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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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mrs.N7 wrote...

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Just to go back to that Mako thing...

Does anybody notice in the Extended Cut that they ADDED a friggin' Mako getting overturned RIGHT BESIDE SHEPARD before he gets hit by the laser?


I forgot about that Posted Image


And the angle at which the laser hits Shep will make him fall in the rubble like we see in the breath scene...
(watch Banshee's link)

Hey N7, long time no see. Posted Image

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RussianZombeh wrote...

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Watch IGAs at http://www.youtube.c...r/machinimalive

Now showing ME3.

Missed ME3. What happened? Any awards given?

Not yet. It was just a video about soundtracks and a cinematic from ME was shown. The ceremony haven't started yet.

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Well, I'm going to play a quick game of ME3 MP. See you all in about 15 - 20 minutes.

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Eryri wrote...

Add to this the unnatural speed with which the Normandy arrives. It's able to leave a pitched space battle, enter the atmosphere, and deccelerate to a stop, all in about 10 seconds.


Four seconds, I just checked.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Add to this the unnatural speed with which the Normandy arrives. It's able to leave a pitched space battle, enter the atmosphere, and deccelerate to a stop, all in about 10 seconds.


Four seconds, I just checked.


seems legit

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Ginissss wrote...

last month i remember mike gamble on twitter talkin about how he was playing a new dlc(not omega)and now im reading about anotha dlc where all the writers are coming together and even the composer said hes makin tunes that will bring us to tears it cant be the same thing right? could gamble possibly have been playin the citadel dlc and this new one they are talking about be a expansion pack?


I've read other twitter posts that implied that there all part of one project, but I can't remember exactly.

I'm quietly hopeful that it will be a true expansion pack, as I don't think any meaningful IT reveal could fit in the 2Gb limit for Xbox live.

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Dwailing wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Watch IGAs at http://www.youtube.c...r/machinimalive

Now showing ME3.

Missed ME3. What happened? Any awards given?


Not yet (As far as I know).  One thing I know is that ME3 is up for Best Environmental Design (If I was watching the video correctly), along with Max Payne 3, Spec Ops: The Line, and Borderlands 2.  If you ask me, ME3 or MP3 should take it.  They were both awesome.

I think that was Best Cinematography.

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Ginissss wrote...

last month i remember mike gamble on twitter talkin about how he was playing a new dlc(not omega)and now im reading about anotha dlc where all the writers are coming together and even the composer said hes makin tunes that will bring us to tears it cant be the same thing right? could gamble possibly have been playin the citadel dlc and this new one they are talking about be a expansion pack?


I'm sorry, I missed this earlier Posted Image

That's the general idea. Jos Hendricks posted something, saying he's throwing us a curveball and saying that a DLC can be in QA and involve writers at the same time, but didn't actually say if they were the same or not. So, there could be one or two, we don't know.

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Ginissss wrote...

last month i remember mike gamble on twitter talkin about how he was playing a new dlc(not omega)and now im reading about anotha dlc where all the writers are coming together and even the composer said hes makin tunes that will bring us to tears it cant be the same thing right? could gamble possibly have been playin the citadel dlc and this new one they are talking about be a expansion pack?

Basically yeah. An expansion pack could definitely happen for IT. And he was probably playing the "citadel DLC" as well.

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Dwailing wrote...

OT, I love the guys who are doing the IGAs. These guys are definitely true gamers.

Edit: Great, top with this.

True. Mass Effect 3 is prominently featured in there.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Add to this the unnatural speed with which the Normandy arrives. It's able to leave a pitched space battle, enter the atmosphere, and deccelerate to a stop, all in about 10 seconds.


Four seconds, I just checked.


I stand corrected. I think I'm being converted to a "Mako Crash - ite", rather than a "Beamist" for the start of the illusion.

EDIT: had to correct my post, site thought I was swearing.

Modifié par Eryri, 09 décembre 2012 - 12:25 .


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Eryri wrote...

Ginissss wrote...

last month i remember mike gamble on twitter talkin about how he was playing a new dlc(not omega)and now im reading about anotha dlc where all the writers are coming together and even the composer said hes makin tunes that will bring us to tears it cant be the same thing right? could gamble possibly have been playin the citadel dlc and this new one they are talking about be a expansion pack?


I've read other twitter posts that implied that there all part of one project, but I can't remember exactly.

I'm quietly hopeful that it will be a true expansion pack, as I don't think any meaningful IT reveal could fit in the 2Gb limit for Xbox live.

You're probably right, but there have been many patches and stuff. Hey, the machinima live thing just showed part of the Femshep trailer. "You've been there, in the trenches."

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Eryri wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Add to this the unnatural speed with which the Normandy arrives. It's able to leave a pitched space battle, enter the atmosphere, and deccelerate to a stop, all in about 10 seconds.


Four seconds, I just checked.


I stand corrected. I think I'm being converted to a "Mako Cra****e", rather than a "Beamist" for the start of the illusion.

3rd option: In the IT reveal the Extended Cut evac doesn't play at all, and it does start at the beam run! Both at once? Synthesis is the final evolution of Actually no.

Edit: Lol on the swearing.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 décembre 2012 - 12:24 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

So here's what I noticed about the beam run.

1. Shepard loses his/her guns and gets a Predator. This weapon is symbolic of breaking indoctrination. Shepard loses it when the squadmembers are evac'd, but his/her Carnifex (that used to be Anderson's) turns into a Predator again as soon as the destroy wave hits it.

2. Like Blur said, the Normandy does not seem like it would fit this area. The wings would be in the ground and/or the ramp can't touch the ground. This means they would be floating. After you hear this, you may notice a lot of obvious camera angles that cleverly don't show things properly I.E. not showing ramp and ground at the same time etc. At 5:52 you can see the wings pretty much in the ground.
Here are blueprints for the SR-2 that may prove useful.

