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spotlessvoid wrote...

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I don't understand this line of thinking that an IT DLC should have been done around the time of the EC.

Why would you think nobody would care a year after? If anything, IT DLC would RENEW interest, drive dlc and trilogy pack sales, and set Bioware uo to have me4 be successful


From the release of ME2 to the release of Arrival, how long was that?

edit - Found it. About 2 or 3 months from release the DLC connecting to the next game was released. Now look to now. It's almost been a year. You can see why people have low hopes for an epilogue DLC.

Xbox/ PC ME2 Launch: January 2010

Arrival release: March 2011


looks like IT DLC could be released on the anniversary of ME3 or with GOTY edition

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I don't understand this line of thinking that an IT DLC should have been done around the time of the EC.

Why would you think nobody would care a year after? If anything, IT DLC would RENEW interest, drive dlc and trilogy pack sales, and set Bioware uo to have me4 be successful


From the release of ME2 to the release of Arrival, how long was that?

edit - Found it. About 2 or 3 months from release the DLC connecting to the next game was released. Now look to now. It's almost been a year. You can see why people have low hopes for an epilogue DLC.

You.. You mean a year and about three months, right? :ph34r:'d
Arrival was also the final dlc in their cycle for ME2 since it was bridging dlc. I don't think Bioware would have done any different when they've said they have about year's worth of dlc ahead, you just don't put a reveal like that out before the cycle's over.


Oops. Epic fail. :pinched: Missread the dates. Well, at least it looks more promising for an IT DLC now.

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This just popped into my head for some reason

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So, what happened at the IGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?

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Dwailing wrote...

So, what happened at the VGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?


Best RPG. BioWare was nominated for a whole bunch, but won only 1. And only cause all the other RPG's suck in comparison to Mass Effect.

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So, what happened at the IGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?


Mike Gamble yelled "IT Confirmed ****es!" then threw down the mic and swagged off like a boss

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What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.

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What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.


The difference is Blade Runner 4 wasn't coming out in a couple years

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spotlessvoid wrote...

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So, what happened at the IGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?


Mike Gamble yelled "IT Confirmed ****es!" then threw down the mic and swagged off like a boss


Hell yes. :lol: That would of made my day. 

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spotlessvoid wrote...

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So, what happened at the IGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?


Mike Gamble yelled "IT Confirmed ****es!" then threw down the mic and swagged off like a boss


You must be joking.  The mood would be much more celebratory if he had.

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Dwailing wrote...

So, what happened at the IGAs? Did ME3 win ANYTHING?

Best Cinematography and Best Co-op Multiplayer.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.


The difference is Blade Runner 4 wasn't coming out in a couple years


I'd more say the difference is that trillions of people aren't going to be murdered by space monsters because of Deckard's anatomy.

But the worry is still there.  :unsure:

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.


The difference is Blade Runner 4 wasn't coming out in a couple years


I'd more say the difference is that trillions of people aren't going to be murdered by space monsters because of Deckard's anatomy.

But the worry is still there.  :unsure:


BR's ambiguity WAS the message. I don't really see that in IT. Plus, that question didn't hurt BR. IT + no reveal hurts ME. I get that the quote came from Bioware, but I'm not sweating it. I do get the concern though.

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Why I like ME3 mp- cause I'm still playing it. The others I'm not. That's one thing BioWare did well for me. They found a way to have me come back at least each week to play multiplayer till I get the weekend challenge. Plus the other challenges when I have time.

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CmdrShep80 wrote...

Why I like ME3 mp- cause I'm still playing it. The others I'm not. That's one thing BioWare did well for me. They found a way to have me come back at least each week to play multiplayer till I get the weekend challenge. Plus the other challenges when I have time.


I used to enjoy MP, but now i feel it very slow, and kinda boring
Also when i feel like playing, first i have to take the disc out of it´s case, i have CE, and i takes me 2min triyng not to break it and in those 2min i loose interest

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BR's ambiguity WAS the message. I don't really see that in IT. Plus, that question didn't hurt BR. IT + no reveal hurts ME. I get that the quote came from Bioware, but I'm not sweating it. I do get the concern though.


Not sure if it needs a reveal or what that would actually look like (Shepard waking up from the rubble and actually destroying the Reapers for real?).

