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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BlazingZephyr

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byne wrote...

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Um... the huskateers have been there on all of my playthroughs, normal and up...


I know for a fact they arent there on casual, since I played my engineer on casual, since I suck at engineers.


Well, my first playthrough (no imports yet) was on Hardcore. I remember freaking out on insanity because they were so hard to kill compared to previous playthroughs. They might just be on Hardcore and insanity. I can't totally recal, since I haven't touched SP since the extended cut released.

Also, could the huskateers be the "X" you couldn't recall, Byne?

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 01:53 .


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On the topic of possible DLC content, I imagine we'll see Justicar Phora down the road. They didn't leave those notes about her in the Ardat-Yakshi monastery for nothing, and the default MP asari adept looks... I don't know, there's just something unsettling about her face. She's wearing Morinth's outfit and her class is "justicar." Even though, you know, there's a real justicar class. For some reason.

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Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.


Wait, I remembered!

I was going to ask if you think theres any significance to the fact that both Shepard and Saren seem to be following the same path.

They both:

-Are famous Spectres
-Get the krogan to follow them by curing the genophage
-Get reaper augmented geth to follow them
-Kill another Spectre who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Are partially organic, and partially synthetic

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What about the whole Normandy Engineers mission which was pointless?

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byne wrote...

byne wrote...

Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.


Wait, I remembered!

I was going to ask if you think theres any significance to the fact that both Shepard and Saren seem to be following the same path.

They both:

-Are famous Spectres
-Get the krogan to follow them by curing the genophage
-Get reaper augmented geth to follow them
-Kill another Spectre who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Are partially organic, and partially synthetic


Who was the spectre Shepard killed for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time?  The only ones I can recall are Saren and Tela Vasir and both of them REALLY had it coming.  The VS I suppose, but most people don't wind up taking out that garbage.

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byne wrote...

byne wrote...

Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.


Wait, I remembered!

I was going to ask if you think theres any significance to the fact that both Shepard and Saren seem to be following the same path.

They both:

-Are famous Spectres
-Get the krogan to follow them by curing the genophage
-Get reaper augmented geth to follow them
-Kill another Spectre who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Are partially organic, and partially synthetic


Wait, when did Shep kill a Spectre that was in the wrong place at the wrong time?

And some of these can be untrue, depending on decisions (cure, geth alive...)

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 01:58 .


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CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.


Of course you thought the video was awful, after all, it was posted by me, so that automatically makes it awful.

Besides, what do you know about art?


Seriously, grow up, child.


Whoah, calm it Bessie. I didn't like it because I didn't like it at all. Don't assume you know my thoughts 

I know plenty about art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it appears because I disagree with you I know nothing...seems pretty arrogant 

Again, calm it down. Telling me what to do and calling me a child. Tut, tut. Take a look at yourself, ;)



Don't feed the trolls, friend. Btw I could use your help if you care to write for me once more. 

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CoolioThane wrote...

What about the whole Normandy Engineers mission which was pointless?


I once got the mission to buy the parts after the assault on TIM's base, since I was too lazy to go talk to them before that.

Adams was all "Hey, head to the Citadel and buy this part."

Apparently to Adams, shopping takes precedence over Reaper takeovers.

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

byne wrote...

Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.


Wait, I remembered!

I was going to ask if you think theres any significance to the fact that both Shepard and Saren seem to be following the same path.

They both:

-Are famous Spectres
-Get the krogan to follow them by curing the genophage
-Get reaper augmented geth to follow them
-Kill another Spectre who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Are partially organic, and partially synthetic


Who was the spectre Shepard killed for just being in the wrong place at the wrong time?  The only ones I can recall are Saren and Tela Vasir and both of them REALLY had it coming.  The VS I suppose, but most people don't wind up taking out that garbage.


Well, it mostly depends on how you feel about Tela Vasir, but I guess it could also apply to the VS.

Honestly, Tela was just doing what is in her authority as a Spectre to do.

Tela seemed to be a good spectre from what I gathered on the Cerberus Network stuff.

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byne wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

What about the whole Normandy Engineers mission which was pointless?


I once got the mission to buy the parts after the assault on TIM's base, since I was too lazy to go talk to them before that.

Adams was all "Hey, head to the Citadel and buy this part."

Apparently to Adams, shopping takes precedence over Reaper takeovers.

