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[umadcommander]

401 Kill wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

IT just confirmed by Mike Gamble on Twitter.

Does this prove IT?

winning

[DaveTheRave05]

byne wrote...

Kesak12 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Speaking of headaches from a couple of pages ago. Coincidence? Half the people at work called off Friday the majority of them for headaches. BioWare you're indoctrinating our workforce

Mabye thats why i have this headache today. Bioware is indoctrinating me through the internet.

I literally cannot think of single day over the past few years where I havent had a headache at some point during the day.

It kind of sucks.

Indoctrinated presence detected! Activating security protocol!

*shuts down*

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

 Home > 2012 ICD-10-CM Diagnosis Codes > Injury, poisoning and certain other consequences of external causes S00-T88 > Other and unspecified effects of external causes T66-T78 >Adverse effects, not elsewhere classified T78- >
T78.8XXA…… initial encounterT78.8XXD…… subsequent encounterT78.8XXS…… sequela

the rest of the section is about food allergies. But there's on on just effects not otherwise specified. The above. Indoctrination doesn't currently have a medical code

Of course it doesn't because that would require hospitalization of millions of people right away.

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Kesak12 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Speaking of headaches from a couple of pages ago. Coincidence? Half the people at work called off Friday the majority of them for headaches. BioWare you're indoctrinating our workforce

Mabye thats why i have this headache today. Bioware is indoctrinating me through the internet.

I literally cannot think of single day over the past few years where I havent had a headache at some point during the day.

It kind of sucks.

One of the three in this video is byne...

[CmdrShep80]

paxxton wrote...

What do all those codes have to do with IT?

well 2 things. 

1- the founders were doctors and would know these codes
2- if they really intended indoctrination to use the T78 ICD 10 code then that means everywhere we see those signs it's warning us of indoctrination. Think of all the creepy areas on the Normandy. Is there one of those signs near it?

On Omega there was that sign plus a falling on your head sign. Move in more you hear Cerberus shout that the adjutant (who can indoctrinate others) is loose and it tosses a Cerberus soldier out the window

plus the irony of that sign plus the WRNG sign and the headphones/glasses signs and the wave forms

if you notice there tends to be creepy things happening every time the signs are nearby or an equivalent sign. 

[byne]

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

Kesak12 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Speaking of headaches from a couple of pages ago. Coincidence? Half the people at work called off Friday the majority of them for headaches. BioWare you're indoctrinating our workforce

Mabye thats why i have this headache today. Bioware is indoctrinating me through the internet.

I literally cannot think of single day over the past few years where I havent had a headache at some point during the day.

It kind of sucks.

One of the three in this video is byne...

>Ash claims killing geth gets rid of headaches
>Destroy kills all the geth
>No more headaches ever

Yet another reason to pick destroy.

[CmdrShep80]

Soooo in the end it can help boost why we think Shepard is becoming or just is indoctrinated

[Fur28]

Restrider wrote...

byne wrote...

Kesak12 wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Speaking of headaches from a couple of pages ago. Coincidence? Half the people at work called off Friday the majority of them for headaches. BioWare you're indoctrinating our workforce

Mabye thats why i have this headache today. Bioware is indoctrinating me through the internet.

I literally cannot think of single day over the past few years where I havent had a headache at some point during the day.

It kind of sucks.

One of the three in this video is byne...

how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

>Ash claims killing geth gets rid of headaches
>Destroy kills all the geth
>No more headaches ever

Yet another reason to pick destroy.

No, that means you won't have them for a bit, then you won't be able to stop them at all.

[BansheeOwnage]

Fur28 wrote...


how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

It's actually just a setting. I turned by graininess off.

[Restrider]

I'm out for today...

[OneWithTheAssassins]

demersel wrote...

That was weird - finished the Geth consensus mission... Had a talk with Joker about whether or not Shepard really got out and how would he know. The strange thins - EDI did NOT say "Ican confirm this is the real world" thing.
And I took her to that mission as a squadmate!

I'm scared. ))

You guys just knowdest that? I've gotten that on every playthrough I've done. I didn't even know EDI could enter the conversation until someone mentioned it here.
I wonder what the requirements are?

