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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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KJSync

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Otter :crying:
Welcome back

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zigamortis

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Any news?

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zigamortis wrote...

Any news?


Not really. Most of the day's discussion has been of Skyrim, Shepard/Saren similarities, and "art".

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Another similarity with Saren. The council refered to him as charismatic. But wait. Saren is a renegade. Generally Paragon individuals are charismatic...

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Zigamortis. Okay Levaithan comfirmed, Gamble has some weird tweets that sort of help IT a little, Estebanus is starting his own IT ending, and we are rebuilding IT.

Also Otter is back and I am going back to lucker mode, since I can't post really anything, until I learn how to spell, so I don't make IT looks stupid, or have people call ITers to dum to spell, so ya.

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Saren is Shepard's brother. At first, he was meant to play Garrus's role, but they changed it.

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masster blaster wrote...

and we are rebuilding IT.


What does that even mean? Why would we need to rebuild IT?

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So...I've been gone for...4 days? I've missed somewhere around a hundred pages, anything interesting happen in that time?

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TJBartlemus wrote...

Another similarity with Saren. The council refered to him as charismatic. But wait. Saren is a renegade. Generally Paragon individuals are charismatic...


Eh... sort of. Charisma can be defined as the ability to get along with people, but not always. Shepard has charisma in terms of leadership: people look up to and follow her/him, Paragon OR Renegade. You could say that both (s)he and Saren have that something that makes people follow them without question. Of course, Saren also had indoctrination.

In short, you could just say:

- Have an innate ability to lead/compromise.

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Byne I ment getting IT back on track. Hence why I said rebuild because we are going back to our old ways, and becoming the people we were from the old thread.

Any ways back to lucker mode, so I want embaress IT, and have people laugh at this thread/my family on here.

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Rifneno wrote...

There's two major problems with this.  First, the technology everyone uses that uses/creates dark energy and accelerates the process is stuff the Reapers themselves left behind for them to use.  And the Reapers themselves use it.  It makes no sense.  Also, as you say, they're just plain sick.  With their technology it would be easy enough to cull the masses painlessly.  They can control minds, but they never calm the terror.  They even liquify people when they're fully conscious.  There's way too many things that point to the only logical conclusion being that the Reapers are sadistic monsters who enjoy their crimes.  They are not doing this for any greater good.


I agree. I just thought that outside of ME used in another game it could be a great if worked correctly. They could never have made it work in ME once we knew they consctucted all the tech that would be most dangerous as well as them using dark energy to survive and cull. If they were primarity organic and created tech that didn't damage then it would be a different story. Had they gone with that, I can't even imagine the train wreck it would have been.

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masster blaster wrote...

Byne I ment getting IT back on track. Hence why I said rebuild because we are going back to our old ways, and becoming the people we were from the old thread.

Any ways back to lucker mode, so I want embaress IT, and have people laugh at this thread/my family on here.


You dont have to be a lurker, masster. We're just saying we wouldnt mind if you improved your grammar and spelling a bit. ;)

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

zigamortis wrote...

Any news?


Not really. Most of the day's discussion has been of Skyrim, Shepard/Saren similarities, and "art".


saren would have to be shep's evil twin given the history we have of him from Wrex and Anderson plus the reaper situation. Yet sad as it sounds or is, Saren looks good when put up against Tim of ME3 and last bit of ME2.

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masster blaster wrote...

Zigamortis. Okay Levaithan comfirmed, Gamble has some weird tweets that sort of help IT a little, Estebanus is starting his own IT ending, and we are rebuilding IT.

Also Otter is back and I am going back to lucker mode, since I can't post really anything, until I learn how to spell, so I don't make IT looks stupid, or have people call ITers to dum to spell, so ya.


I don't think IT broke, so it doesn't really need "rebuilding."

And you're spelling isn't a HUGE problem; mostly grammar/sentence structure. Usually, from what I've seen, people can decipher misspelled words, but incoherent sentences are... *cringe*. But, as a lurker, I don't really mind your posts, since I can usually get the general idea. I think the main problem is that you type too fast and don't revise your posts. So, pretty much what Byne said above.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 04:07 .


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Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Here, this is for you guys, because you love symbolism, hidden messages and speculation so much.

No, this is not mockery, it's a wonderful piece of art that I seriously think people like you guys would appreciate.


I find it ironic this guy is linking videos about the illuminati and has problems buying into the IT. Talk about conspiracy theory.....

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@Zephyr - The IT thread isn't broke. It just needed a kick in the pants to get back on track. A kick that Salient was pleased to provide. 

I do think everyone can agree that the thread has declined in quality in the last couple months. Not a big problem, we just need to take it as a wake up call and strive to get the thread back up to it's former quality.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 07 août 2012 - 04:28 .


