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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Rifneno

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byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


"Xen: Are you sleeping with him, Tali? Did someone get her induction filter popped on Pilgrimage? Or are you just stupid?"

...  Mother of God.  The epic...

I hope it gets included to.  I've been wanting to reach over and snap space morrigan's neck for years.  Especially after she invented the arc pistol.  What a piece of trash.  Any chance I can feed Gerrel to a thresher maw while we're at it?

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byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


I hope so, purely so I can hear Tali say this:

Xen: Tali'Zorah... what would your father say?
Tali: He'd say, "Good work. That bosh'tet was crazy."

However I doubt it, doesn't sound like from either the leaked script or the info BW have given us that the Geth are invovled in any way. It is possible though, BW have said that the DLC canonically takes place about half way through the story, so that would put it within the Geth/Quarian war arc.

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CoolioThane wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Uh... no I do remember Heretic_Hanar quite well and Coolio's quite justified in his hostility here...:?


Thabk you Arian. I'm glad people haven't forgotten how much of a dick he is. 


I love you too Coolio. <3

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FFZero wrote...

byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


I hope so, purely so I can here Tali say this:

Xen: Tali'Zorah... what would your father say?
Tali: He'd say, "Good work. That bosh'tet was crazy."

However I doubt it, doesn't sound like from either the leaked script or the info BW have given us that the Geth are invovled in any way. It is possible though, BW have said that the DLC canonically takes place about half way through the story, so that would put it within the Geth/Quarian war arc.


Whaaa? Link please!
Mike Gamble tweeted that it will be unlocked near the beginning of the game.

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munnellyladt wrote...

byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


What?

Do we get to go to these new area's of the citedel anytime we want?


Theres a Tweet from Mark Gamble (is that his name?) that says we will be able to go to the new areas anytime. Hopefully we'll have something more reminiscent of ME1. I liked how much there was to explore in ME1's Citadel. 
ME3 needs more hub areas period. We need Illium and Omega. 

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MaximizedAction wrote...

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The hints in KotoR weren't really hidden though, you being Revan was pretty obvious.
You were told right in the face you experienced things before etc, in indoctrination the only things that come to my mind that would be good to display in flashbacks are scenes that are really weird. Something like the voices at the beginning when you're semi unconscious maybe, and only with commentary of what you should have noticed.


Hey, the 16 year old me back then, who had never ever played an RPG before, got his mind blown to smitherins back then, at 4am in the morning, when he saw that mask come off. So, what's obvious is in the eyes of the beholder. ;)

But yeah, I agree with comments about the being unconcious, retrospective in-game analysis with Chakwas, for example, in a hospital.


Everyone always talks about how obvious it was that you were Revan, and sure it is super obvious in hindsight, but I sincerely doubt very many people actually realized they were Revan on their first playthrough of the game until the point where they tell you point blank that you're Revan.

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I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.

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So speculations.....
Im thinking there will be an opportunity to maybe visit the area of the citadel that houses the console that opens the citadel. It would be interesting to see the area before it resembles a collector ship.

Also, has anyone ever come up with a reason the pile of bodies post Harby-beam look like deflated ballon humans? I've finally played through and seen all the EC endings and everytime I restart the Return mission I'm freaked out by the giant pile of dead ballon humans that look like a brain.

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You have asked for speculations. I have provided them.

Either ****ING SPECULATE WITH WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED, or I'm pulling a Salient, and I'll leave.

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GethPrimeMKII wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


What?

Do we get to go to these new area's of the citedel anytime we want?


Theres a Tweet from Mark Gamble (is that his name?) that says we will be able to go to the new areas anytime. Hopefully we'll have something more reminiscent of ME1. I liked how much there was to explore in ME1's Citadel. 
ME3 needs more hub areas period. We need Illium and Omega. 


Yea,but I really hated the elevators.
Also it's Mike GamblePosted Image

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

The off topic BS really needs to stop. Chris came in to tell us to get back on topic and we stopped the BS for what? Half a page? It is pretty obvious that we have nothing to speculate on so why does everyone feel the need to keep posting so that the page count goes up? Quality comes over quantity and right now it seems that everyone is shooting for quantity. If there is nothing to speculate on then keep looking until you find something new. The time spent with the useless posts could easily be spent searching through the games like I have, I am not saying that you will find anything new, because I haven't, but time spent on off-topicness is wasteful. Again, if there is nothing worthy of posting don't post at all.


You want speculation? You got it.

Let's begin from the beginning.

Mass Effect 1.

You hear whispers in the scene discussing the Prothean visions with Anderson and Chakwas.

What's say we have a closer look at that Prothean vision in fact.

Amongst other things, I recognize what could perhaps be a Reaper face mixed in with alot of trippy and disturbing images, mostly focused on lots of merged synth-organics.

