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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.

He's not looking at the camera.

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Restrider wrote...

So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?


Perhaps they decided they didn't have enough time to put indoctrination in directly, and instead decided to make it psychological instead of just a game mechanic.

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?


Perhaps they decided they didn't have enough time to put indoctrination in directly, and instead decided to make it psychological instead of just a game mechanic.


But that's soooooo much better!

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BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.

#63356
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masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.


I'd like to remind everyone that Shepard, Anderson, and TIM are all talking to Shepard in that scene, according to the subtitles.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 08 décembre 2012 - 10:46 .


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Restrider wrote...

A reminder for the votes of these IT schemes.

*Me spamming polls --- the memories*


I voted for "K".

On another note, does anyone else find embedded pics like that annoying? Because I have to right click, go to "Properties", highlight and copy the URL, then paste it in a new tab. Posted Image


voted for "K", was between K and J, MIB :D
I´m using mac so for me its just double clic, and open in another tab

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

A reminder for the votes of these IT schemes.

*Me spamming polls --- the memories*


I voted for "K".

On another note, does anyone else find embedded pics like that annoying? Because I have to right click, go to "Properties", highlight and copy the URL, then paste it in a new tab. Posted Image

I've modified the picture, it should be a direct link now as well.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.


I'd like to remind everyone that Shepard, Anderson, and TIM are all talking to Shepard in that scene, according to the subtitles.

Didn't TSA prove that it's that way in almost every conversation?

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estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.

He's not looking at the camera.

Are you kidding me? He looks directly at it for no apparent reason, does the horror face, and goes back.
Here's a Femshep one. It's harder to see the horror face though, because that is based on Sheploo, but it's still pretty obvious. I noticed it on my playthroughs. It bugged me. Kind of like Anderson's shifty eyes.

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...
So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?


Perhaps they decided they didn't have enough time to put indoctrination in directly, and instead decided to make it psychological instead of just a game mechanic.


I'm glad they did.  An actual game mechanic would have been far too obvious.  There would't have been any doubt - people would have known straight away what was happening.

As it stands, we've got an epic mystery on our hands.  If Bioware continue to keep their lips sealed, people could be saying is it/isn't it for years to come...

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Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?


Perhaps they decided they didn't have enough time to put indoctrination in directly, and instead decided to make it psychological instead of just a game mechanic.


Could be but I don't think that one 'just' comes up with a psychological replacement instead.
"Hey Mac, how you doin? Yeaaah, if you could just come up with an end-game where the whole playerbase is tricked psychologically into siding with the Reapers? That'd be great. See ya."

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masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.

Exactly. There are a few times this happens. They also said they were very careful and deliberate with camera angles, especially in the TIM scene if I remember correctly.

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Restrider wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

A reminder for the votes of these IT schemes.

*Me spamming polls --- the memories*


I voted for "K".

On another note, does anyone else find embedded pics like that annoying? Because I have to right click, go to "Properties", highlight and copy the URL, then paste it in a new tab. Posted Image

I've modified the picture, it should be a direct link now as well.


Thanks! But does anyone know if there's a way I can not have to do that when it's a normal embeded picture?

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estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.


I'd like to remind everyone that Shepard, Anderson, and TIM are all talking to Shepard in that scene, according to the subtitles.

Didn't TSA prove that it's that way in almost every conversation?


He did, but... where is it in the files?

#63366
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MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Restrider wrote...

So, when did BW ask EA for more production time?
Was it in November 2011?
Shouldn't the ending be done by then?

More or less, but isn't that when they "cut" the full reaper control thing?


Perhaps they decided they didn't have enough time to put indoctrination in directly, and instead decided to make it psychological instead of just a game mechanic.



Could be but I don't think that one 'just' comes up with a psychological replacement instead.
"Hey Mac, how you doin? Yeaaah, if you could just come up with an end-game where the whole playerbase is tricked psychologically into siding with the Reapers? That'd be great. See ya."

I assume that the psychological aspect of indoctrination has always been
planned for the ending and the game mechanic was just an addition to
it.
However it might have been to tricky to implement it without being too obvious, or it was just too buggy/difficult to implement.
Who knows? I'd bet that this losing control mechanic would've been used during the TIM/Anderson stand-off.
In the end, we have something like losing control in this scene.

Modifié par Restrider, 08 décembre 2012 - 10:52 .


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With regards to Restrider's poll, I see standard IT as the K option, though EC makes it a toss up between J and K. If the post end DLC doesn't require EC, I'll probably uninstall EC.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

A reminder for the votes of these IT schemes.

*Me spamming polls --- the memories*


I voted for "K".

On another note, does anyone else find embedded pics like that annoying? Because I have to right click, go to "Properties", highlight and copy the URL, then paste it in a new tab. Posted Image

I've modified the picture, it should be a direct link now as well.


Thanks! But does anyone know if there's a way I can not have to do that when it's a normal embeded picture?

Well, if you use Mozilla, you can just drag the pic into a new tab (you do not even have to open a new tab for that).

#63369
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masster blaster wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.


He also does the Horror Face, like when EDI tells that joke.


Yep just like Anderson " They are controlling you" looks at the Camera instead of TIM.


I'd like to remind everyone that Shepard, Anderson, and TIM are all talking to Shepard in that scene, according to the subtitles.

Didn't TSA prove that it's that way in almost every conversation?


He did, but... where is it in the files?

Ask TSA.

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I vote for J/K too

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BleedingUranium wrote...

With regards to Restrider's poll, I see standard IT as the K option, though EC makes it a toss up between J and K. If the post end DLC doesn't require EC, I'll probably uninstall EC.


The most literal interpretation I could imagine being somehow true either are G) or F).
For F), this is basically saying that the Guardian is honest and everything after our choice happens. I just can't get around people believing that the decision chamber is real. That is clearly a part that has to be taken heavily with symbolism. I'd compare it with the movie First Contact and the way how the alien reveals itself to the protagonist.
Edit: It's like people watching First Contact seriously thinking that the first contact took place on a pleasent, caribbean beach...

Modifié par Restrider, 08 décembre 2012 - 10:59 .


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last month i remember mike gamble on twitter talkin about how he was playing a new dlc(not omega)and now im reading about anotha dlc where all the writers are coming together and even the composer said hes makin tunes that will bring us to tears it cant be the same thing right? could gamble possibly have been playin the citadel dlc and this new one they are talking about be a expansion pack?

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masster blaster wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

Guys I Hear voices in the Normandy pick up scene.

Guys Harbinger stops attacking Shepard. You don't hear any of his lasers firing at all, and a Mako stops to cover Shepard, and does not get hit until they charge foward.


What if th3e voices are the Rachni queen?:blink: didn't she say when the time comes our voices will join yours.

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CoolioThane wrote...

I vote for J/K too


Tommy Lee Jones would be proud of youB)

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Just to go back to that Mako thing...

Does anybody notice in the Extended Cut that they ADDED a friggin' Mako getting overturned RIGHT BESIDE SHEPARD before he gets hit by the laser?