Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!
#6401
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:37
Also I have saused people so much head acks and getting angry at each other because of my random post that I do once and a while.
But I only do it because everyone else does, so why can't I.
#6402
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:38
DrTsoni wrote...
Lokanaiya wrote...
So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to.
Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?
Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)
If it's the blast from Harbinger, it's possible she'd land on her back. The problem is that there wasn't any rubble directly behind her.
Possible, but:
1. The blast from Harbinger might throw Shepard back (although it's unclear how, since it's more of a "disintegrate things" laser.) but not at an angle that would make Shepard land like he is in the breath scene without him first banging something pretty hard.
2. There's a lot of evidence to point towards the dream beginning at the MAKO crash, if not earlier. For instance, the while halo, which is only used for transistions in dreams, appears right after Harbinger shoots Shepard.
#6403
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:39
masster blaster wrote...
Loka I am not leaveing, I am only becoming a lurker, and the only reason why people like me is because i make funny post/ making fun of my grammer/spelling, but that's mine to blame.
Also I have saused people so much head acks and getting angry at each other because of my random post that I do once and a while.
But I only do it because everyone else does, so why can't I.
You mean why cant you post? No one said you couldnt...
#6404
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:42
#6405
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:45
masster blaster wrote...
Byne when ever I do Estebanus is on my case and so are the others. TSA, Either,Rflneno,and a few more others. I can't even get off topic unless they are not around. But it's okay for them to.
They only on your spelling mostly. I dont think they really care if you're off topic too much.
Just try improving your spelling a bit, like I keep saying.
#6406
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:45
masster blaster wrote...
Loka I am not leaveing, I am only becoming a lurker, and the only reason why people like me is because i make funny post/ making fun of my grammer/spelling, but that's mine to blame.
Also I have saused people so much head acks and getting angry at each other because of my random post that I do once and a while.
But I only do it because everyone else does, so why can't I.
You do have a lot of good ideas Blaster, and I wish that you would stay and post when you have something to say, but I suppose it's your choice.
#6407
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:48
But if there is anything new pm me and I will be on my way here.
#6408
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:49
#6409
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:49
Lokanaiya wrote...
DrTsoni wrote...
Lokanaiya wrote...
So, apparently we need more things to speculate on? I have some, but it would be nice if we got some discussion going about it... it's very annoying when you type up posts with new information and they never get responded to.
Anyways, one of my things to speculate on would be how Shepard ended up in the position he's in in the breath scene. As far as I know, the only way for him to be in that position would either be a very conveniently-placed explosion (Looks like it would have to be a bit under him beforehand) or someone dragging him up there and then going out of the camera range, perhaps to fight off Reaper forces. Thoughts?
Later, if we still need speculative material, we can try to determine exactly what was real and what was in Shepard's head. (There's more odd things that don't make much sense than you'd think.)
If it's the blast from Harbinger, it's possible she'd land on her back. The problem is that there wasn't any rubble directly behind her.
Possible, but:
1. The blast from Harbinger might throw Shepard back (although it's unclear how, since it's more of a "disintegrate things" laser.) but not at an angle that would make Shepard land like he is in the breath scene without him first banging something pretty hard.
2. There's a lot of evidence to point towards the dream beginning at the MAKO crash, if not earlier. For instance, the while halo, which is only used for transistions in dreams, appears right after Harbinger shoots Shepard.
That was my problem, too. But if the hallucination does start at that, it'd still knock Shepard back instead of disintigrating her because she's obviously not a pile of ash in the breath scene. Your second point is, of course, very viable, but if it starts at the Mako crash, why does the halo-like transition only appear after Harby shoots Shepard instead of before? I think I may have missed part of that theory so that's an honest question, not a critisism.
Byne made a great point about the rubble, too, so that would support it. I have to admit, I like the idea of that even more with the added Normandy scene - Shepard saying goodbye in his/her mind to those that stood with him/her in the end.
#6410
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:49
masster blaster wrote...
Byne when ever I do Estebanus is on my case and so are the others. TSA, Either,Rflneno,and a few more others. I can't even get off topic unless they are not around. But it's okay for them to.
I don't think anyone's really "on your case." The only time anyone coments on your grammar/spelling is when it is completely illegible, which is reasonable; if you can't understand a statement, you can't respond.
#6411
Posté 07 août 2012 - 04:55
I, for one, will work on compiling evidence and info on IT and the associated interpretations and theories to put into a primer. Not only would such a text help out newcomers, we might be able to find some new connections and perspective.
#6412
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:00
#6413
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:02
TheConstantOne wrote...
Some speculation for everyone. This goes back to the whole Crucible is a trap concept but gives a new take on what "the Catalyst" is.
