civil way than is needed sometimes. Getting overly emotional about it won't make changing yourself any easier if you can't look in a mirror.

I could say the same about many ITers who say that everyone else but them is a weak-minded idiot, that they're blind to the truth, that it's too deep for them and several other things. 

Oh boy. Arguing about arguing.

I'm just trying to bring some calm to this thread because it's been on fire the last two days. I think we either have some miscommunication or there is some genuine hostility or a little of both. We can't move forward unless that is reconciled.

Fine. Truce?

Of course! I want to get along with you two.

[Humakt83]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

VS is holding Carnifex (interesting choice) while Shepard is holding Predator.

What gun is Udina holding?

http://www.youtube.c...oIlNzY5Q#t=151s

Phalanx?

Yep. I'm not sure if the Phalanx has any meaning, but the Predator has always been the fighting-indoctination gun.

And yet another gun: Paladin wielded by Bailey.

[KyreneZA]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've only responded to hostility. This is actually something I rarely do. Your view of me is skewed.

If you say so. I cannot judge the truth of your assertation.

[BatmanTurian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Mhm, out of curiosity:
Since estabanus and Megumi challange the current state of IT, I am genuinely curious to know what your takes on the endings are?
Everything literal? Waking Nightmare? Deception Theory? Bad Writing? Something completely different?
I always see you trying to deconstruct the IT (this is not meant to be offensive or judgemental btw!), but in contrast to Heretic_Hanar, who has often stated that he thinks Bad Writing is what happened, I am not so sure what you think...

Pre EC: everything is fine.
Post: BW made some serious mistakes to hold up IT. In my opinion low EMS destroy completely denies the possibility of Shep never reaching the Citadel/opening the arms because of first Sheps death, then Hackett speech.
Maybe the last thing with the Guardian is an illusion, Shep still opened the arms and the Crucible docked. And because if you refuse nothing happens means at least something is real of that choice. It doesn't matter if in the real world Shep never shoots the stuff but pushes a button, what matters is that the choice itself is real and has real consequences to the state of the crucible. I dunno if it is closest to WNT because there are some points there I disagree on, which is why I say "We find a new solution"

And that's fine. Maybe the theory needs tweaked. It is getting a little dusty.

[TSA_383]

Any more news about on the Citadel DLC?

[BatmanTurian]

Kyrene wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've only responded to hostility. This is actually something I rarely do. Your view of me is skewed.

If you say so. I cannot judge the truth of your assertation.

Alright, then.

[Restrider]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
infinite ammo: without the three husketeers and marauder shields would be even more depressing for console players.

While I partially agree on the other points I haven't quoted here, I have to ask you his:
We already had infinite ammo at the beginning of the game, but we could see Shepard reloading with clips. Why not use the same mechanic in the post-beam part?

 I personally find the infinite ammo to be a flawed argument, but as we always say, we each have our own interpretations.

I also do not really take it as something very supportive, but I just wonder why they did not use the same mechanic.