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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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D.Sharrah wrote...

What's up all...been awile since I was here...doesn't look like that there is much new speculation going on...to kill sometime, I decided to start playing KoToR again - I recommend it to everyone!

A big secret is revealed in leviathan.

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RavenEyry wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

What's up all...been awile since I was here...doesn't look like that there is much new speculation going on...to kill sometime, I decided to start playing KoToR again - I recommend it to everyone!

A big secret is revealed in leviathan.


Oh please, who didn't already figure out that Ashley is a hermaphrodite?

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Rifneno wrote...

Oh please, who didn't already figure out that Ashley is a hermaphrodite?

The drag queen makeup gave her away.

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Andromidius wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

My girlfriend has just looked at the screen, and said "Two and a half thousand pages? What is WRONG with you people?!"


There are so many responces to those sorts of remarks...


listen to yourself hon...you're...indoctrinated

what???

Well IT is right. If you don't believe me I suggest you play ME trilogy. I'll do what ever you want if in the end you think Shepard isn't being indoctrinated

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I still don't believe that ending is anything other than an illusion, just that it seemed a wasted opportunity to break the fourth wall and actually get the player to believe in the reapers.

"Your memories give voice to our words, accept this!"

The fact that as soon as you come around, Harbinger leaves and the orders change. Once your on the Citadel and talk to Anderson your immediately reminded of the collector base with the bodies. It's like;

'Hey this place looks like the same place the collectors came from, you know, when you went to their home base and destroyed them'. Then Shepard immediately says that this doesn't look like any part of the Citadel he's visited. *raises eyebrow*

Then parts of the shadowbroker ship, the ramp to the Illusive Man's office and shape of the office itself were dead knockoffs. Traffic in the background being as if nothing was going on. The decision chamber including the tube from ME2, once again being plucked from Shepard's memory, and star brat. It all adds up...

The fact that 2/3 endings the Reapers are still knocking about like the trolls they are really says it all. The IT explains it all, just if BioWare will ever address it.

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Lakeshow1986 wrote...

I still don't believe that ending is anything other than an illusion, just that it seemed a wasted opportunity to break the fourth wall and actually get the player to believe in the reapers.

"Your memories give voice to our words, accept this!"

The fact that as soon as you come around, Harbinger leaves and the orders change. Once your on the Citadel and talk to Anderson your immediately reminded of the collector base with the bodies. It's like;

'Hey this place looks like the same place the collectors came from, you know, when you went to their home base and destroyed them'. Then Shepard immediately says that this doesn't look like any part of the Citadel he's visited. *raises eyebrow*

Then parts of the shadowbroker ship, the ramp to the Illusive Man's office and shape of the office itself were dead knockoffs. Traffic in the background being as if nothing was going on. The decision chamber including the tube from ME2, once again being plucked from Shepard's memory, and star brat. It all adds up...

The fact that 2/3 endings the Reapers are still knocking about like the trolls they are really says it all. The IT explains it all, just if BioWare will ever address it.


Precisely.

Everything else is mere minor detail.  The core of it is exactly as you said.  IT is merely an explaination for what we see happen.

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What's new?

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estebanus wrote...

ME3 would easily have won the GOTY had an IT DLC been released. It would've made most sense to confirm it right before the VGAs if they hadn't done it before.

Why would Bioware, who rode the storm for this long, blow the reveal just to get an award? In game and at the end of the dlc cycle makes the most sense.

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D.Sharrah wrote...

What's up all...been awile since I was here...doesn't look like that there is much new speculation going on...to kill sometime, I decided to start playing KoToR again - I recommend it to everyone!

The Walking Dead got the GOTY instead of ME3. This is an outrage! //Udina

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paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

What's up all...been awile since I was here...doesn't look like that there is much new speculation going on...to kill sometime, I decided to start playing KoToR again - I recommend it to everyone!

The Walking Dead got the GOTY instead of ME3. This is an outrage! //Udina


I'm sure its not bad.  But its barely a game.

Honestly I think some indie titles deserved some recognition.  But they never do, because they aren't popular or high budget enough to get media attention.  Which goes to show how much of a sham it all is.

FTL was an amazing game.  No media coverage outside of a few people on Youtube.  Its criminal.

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paxxton wrote...

Sup? Has IT been confirmed?