What if the Reapers deliberately designed the Crucible to augment some component of the Citadel? They would leave past civilizations intact so that, when they invaded, intelligent life would attempt to use the Crucible to save themselves. The thing is, the Crucible is just an extension of the Citadel for some hidden reason. The Reapers true purpose is to build something with the Citadel, but they need intelligent life of variable DNA to make it work. Thus far, no species has been a successful ingredient...until humans came along.
The hypothesis here is that the Catalyst for the Crucible is not the Citadel nor a strange glowing child hologram AI, but rather ***a species***. I'm thinking that the Catalyst just may be humanity.
So, what do you all think about this?
Just reposting this because I think it got overlooked earlier. I know that some have suggested that Shepard is the Catalyst, but the main idea of this post is to illustrate that HUMANITY might be the Catalyst
#6414
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:03
CoolioThane wrote...
Sorry for being alive Salient.
Do you ever have anything intelligent to contribute to this thread or is everything a snide remark about how everything must be about you personally?
Archer was dead on, between the off-topic banter and the snarky attitudes, one has to dig deep to find the speculations around here. For a casual reader, you have to wade through five pages of crap for every nugget of good stuff and even most of the good stuff has been discussed ad nauseum before.
I know some of you guys read this thread every day but not every poster does and a little more respect for the casual observer might go a long way in getting positive recognition of the theory. Otherwise you'll keep getting those stupid trolls and flame bait posts from everyone that thinks ITists are loonies (well, you'll stilll get those but it wouldn't hurt to get less of them).
#6415
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:03
Hrothdane wrote...
The problem right now is waiting for Leviathan. I get the feeling many people don't want to speculate too much at the moment out of fear that it will just get proven wrong by the end of the month.
I, for one, will work on compiling evidence and info on IT and the associated interpretations and theories to put into a primer. Not only would such a text help out newcomers, we might be able to find some new connections and perspective.
Not to crush your plan, but I believe such document you speak of is almost done being created. I would know. I worked partially on it. It is really in depth in detail and pretty impressive. It potentially could be the very IT Codex we have been waiting for. :happy:
#6416
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:05
#6417
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:06
BlazingZephyr wrote...
Sort of off topic: So, I exited to the Campaign Discussion page and decide to go ahead and count how many IT-hate/ridicule comments I could find on the first pages of threads of the front discussion page. It wasn't pretty: 1-2 full threads making fun of/against IT, and over 75 IT-ridicule comments. Those are just on first pages. Damn, are we hated.
How dare we interpret a game differently than they do!
#6418
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:07
TJBartlemus wrote...
Hrothdane wrote...
The problem right now is waiting for Leviathan. I get the feeling many people don't want to speculate too much at the moment out of fear that it will just get proven wrong by the end of the month.
I, for one, will work on compiling evidence and info on IT and the associated interpretations and theories to put into a primer. Not only would such a text help out newcomers, we might be able to find some new connections and perspective.
Not to crush your plan, but I believe such document you speak of is almost done being created. I would know. I worked partially on it. It is really in depth in detail and pretty impressive. It potentially could be the very IT Codex we have been waiting for. :happy:
Nice. I wasn't sure if anyone had actually gotten on that task yet, so I must have missed that part of the thread. I might write something anyways just to help organize my own thoughts.
#6419
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:08
#6420
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:10
#6421
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:12
#6422
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:12
byne wrote...
BlazingZephyr wrote...
Sort of off topic: So, I exited to the Campaign Discussion page and decide to go ahead and count how many IT-hate/ridicule comments I could find on the first pages of threads of the front discussion page. It wasn't pretty: 1-2 full threads making fun of/against IT, and over 75 IT-ridicule comments. Those are just on first pages. Damn, are we hated.
How dare we interpret a game differently than they do!
I think the most telling experience is when I told one of my RL friends about Chris calling IT a "valid interpretation," he replied:
"That...hurts."
He had given up all hope for IT after the EC came out and was afraid of getting his hopes up once again.
I feel from many of the anti-IT comments I see that many others feel the same way, and I think they just are dealing with it in a slightly unhealthy way. No reason to take it personally.
#6423
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:14
clennon8 wrote...
Yeah, you can't even mention IT outside of this thread without 99 people immediately pointing their fingers at you and laughing.
Hell, on most of the threads, no one even mentioned IT until one guy uses it to make fun of something/someone else. Then everyone just jumps on the bandwagon, making fun of us.
And Hroth, I wasn't taking it personally, just being disappointed in BSNers.
Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 05:15 .
#6424
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:14
I'll inform you all when its uploaded.
It will move you and make you cry.
#6425
Posté 07 août 2012 - 05:15
He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".




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