[401 Kill]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

It's actually just a setting. I turned by graininess off.

I find the game unplayable without that setting turned off.

[CmdrShep80]

Plus I should say there's no in game explanation for the signs. You would think it would be included so we know what they mean. But then a lot of games do this. The difference here is this is an RPG. An RPG where details matter. So who installed the signs everywhere? Would be nice to know the first instance in the trilogy of those signs.

[CmdrShep80]

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

It's actually just a setting. I turned by graininess off.

I find the game unplayable without that setting turned off.

+1 I don't like film grain and will turn them off if I have the option to do so

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Plus I should say there's no in game explanation for the signs. You would think it would be included so we know what they mean. But then a lot of games do this. The difference here is this is an RPG. An RPG where details matter. So who installed the signs everywhere? Would be nice to know the first instance in the trilogy of those signs.

Could you give an example of a place where T78 appears?

[MaximizedAction]

401 Kill wrote...

RussianZombeh wrote...

IT just confirmed by Mike Gamble on Twitter.

Does this prove IT?

Nice!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 10 décembre 2012 - 12:03 .

[paxxton]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

It's actually just a setting. I turned by graininess off.

I find the game unplayable without that setting turned off.

+1 I don't like film grain and will turn them off if I have the option to do so

+2 and motion blur sucks too.

[TJBartlemus]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


how did that look so ummm clean, ME1 is supposed to look grinny

It's actually just a setting. I turned by graininess off.

I find the game unplayable without that setting turned off.

+1 I don't like film grain and will turn them off if I have the option to do so

Meh. I prefer to go classic Mass Effect. Even though that means I have to suffer through annoyances... 

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 10 décembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[demersel]

Restrider wrote...

Another dent in the Bad Writing Theory, I like it.

By the way - did you get that part - Allince raided the facility  - ? 

that means that Allince is as likely to be indoctrinated as Batarians are (and it happened before ME2 so it had a long time to take effect)  - and Batarians we know to be indoctrinated. 

[paxxton]

What are you talking about?

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Plus I should say there's no in game explanation for the signs. You would think it would be included so we know what they mean. But then a lot of games do this. The difference here is this is an RPG. An RPG where details matter. So who installed the signs everywhere? Would be nice to know the first instance in the trilogy of those signs.

Could you give an example of a place where T78 appears?

A screenshot perhaps?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Restrider wrote...

The best part is, people complaining that the community has better ideas for story threads...
I mean, COME ON!
That story was obviously intended by the writers, but only implemented in a very subtle way, that only the observant player would notice. They community did not invent that story thread!

This is what I was saying before where there are people that just really suck at analysis, and putting two and two together. It gets absolutely ridiculous.

401 Kill wrote...
I understand why Mike Gamble cussed out that guy now. I wouldn't look down upon him if he pulls a Buzz Aldrin and punches the next guy who says that to his face.

Hopefully that doesn't happen. Most of the people that tote their hate and disappointment around on the forums have already given the rest of the fandom a bad enough name.

[Rifneno]

byne wrote...

I literally cannot think of single day over the past few years where I havent had a headache at some point during the day.

It kind of sucks.

Seriously, you should talk to a doctor about that. If they're that frequent, it could be high blood pressure or something.

[BansheeOwnage]

@Krimzie here is the Wall It'll probably screw up the formatting, so I may have to edit it.


Pass or Fail?: The Extended Cut

Note: I will refer to the child using his original title: The Guardian. I will also include information about the Leviathan DLC in this. If you don’t want spoilers, don’t read the marked sections.

So, I decided to try to objectively asses the performance of the Extended Cut DLC to see how it stacked up in actuality compared to their promises. That said, I know some will be subjective, so feel free to disagree, but I’m writing this from my point of view. I also want to note that this is strictly written from a literal point of view, so no IT, WNT, or other alternate-reality interpretations apply here. For the most part, this is not trying to persuade you to pick certain choices, nor will it touch the moral and ethical debates about the choices.
What did the EC promise? Simple. 2 things: For us to be able to see the consequences of our choices on the galaxy, and to provide additional closure.