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ambiguity solved by shep getting the hell out of there, more ambiguity introduced in wondering if he is still indoctrinated or not. comparing BR and biowares ambiguity is a mistake of epic proportions. BR worked. ME3 just seriously honked off a lot of people with it's 'art' attitude and almost 'if you dont like it you can .... off' response to criticism.

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Aren't vorcha years like ten human years?

And on the topic of early tweets, remember there was quite a few 'wink, wink' tweets at first. Like the 'Have you seen shutter island and sixth sense?' 'We see what you did there'

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To successfully tell a story that you intend to remain open to interpretation you need at least two plausible interpretations. If you think the literal ending is implausible nonsense yet think highly of Bioware's ability to tell a story, wouldn't it make sense that they don't intend to leave it open to interpretation because their is only one plausible interpretation?

I understand that because EA is first and foremost a business, Bioware may in turn make certain decisions from a business standpoint rather than an artistic one, but given the current state of Mass Effect's fan base, and the unsurprisingly low level of enthusiasm for future Mass Effect content, wouldn't EAs business interests and Bioware's artistic vision coincide?

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Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.


The difference is Blade Runner 4 wasn't coming out in a couple years


I'd more say the difference is that trillions of people aren't going to be murdered by space monsters because of Deckard's anatomy.

But the worry is still there.  :unsure:

In that case, most likely no one would remember ME3 positively anymore, or any Mass Effect game for that matter. The series would've already gone down in history as one of the biggest wasted potentials in the story of videogaming, if not THE biggest.

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Rifneno wrote...

What concerns me is that I remember one of the BW names tweeting in response to early IT asking how long it took to find out if Deckard was a replicant. The answer, by the way, is twenty vorcha****ing years.


It was Mike Gamble himself.

And yes, BR has a completely different dependency on the Replicant question than ME3 on the IT, one could say it is trivial compared to ME3's.

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In that case, most likely no one would remember ME3 positively anymore, or any Mass Effect game for that matter. The series would've already gone down in history as one of the biggest wasted potentials in the story of videogaming, if not THE biggest.


I agree with you this time Estebanus.
IT aside, a lot of people expected ME franchise to be a cornerstone of the videogames as a storytelling medium.
That's why it's being compared to a novels, movies, plays, and not to another video games.

Perhaps we started off on the wrong foot, But I became interested on your idea about the endings from literal point of view (or literature pov maybe). ^_^

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tangythang wrote...

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In that case, most likely no one would remember ME3 positively anymore, or any Mass Effect game for that matter. The series would've already gone down in history as one of the biggest wasted potentials in the story of videogaming, if not THE biggest.


I agree with you this time Estebanus.
IT aside, a lot of people expected ME franchise to be a cornerstone of the videogames as a storytelling medium.
That's why it's being compared to a novels, movies, plays, and not to another video games.

Perhaps we started off on the wrong foot, But I became interested on your idea about the endings from literal point of view (or literature pov maybe). ^_^

I can understand the literature part, but not the literal part, since I have no specific views on the ending. Anything is still a possibility at this point, I've just become more sceptic of the IT (and some of the evidence it puts forward). 

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estebanus wrote...

tangythang wrote...

estebanus wrote...
In that case, most likely no one would remember ME3 positively anymore, or any Mass Effect game for that matter. The series would've already gone down in history as one of the biggest wasted potentials in the story of videogaming, if not THE biggest.


I agree with you this time Estebanus.
IT aside, a lot of people expected ME franchise to be a cornerstone of the videogames as a storytelling medium.
That's why it's being compared to a novels, movies, plays, and not to another video games.

Perhaps we started off on the wrong foot, But I became interested on your idea about the endings from literal point of view (or literature pov maybe). ^_^

I can understand the literature part, but not the literal part, since I have no specific views on the ending. Anything is still a possibility at this point, I've just become more sceptic of the IT (and some of the evidence it puts forward). 


I can see where you stand now. I always thought all this bickers and banters were always between those that support IT and those that support the original ending (I thought they're called literalist).

the truth lies somewhere inbetween I guess (I hope)..

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As far as I can tell Estebanus just doesn't like people declaring themselves right instead of trying to push their own view.