The more people denied IT, the more we believed IT was true. As time went on anyways. Back in April we were still gathering evidence.

The Walking Dead got the GOTY instead of ME3. This is an outrage! //Udina


Mass Effect 3 will always be my personal game of the year.

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magnetite wrote...

The more people denied IT, the more we believed IT was true. As time went on anyways. Back in April we were still gathering evidence.


It took me three months to calm down enough to think rationally.

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Andromidius wrote...
FTL was an amazing game.  No media coverage outside of a few people on Youtube.  Its criminal.

I noticed it wasn't mentioned in any of the categories. I don't think it's the best game ever but it was fun and fresh.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Andromidius wrote...
FTL was an amazing game.  No media coverage outside of a few people on Youtube.  Its criminal.

I noticed it wasn't mentioned in any of the categories. I don't think it's the best game ever but it was fun and fresh.


Far from perfect.  But there needs to be an indie category in every awards show, and FTL would be up there.

Hope they make a sequel.

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Andromidius wrote...

magnetite wrote...

The more people denied IT, the more we believed IT was true. As time went on anyways. Back in April we were still gathering evidence.


It took me three months to calm down enough to think rationally.


I wonder how long it'll take... them. <motions to BSN outside of thread>

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Rifneno wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

magnetite wrote...

The more people denied IT, the more we believed IT was true. As time went on anyways. Back in April we were still gathering evidence.


It took me three months to calm down enough to think rationally.


I wonder how long it'll take... them. <motions to BSN outside of thread>


Never. God forbid what would happen if IT were to be confirmed...they would probably all die or something

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"It was like a thousand flamers cried out at once and then were silenced..."

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Soon Bioware will announce that they are releasing not one, but two expansion packs for ME3, other embracing the literal interpretation and the other adressing indoctrination. Fans are able to choose the fitting end for their story. All gaming world cheers for bio and their bold approach and love for their fans.

Then I woke up.

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I think most of the casual fans would like additional content that fixes the ending. I think many hardcore fans would like additional content that fixes the ending. There's a big difference between hating the concept of IT, and hating IT because you think Bioware screwed up bad and IT is giving credit where it is not due. I don't know if there would be a lot of backlash, even if paid, for moar Mass Effect 3 content that directly addresses the ending

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Never. God forbid what would happen if IT were to be confirmed...they would probably all die or something


Hate to say it, you may be right. Bioware has not only indoctrinated Shepard (based on your choice), but the players as well. I've never known anyone to pull off such a masterful feat. These guys are Gods of storytelling, at least for me.

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KneeTheCap wrote...

Soon Bioware will announce that they are releasing not one, but two expansion packs for ME3, other embracing the literal interpretation and the other adressing indoctrination. Fans are able to choose the fitting end for their story. All gaming world cheers for bio and their bold approach and love for their fans.

Then I woke up.


Lol. Literal got a slide show.

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I know everyone has their favorite, but to me ME3 + IT reveal will be GOAT. No game has ever reached out of the screen like this.

Btw, synthesis Shepard should get a screen with just him and a gun. Paragon and Renegade interrupts simultaneously appear. Both options do the same exact thing.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I know everyone has their favorite, but to me ME3 + IT reveal will be GOAT. No game has ever reached out of the screen like this.

Btw, synthesis Shepard should get a screen with just him and a gun. Paragon and Renegade interrupts simultaneously appear. Both options do the same exact thing.


I assume GOAT is Game of All Time, right?  If that's so, then I agree 100%.=]

Ignore the smilely, I'm on my phone and can't remove it.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Never. God forbid what would happen if IT were to be confirmed...they would probably all die or something

They've got us fighting eachother instead of fighting them. You've done exactly what the reapers wanted. You're still doing it because they control you. You're stronger. Don't let them win. Break their hold. Don't let them control you...

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Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I know everyone has their favorite, but to me ME3 + IT reveal will be GOAT. No game has ever reached out of the screen like this.

Btw, synthesis Shepard should get a screen with just him and a gun. Paragon and Renegade interrupts simultaneously appear. Both options do the same exact thing.


I assume GOAT is Game of All Time, right?  If that's so, then I agree 100%.=]

Ignore the smilely, I'm on my phone and can't remove it.


Yep.

I would like closure, but I also would like to see Bioware break their players indoctrination. Give them a chance at redemption.