3. Like MB said, there are creepy voices during the whole evac.

4. Shepard, after turning back to say goodbye to their LI, turns back around and sees Harbinger. They then stare knowingly at each other, hero/villain style. This is very telling to me because it points to this scene being in Shepard's head. This is an example of "out of sight, out of mind" - literally. Shepard (being focused on their LI) "forgets" about Harbinger. When they turn around, they "remember" and are suddenly back to normal. You can see the shock on Shepard's face and hear it in his/her voice. "Go!" You can see this sudden shift in the video. It's very dreamy to not have things present if you are not thinking about them. Harbinger doesn't shoot anything while Shepard's not thinking about him. Starts up again after he is noticed.

5. Why does some random marine leave too? Shouldn't they at least replace the people they picked up?Note the Normandy model looks smaller, at least IMO.

6. The mako is positioned perfectly for the breath scene.

7. It's hard to see because of the dream transition, so look at the screen from the bottom to see more contrast. Shepard gets blown back by the laser. Play/pause it to see.

What do you think?


1. Yes, never noticed that!
2. Yep!
3. I hear the voices sayong "Here, take her" right before Shep does.. Maybe it's only me.
4. Hell yeah, it's quite.. strange.
5. Weren't there 2 marines at the start of the scene? Maybe he's the second one..
6/7. Like I said (:ph34r:'d by you though.)

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thanks guys reading previous posts and remembering biowares history with shocking endings and dragon age origins awakening deff have faith in them that they have a major expansion pack planned. Did anyone here ever think like me that maybe the Leviathans are the real true enemy here and Cerberus and the reapers maybe could be there pawns or something to that extent.

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Ginissss wrote...

thanks guys reading previous posts and remembering biowares history with shocking endings and dragon age origins awakening deff have faith in them that they have a major expansion pack planned. Did anyone here ever think like me that maybe the Leviathans are the real true enemy here and Cerberus and the reapers maybe could be there pawns or something to that extent.


The Leviathans are definitely fishy (terrible pun intended). I don't think they're in control of the reapers now, but they definitely have ideas about manipulating the situation to their advantage. They'll wait until the Reapers and the Alliance tear each other to pieces, then finish off the victors while they're still weak perhaps?

Modifié par Eryri, 09 décembre 2012 - 12:31 .


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Ginissss wrote...

thanks guys reading previous posts and remembering biowares history with shocking endings and dragon age origins awakening deff have faith in them that they have a major expansion pack planned. Did anyone here ever think like me that maybe the Leviathans are the real true enemy here and Cerberus and the reapers maybe could be there pawns or something to that extent.

Yeah, Bioware has quite a history of this apparently. ME3 seems to combine elements from all of their other ones.

As for the Leviathan thing, I doubt they are the masterminds anymore, but they are certainly untrustworthy and may be a later enemy.

Edit: Posted Image and also that terrible pun made me laugh. Posted Image

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 09 décembre 2012 - 12:33 .


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You can still vote:

Modifié par paxxton, 09 décembre 2012 - 12:35 .


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estebanus wrote...

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OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.

He's not looking at the camera.


I lol'd

Not looking at the camera, eh?

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"...Harbinger?"

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mrs.N7 wrote...

1. Yes, never noticed that!
2. Yep!
3. I hear the voices sayong "Here, take her" right before Shep does.. Maybe it's only me.
4. Hell yeah, it's quite.. strange.
5. Weren't there 2 marines at the start of the scene? Maybe he's the second one..
6/7. Like I said (:ph34r:'d by you though.)

3. It does sound like that, and Shepard says it right after. That makes it seem much more dreamlike too.

5. I moslty meant it would make sense for the marines to help on the beam run instead of also leaving.

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lol eryi and im a ps3 user whos very much enjoying mass effect 1 for the first time and this mako is not bad at all i dont get the hate. But what i wanted to say was im playin feros right now with the thorian and its such a cool concept but it made me remember kinda those plants that i think maybe did mind control or something in Leviathan can someone refresh my memory please lol

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mrs.N7 wrote...

1. Yes, never noticed that!
2. Yep!
3. I hear the voices sayong "Here, take her" right before Shep does.. Maybe it's only me.
4. Hell yeah, it's quite.. strange.
5. Weren't there 2 marines at the start of the scene? Maybe he's the second one..
6/7. Like I said (:ph34r:'d by you though.)


3. I hear "The child lies", but I think that's my confirmation bias talking. ^_^

 It's a horrible creepy voice though. Makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.:?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

With regards to Restrider's poll, I see standard IT as the K option, though EC makes it a toss up between J and K. If the post end DLC doesn't require EC, I'll probably uninstall EC.

Me too. The indoctrination experience is much cooler and more fluid without it.


Yeah, I voted K. Was surprised to see it didn't get more votes.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

estebanus wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

OMG!

Shepard looks at the camera when he says " Harbinger" !

http://www.youtube.c...DBwEMAyaU#t=76s

pause it at 1:22 right when Shepard is about to say Harbinger.

He's not looking at the camera.


I lol'd

Not looking at the camera, eh?

Posted Image

"...Harbinger?"

Hey Doomsday. Weird scene no? And she is definitely looking at us, horrified.Posted Image

Could be because I'm dominating this page. Posted Image

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Ginissss wrote...

lol eryi and im a ps3 user whos very much enjoying mass effect 1 for the first time and this mako is not bad at all i dont get the hate. But what i wanted to say was im playin feros right now with the thorian and its such a cool concept but it made me remember kinda those plants that i think maybe did mind control or something in Leviathan can someone refresh my memory please lol


I believe the Thorian was mentioned in Bryson's lab, and we still don't know what's up with the flowers, other than that they're all over the Citadel.