Saren himself, his constant comments about the nature of Synthesis. Also, do we have a timeline for when he was implanted? The reasons? Does anyone know when his arm was replaced with a Geth arm?

Saren also has his body break down after he commits suicide/gets killed by you, revealing his synthetic parts, his flesh burning away, it seems. Thoughts on the significance of this?

ME2, can we determine precisely what parts of Shepard are synthetic?

The Arrival, let's have a closer look at Dr.Kenson's actions. She seems to go insane after Shepard spends 2 days on a slab, anyone know why she degraded that quickly? Before she seemed rather canny. Also, why was it Harbinger could speak through her, with no apparent physical augmentation? Or for that matter, release control without her dying?

ME3, the game opens on a skewed veiw of reality, focusing in on the Ship the kid is holding, making us think it's real, much like the trailer, but why then, show a different kid? Thoughts?

If not indoctrination, or hallucination of some form, what then is the point of all the comments we receive questioning the reality of a situation?

Shepard also comments on Chronus Station that he could be a hyper-intelligent VI that thinks it's commander Shepard, much like the VI of Shepard we can see and talk to. Perhaps this also brings connections to President Huerta?

What is the significance of adding the Three Husketeers to the Beam shuffle if the game is set to Insanity? 

Discuss.

Anything relating to indoctrination from the past 2 games should be taken wholely. Anything relating to ENDINGS from the past 2 games should be taken with a grain of salt because Bioware apparently changed their ending since.

For Saren's parts, it would seem that he was just augmented in a similar way to Shepard, Shepard really has no idea how much tech is in him/her and how much of it is reaper tech.

It was said in the codex that reaper indoctrination can cause fast decay, such was the case with Dr. Kenson. This would lead me to believe that object Rho maybe went into a rapid indoctrination mode. This being the case, how was Shepard so resilient to this?

In the ME3 trailer it was implied that the girl was killed. I will call BS on Bioware saying the ventboy is representative of the people Shepard couldn't save. I say this because if Bioware wanted us to feel bad about a kid being killed, why not use the girl from the trailer? We would have already had a small connection to that girl and seeing her die would have meant a lot more than ventboy. If Bioware's intention was to generate a emotional response they should have used the trailer girl.

To me it is plain that Shepard is not an advanced VI that thinks it's Shepard. No matter what kind of data transfer Cerberus had, I don't see it as feasible for all of the info in Shepards brain to be transfered in a VI. However, Shepard did forget a few things that were odd but I think that a VI Shepard would be too much of a unviable plot twist to actually happen. Shepard should also be a bit better in fights if he/she was an AI/VI because of auto targeting and such.

I have only played on insanity but I am assuming that the three huskiteers aren't there on other difficulties? I would hesitate to be conclusive on anything that changes based on game diffuculty but if I had to speculate I would say that it may have been a few soldiers who got to the beam. Why they wouldn't be there on other difficulties is beyond me. It hardly made that scene harder.

Edit: Arian, it takes a long time to speculate on all of this you have provided, you bearly gave me enough time! But yeah, it is like I said, your post seems to have gotten overlooked.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 07 août 2012 - 01:44 .


#6312
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CoolioThane wrote...

I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.


Of course you thought the video was awful, after all, it was posted by me, so that automatically makes it awful.

Besides, what do you know about art?


Seriously, grow up, child.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Saren himself, his constant comments about the nature of Synthesis. Also, do we have a timeline for when he was implanted? The reasons? Does anyone know when his arm was replaced with a Geth arm?

He also got Geth legs (you can notice the difference on the hip quite well compared to Turian hips)
In addition it's interesting Tali seems to have a special piece of armor on her right arm.

Arian Dynas wrote...

ME2, can we determine precisely what parts of Shepard are synthetic?

The Arrival, let's have a closer look at Dr.Kenson's actions. She seems to go insane after Shepard spends 2 days on a slab, anyone know why she degraded that quickly? Before she seemed rather canny. Also, why was it Harbinger could speak through her, with no apparent physical augmentation? Or for that matter, release control without her dying?

I guess the degradation was because of Harbinger assuming control, everything is in motion and she isn't needed much longer. My guess is that it could just release control as it didn't change the body while at it, Collectors seem to work different. This also is a point in my theory that indoctrination is adapting. Collectors are built to serve, and the artifacts in Evolution are to degenerate the species to make it easier to control them. Also it seems they can't give direct orders through "normal" indoctrination. Every time clear orders are given is through assuming control and then telling other Collectors what to do.

Arian Dynas wrote...

What is the significance of adding the Three Husketeers to the Beam shuffle if the game is set to Insanity?