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Byne it's just that. I don't want anyone to come in here and say that this ITer is stupid because ITers are to dum to spell, and this is why their theory is crazy. I am the weak ITer here, if the Literalist ever get the idea to use what I say about IT, and people will believe it. Since it's coming from an ITer. Besides it's better this way no. No more me, no more off my insaine ideas/ speculations, and maybe Estebanus and a, you, and a lot of others won't get head acks from my post.

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So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to. :unsure:

Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?

Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)

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masster blaster wrote...

Byne it's just that. I don't want anyone to come in here and say that this ITer is stupid because ITers are to dum to spell, and this is why their theory is crazy. I am the weak ITer here, if the Literalist ever get the idea to use what I say about IT, and people will believe it. Since it's coming from an ITer. Besides it's better this way no. No more me, no more off my insaine ideas/ speculations, and maybe Estebanus and a, you, and a lot of others won't get head acks from my post.


I dont think anyone has ever said your spelling is somehow a weak point in the theory, masster.

If they did, that'd just show they cant argue against our ideas and they've fallen back to personal attacks.

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KneeTheCap wrote...

I've been reading the other threads about IT, the debate of it and all. One thing truly boggles my mind, though. What's with all the hate, all the bashing, all the insults? Aren't we all in the same boat as Bioware fans? Why we fight with each others? If you don't believe in IT, you are free to do so. And vice versa. Why fight over it?

And not to go too off-topic, is there anything earth-shattering happened lately since the announcement of the DLC?


I reckon there's a variety of reasons though the most common is probably as simple as jealousy that they didn't think of the idea first (though none would ever admit that is their real issue). Another one might be that if IT is true then some of the good moments during the ending (like the talk with Anderson if he was "saved") might not actually have happened.

And then again some of the anger is just anger for the sake of anger, "I hate the ending and you must hate it too or something must clearly be wrong with you" which is not a totally new perspective for people around here. They don't want us to be happy if they can't be happy too, misery loves company, right? Besides the trendy thing to do is to hate and complain about everything, that's just how society rolls now. Maybe they've had enough bashing of Bioware and are now turning to cannibalise the fanbase instead.

None of this behavious is rational, which is ironic, those who believe in the literal interpretation tend to be less rational than those who believe they've been deceived. "Are we to take dreams as evidence now? How can I defend myself against that?"

Modifié par leonia42, 07 août 2012 - 04:27 .


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Lokanaiya wrote...

So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to. :unsure:

Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?

Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)


If it's the blast from Harbinger, it's possible she'd land on her back. The problem is that there wasn't any rubble directly behind her.

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masster blaster wrote...

Byne it's just that. I don't want anyone to come in here and say that this ITer is stupid because ITers are to dum to spell, and this is why their theory is crazy. I am the weak ITer here, if the Literalist ever get the idea to use what I say about IT, and people will believe it. Since it's coming from an ITer. Besides it's better this way no. No more me, no more off my insaine ideas/ speculations, and maybe Estebanus and a, you, and a lot of others won't get head acks from my post.


Blaster, you have a lot of good ideas, don't leave! You've a valuable member of this group and we would miss you. If you're so worried about people's opinions, even though it doesn't really matter, you can improve yourself and get better at spelling and grammar. We'd all be willing to wait the extra 5 minutes it takes you to use proper spelling/grammar.

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[quote]Lokanaiya wrote...

So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to. :unsure:

Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?

Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)
[/quote                                                                                                                                                      anderson draged shepard off the battle field, while the normandy, or leviathan destractedharbinger. but anderson has to leave shepard inorder to stop the reapers fromcoming after shepard. hence why we see a soldier on the ground, and a another soldier wfighting off husk, as he ties to save the masked soldier. could it be that the soldier is shepard being pulled out off the battle filed, and anderson is fighting off the husk in destroy, while in the other three endings anderson and shepard die. or the reaper use shepards body for their own needs.]

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DrTsoni wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to. :unsure:

Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?

Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)


If it's the blast from Harbinger, it's possible she'd land on her back. The problem is that there wasn't any rubble directly behind her.


I still think the hallucination starts at the transport crash. Maybe the Reapers left mines in the road? Would explain why an explosion came from below, like Loka claims it should have, plus, the area where the transport crashed is pretty dark, and has rubble that kind of looks like the rubble in the breath scene:

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Lokanaiya wrote...

So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to. :unsure:

Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?

Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)


It's not so much the "how" as the "where". The general Idea of IT is that Shep is still incapacitated from Harbinger's beam almost vaporizing him. No one would have to drag him or anything if that is the case.

In the Literalist version, there WAS an explosion, so...