Did you ever notice you can still use the normandy acquisitions thing for the citadel stores immediately before you go to London?
I'm picturing some crew member nervously waiting in line behind a Marauder...

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byne wrote...

Well, it mostly depends on how you feel about Tela Vasir, but I guess it could also apply to the VS.

Honestly, Tela was just doing what is in her authority as a Spectre to do.

Tela seemed to be a good spectre from what I gathered on the Cerberus Network stuff.


Yeah, no.  There's no way in hell Vasir gets counted as "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" after blowing up a building of innocent people in her quest to muder Liara.

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I’ve been replaying ME2 recently and I just had the conversation with the Asari on Illium who gives you the message from the Rachni Queen and I thought one of the lines was interesting when you think of the final dream and also some of Starbrats new dialogue in the EC.

“When the time comes, our voice will join with yours, and our crescendo will burn the darkness clean”

Bioware really have a thing for cleansing fire don’t they? Maybe they’re all closet pyromaniacs...

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TSA_383 wrote...

Did you ever notice you can still use the normandy acquisitions thing for the citadel stores immediately before you go to London?
I'm picturing some crew member nervously waiting in line behind a Marauder...


Gotta love game mechanics! :wizard:

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CoolioThane wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I thought the video was awful. 5 years wasted...could have been having some fun instead of making that waste of bandwidth. Opinion.

My temper tantrums...as I've said are no tantrums, nor am I angry. I just like to express myself differently.

You truly are a smug arse.


Of course you thought the video was awful, after all, it was posted by me, so that automatically makes it awful.

Besides, what do you know about art?


Seriously, grow up, child.


Whoah, calm it Bessie. I didn't like it because I didn't like it at all. Don't assume you know my thoughts 

I know plenty about art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and it appears because I disagree with you I know nothing...seems pretty arrogant 

Again, calm it down. Telling me what to do and calling me a child. Tut, tut. Take a look at yourself, ;)


Sure, you might not like the video. You probably didn't understand it, or you did and you just didn't like the message behind it. All possible. But if you knew anything about art you'd at least appreciate the effort the artist has put into it, instead of childishly bashing it simply because you didn't like it (for whatever reason). That's not really mature behavior. Of course I never expected mature behavior from you in the first place, as you've never displayed mature behavior before.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 07 août 2012 - 02:05 .


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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Well, it mostly depends on how you feel about Tela Vasir, but I guess it could also apply to the VS.

Honestly, Tela was just doing what is in her authority as a Spectre to do.

Tela seemed to be a good spectre from what I gathered on the Cerberus Network stuff.


Yeah, no.  There's no way in hell Vasir gets counted as "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" after blowing up a building of innocent people in her quest to muder Liara.


Well, I consider being in the wrong place at the wrong time is what dragged her into that. I'm not saying she didnt kind of have it coming after all the crap she did.

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Byne, I don't know if you noticed my earlier edit, but I added that parts of your Shep-Saren path list can be untrue; Shep can decide not to cure the genophage and can end up destroying nearly all of the geth. Plus, none of the spectre's (s)he's killed have been in the "wrong place at the wrong time," especially if you mean Vasir, since LotSB isn't canon.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 02:10 .


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byne wrote...

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Yeah, no.  There's no way in hell Vasir gets counted as "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" after blowing up a building of innocent people in her quest to muder Liara.


Well, I consider being in the wrong place at the wrong time is what dragged her into that. I'm not saying she didnt kind of have it coming after all the crap she did.


Hmm.  Yeah, I suppose you're right, it depends on how you view Vasir.  Or rather, how you view spectre authority.  I see them as above the law, but not above morality.  In dictatorships, a dictator can legally do whatever they want to their population.  But when the peasants storm the castle, the king's death isn't being in the wrong place at the wrong time.  He brought it upon himself, legally or not.  Same for Vasir.

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PrimeMkII - I would love to but at the moment my laptop is being repaired so I can't. If you tell me what you need I'll gladly begin when I get it back! :)

Hanar - it may have taken him a long time but I didn't think it was any good. This doesnt mean I didn't understand it, just that I thought it was crap. You can knock me for my opinion and continue to believe the world revolves around you but that's probably not the most mature option. Of course, I have never shown maturity, as you've known me for my entire life, and not just on an I trendy discussion board you troll. Waste of space.