They aren't in anything but Insanity? Though I would say it's just a difficulty thing then...

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protognosis wrote...

So speculations.....
Im thinking there will be an opportunity to maybe visit the area of the citadel that houses the console that opens the citadel. It would be interesting to see the area before it resembles a collector ship.

Also, has anyone ever come up with a reason the pile of bodies post Harby-beam look like deflated ballon humans? I've finally played through and seen all the EC endings and everytime I restart the Return mission I'm freaked out by the giant pile of dead ballon humans that look like a brain.


All those bodies resemble Ashley and Kaiden. While I'm not sure what they'd symbolize outside of Shepard's guilt or loss, I'm pretty sure those bodies aren't there before Harbinger's attack hits.  

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That's better.

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Both Rif and Megumi are ****s. Happy?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

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You have asked for speculations. I have provided them.

Either ****ING SPECULATE WITH WHAT I HAVE PROVIDED, or I'm pulling a Salient, and I'll leave.


I already speculated on some of what you said! :crying:

As for Kenson, maybe Harby tried rapid indoctrination on her once she got ahold of Shepard. From what we can see, I dont think she seems fully indoctrinated in her logs, she just seems to be on the way to it.

Harby could have realized 'Oh great, Shepard's involved. She talked our last agent out of indoctrination. I'd better lay it on really heavy this time.' and caused the decay you get from rapid indoctrination.

As for her not having any implants but being controlled by Harby, it could just be Shepard's almost passed out mind projecting stuff onto her. I dont really know.

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Um... the huskateers have been there on all of my playthroughs, normal and up...

At least I think so...

Pretty sure....

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 01:46 .


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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You hear whispers in the scene discussing the Prothean visions with Anderson and Chakwas.

What's say we have a closer look at that Prothean vision in fact.

Amongst other things, I recognize what could perhaps be a Reaper face mixed in with alot of trippy and disturbing images, mostly focused on lots of merged synth-organics.


Is it just me or do the beacons seem to be warning more against the dangers of synthesis than against the Reapers?

The old beacons may be trying to convey a different message because the ending idea that Bioware had "changed." However, going against synthesis while the reapers promote it have an obvious clash of ideals. I would likely trust the guys that aren't trying to kill me. To me, this would make me not choose synthesis, or at least think something was up with it (I already do).

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

Um... the huskateers have been there on all of my playthroughs, normal and up...


I know for a fact they arent there on casual, since I played my engineer on casual, since I suck at engineers.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

FFZero wrote...

byne wrote...

Ok, lets stop all this discussion about who is and isnt a jerk, and try to get back on topic.

Do you think that any of the new levels of the Citadel we visit during Leviathan will include this cut content with Admiral Xen?

I kind of hope so, because it seems like some interesting stuff.


I hope so, purely so I can here Tali say this:

Xen: Tali'Zorah... what would your father say?
Tali: He'd say, "Good work. That bosh'tet was crazy."

However I doubt it, doesn't sound like from either the leaked script or the info BW have given us that the Geth are invovled in any way. It is possible though, BW have said that the DLC canonically takes place about half way through the story, so that would put it within the Geth/Quarian war arc.


Whaaa? Link please!
Mike Gamble tweeted that it will be unlocked near the beginning of the game.


I can’t remember exactly where I read/heard it, might’ve been during the demo where Mike Gamble was talking about it, I’ll see if I can find a link. However you’re right in that it’s unlocked near the beginning of the game, we can play the DLC whenever we want once we get access to the message terminal and galaxy map.  I’m just saying that within BW’s supposedly non existent “canon” that it’s supposed to take place half way through the game, sort of like how LOTSB is supposed to take place after the Collector Base but we can do it any time after Horizon.

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Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.

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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.


Of course you thought the video was awful, after all, it was posted by me, so that automatically makes it awful.

Besides, what do you know about art?


Seriously, grow up, child.


Whoah, calm it Bessie. I didn't like it because I didn't like it at all. Don't assume you know my thoughts 

I know plenty about art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it appears because I disagree with you I know nothing...seems pretty arrogant 

Again, calm it down. Telling me what to do and calling me a child. Tut, tut. Take a look at yourself, ;)

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CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.


Of course you thought the video was awful, after all, it was posted by me, so that automatically makes it awful.

Besides, what do you know about art?


Seriously, grow up, child.


Whoah, calm it Bessie. I didn't like it because I didn't like it at all. Don't assume you know my thoughts 

I know plenty about art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it appears because I disagree with you I know nothing...seems pretty arrogant 

Again, calm it down. Telling me what to do and calling me a child. Tut, tut. Take a look at yourself, ;)


Can you please just stop responding to him?

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FellishBeast wrote...

Both Rif and Megumi are ****s. Happy?

Very.