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

Byne, I don't know if you noticed my earlier edit, but I added that parts of your Shep-Saren path list can be untrue; Shep can decide not to cure the genophage and can end up destroying nearly all of the geth. Plus, none of the spectre's (s)he's killed have been in the "wrong place at the wrong time," especially if you mean Vasir, since LotSB isn't canon.


Some of them can be untrue, yes, but most of them are true for most people.

Also, I'm not saying it definitively means anything, I'm just saying I find the similarities interesting.

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byne wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Byne, I don't know if you noticed my earlier edit, but I added that parts of your Shep-Saren path list can be untrue; Shep can decide not to cure the genophage and can end up destroying nearly all of the geth. Plus, none of the spectre's (s)he's killed have been in the "wrong place at the wrong time," especially if you mean Vasir, since LotSB isn't canon.


Some of them can be untrue, yes, but most of them are true for most people.

Also, I'm not saying it definitively means anything, I'm just saying I find the similarities interesting.


They are interesting.  And the genophage part is true regardless.  Shepard may sabotage it, but he still tried to manipulate them by pretending to cure it.  The status of Wrex as it pertains to worms is what decides if it succeeds of course.
Speaking of which, does anyone know if they fixed the graal/claymore mixup in the Wrex scene with EC?

#6346
BlazingZephyr

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byne wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Byne, I don't know if you noticed my earlier edit, but I added that parts of your Shep-Saren path list can be untrue; Shep can decide not to cure the genophage and can end up destroying nearly all of the geth. Plus, none of the spectre's (s)he's killed have been in the "wrong place at the wrong time," especially if you mean Vasir, since LotSB isn't canon.


Some of them can be untrue, yes, but most of them are true for most people.

Also, I'm not saying it definitively means anything, I'm just saying I find the similarities interesting.


Well, in that case, you could also add:

-Envisions synthesis as the future of organics once fully indoctrinated (in IT interpretation).

Of course, you could argue that all indoctrination victim accept this view.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 02:15 .


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BlazingZephyr wrote...

byne wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Byne, I don't know if you noticed my earlier edit, but I added that parts of your Shep-Saren path list can be untrue; Shep can decide not to cure the genophage and can end up destroying nearly all of the geth. Plus, none of the spectre's (s)he's killed have been in the "wrong place at the wrong time," especially if you mean Vasir, since LotSB isn't canon.


Some of them can be untrue, yes, but most of them are true for most people.

Also, I'm not saying it definitively means anything, I'm just saying I find the similarities interesting.


Well, in that case, you could also add:

-Envisions synthesis as the future of organics once fully indoctrinated (in IT interpretation).

Of course, you could argue that all indoctrination victim accept this view.


Oh, right. The synthesis part was originally on the list, but I removed it so I could play the 'Who am I talking about' game, since saying either they do support synthesis or could support synthesis would ruin the stupid game.

;)

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byne wrote...


Oh, right. The synthesis part was originally on the list, but I removed it so I could play the 'Who am I talking about' game, since saying either they do support synthesis or could support synthesis would ruin the stupid game.

;)


Now that I think of it, your list would specifically be a Full Paragon (Synthesis is viewed as such by many people) Shepard. That makes your observation even stranger, since Saren could be viewed as "ends justify means"
Renegade (join Reapers to ensure survival of the cycle).

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byne wrote...

byne wrote...

Ugh... Arian, I was going to ask you what you thought the significance of X was, but then I had to reply to your demand for speculations, and I no longer remember what X is.


Wait, I remembered!

I was going to ask if you think theres any significance to the fact that both Shepard and Saren seem to be following the same path.

They both:

-Are famous Spectres
-Get the krogan to follow them by curing the genophage
-Get reaper augmented geth to follow them
-Kill another Spectre who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time
-Are partially organic, and partially synthetic


"Beware that he who fights monsters does not himself become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Freidrich Neiztche

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

Well, it mostly depends on how you feel about Tela Vasir, but I guess it could also apply to the VS.

Honestly, Tela was just doing what is in her authority as a Spectre to do.

Tela seemed to be a good spectre from what I gathered on the Cerberus Network stuff.


Yeah, no.  There's no way in hell Vasir gets counted as "being in the wrong place at the wrong time" after blowing up a building of innocent people in her quest to muder Liara.


Well, I consider being in the wrong place at the wrong time is what dragged her into that. I'm not saying she didnt kind of have it coming after all the crap she did.


Her major flaw was that she had too many loyalties. She was doing what she did in a bid to protect the Shadow Broker, who was a valued contact.