Part I: Impacts of choices: The EC, in my opinion, did an merely adequate job of showing the impacts. It was passable, though a lot of parts were vague.

Destroy: Basically Hackett’s entire speech is vague. He doesn’t mention the Geth or EDI once. Why not? They have to die in this ending, supposedly. So why not mention them. On that note, why doesn’t he mention Shepard? I shouldn’t even have to say this. There is even a low EMS version of this ending, where Shepard dies. He doesn’t mention Shepard’s sacrifice in the low EMS version, and doesn’t mention any of his/her achievements is high EMS. How do you have an ending to a trilogy like this and not even mention the main character in the end speech? He also states quite confidently about how they can rebuild. When did they learn how to make mass relays? In fact, I remember a certain asari matriarch who suggested studying them, and she was essentially laughed at, which makes sense, considering the relays are reaper tech; the reapers wouldn’t want any organics to learn their secrets. So we can assume there has been next to no studying of relays. How would the decimated survivors be able to study and build them? A better question: how would they coordinate linking the relays, without the communication necessary to do so? The Crucible is a weapon battery precise enough to change the “matrix” of synthetic and organic life down to the DNA, yet it can’t target only reapers in destroy? Really? Levy spoilers: I don’t know about you, but I think the leviathans are just as dangerous as the reapers. With the reapers gone, and the galaxy in utter ruins, this is a perfect opportunity for the leviathans to retake their former throne. Since there are no slides involving leviathans (why?) we can only guess at what happens, adding to the vagueness of this choice. [/Levy spoilers]

Control: This one probably wins for being explained the best. It is much better in EC than it was originally. It definitely still has some vague elements though. For instance: does Shepard replace the Guardian, or just exist at the same time? If he betrayed his creators, who’s to say he won’t betray Shepard too? The Guardian stated that he was the “collective intelligence of all reapers”. Does this mean when Shepard becomes the new reaper-guiding AI, that (s)he becomes the reapers? Or does it mean Shepard kills the reapers and personally uses all of their bodies? Does Shepard simply replace the Guardian and the reapers simply obey him/her? An interesting question: If the crucible does not discriminate, and therefore targets all synthetics in destroy, this leaves us with 2 options.

1. Shepard also controls the Geth, as well as EDI, because the control beam will not discriminate and will target all synthetics. If the destroy beam also destroys/disables VI systems as well as ships and weapons as stated by the Guardian., that would also mean Shepard should basically control all starships and computers, as well as weapons. That’s a lot of power for one entity.

2. The crucible does in fact discriminate, and will only target reapers. This in turn means the Guardian was lying to you.

Levy spoilers: We really have no idea how powerful the leviathans are, but we do know they can destroy a sovereign-class reaper with their minds. I can see how this could be problematic for Shepard in control. I also think they would employ thralls to counter Shep-reapers, seeing as how they are essentially the same as normal reapers. Not good. [/Levy spoilers]

Refuse: This is an extremely vague ending “choice”. It raises about as many questions as synthesis. The reason many people can’t really achieve consensus about this ending is because it is too vague to make conclusions about. I mean, it itself is vague as a choice, because we a lot of stuff is implied to happen, but we don’t get to see anything. For instance, what does Shepard do after refusing to activate the crucible? Does (s)he just stand there, watching the allied fleets get destroyed? It’s well established that Shepard’s radio is acting extremely inconsistently is the ending, but why doesn’t Shepard try to contact Hackett at any point? It can be assumed that everyone dies in this ending, but it does not show anything. No heroic last stands of important characters, no fleets being destroyed save one shot of a reaper destroying an alliance vessel. The only way to know what for sure what happens in this ending, is to look through the game files to show all squadmates being dead. That’s not what I would call a clear ending. It is not clear why the Guardian continues to fight the fleets if he wants Shepard to choose an option. Even if Shepard refused, why wouldn’t he just get any other person to do it? How did Liara (especially if she’s dead) manage to have the time capsules say that the Crucible didn’t work? How would she even know that? If it fired, but didn’t kill the reapers, it would be logical to assume it didn’t work. However, for all anyone but Shepard knows, the crucible, for whatever reason, simply didn’t fire. That’s no reason to say that. How did the next cycle defeat the reapers? I know Mike Gamble said that, they use the crucible, but that is a fallacy. Also, Twitter =/= canon. Here's how I see it:


1. The next cycle used the crucible to beat the reapers. Which option did they pick? They didn’t pick synthesis (no glowing things), so presumably destroy. But it's so vague. We fought a battle (and lost horribly) so the next cycle could win 50000 years later? Makes no sense. Plus if they used the crucible to beat them that just makes refuse pointless. Actually, that means in half of the endings (destroy and refuse) Shepard is too stubborn to accept their enemies logic...


2. How did they use the crucible? It's completely implausible that the reapers would allow them to come anywhere near that end. They even knew about its existence “several cycles ago” and failed to eliminate the evidence. Logic would dictate they would try much harder next time. This leaves 2 possibilities:
A. The crucible is of reaper design, used every cycle to trick the resistance. They next cycle then uses that reaper tech. Great idea.
B. The reapers are retarded and even though they failed at hiding the crucible before, they didn't learn from their mistakes and let the next cycle use it?

3. Ignore Gamble; they didn't use the crucible. Basically impossible. The vanguard would not let them amass such an enormous fleet large enough to take on the reaper armada.

4. They only reason the council cycle did so well was because of Shepard, Sovereign's failures, and a lot of luck. The reapers wouldn't let that happen again.
 
5. Levy spoilers: I’ll let you all wonder how the Leviathans existing and their heavy influence would do to this. [/Levy spoilers]
 
Synthesis: It is close to refuse in terms of vagueness, but probably takes the cake for Most vague ending ever. Of all time™. It doesn’t do a good job showing how synthesis actually changes things, besides adding green circuit boards to everything. How does it work? There isn’t even a codex entry on this attempting to explain it. What are its actual impacts, besides, apparently, creating instant utopia? Are plants sentient now? If not, then is it saying plants could never become sentient? What about the Thorian? And if plants do become sentient, what does that do to herbivores? Are they murdering other sentient life when they eat? The same can now be asked about all life. How do we eat anything, if we’re murdering it? Or does synthesis make food no longer a necessity? Or, once again, is it implying certain things just can’t evolve? That’s not how evolution works. Nor does evolution just stop as soon as we get circuit boards. If synthesis doesn’t make all humans able to see in infrared, use echo-location, or grow gills then it is not the end of evolution. I don’t even think there is an end to evolution. Maybe we don’t need to breath anymore in synthesis? EDI also mentioned that the reapers, and the species that they are based on, are now connected to all of us. Does that remind anyone of indoctrination? This would also contradict what Shepard said earlier about this topic.

“You-– Whatever species you came from, before the reapers decided to preserve them? They’re dead. They died thousands of years ago. *Reaper dies* And now they can rest in peace.” – Shepard

So was Shepard wrong, and the reapers do actually preserve species properly? Or was the Guardian wrong? If the latter is true, we should doubt much more than just that thought. Many questions.

Levy spoilers: Again, we have no slides of the leviathans, so we can only guess as to what they would try to do in synthesis. I am going to take a wild guess here and say they would definitely not appreciate being “synthesized”. They already consider themselves to be an “apex race”. Seeing as they are an “apex race”, and care not for any “lesser” species, one could assume they would attempt to regain their former authority. Like EDI said, all races are now supposed to be “connected”. To me, that just sounds like an easier way for the Leviathans to hijack people’s minds. I don’t think they’d like being connected to lesser species either. [/Levy spoilers]

What about the Synthehusk™? Is it, not to mention other reaper thralls like banshees, a part of galactic society now? What about the reapers? If we believe the Guardian about synthesis working, and the reapers actually being benevolent saviours, then we should also believe what Sovereign said about the reapers being at the “pinnacle of evolution”. Or should we just pick and choose what parts of what the reapers tell us to believe? If “synthesis is the final evolution of all life” according to the Guardian, then what how could the reapers, who are already there, be elevated?

One more question among many, and perhaps the most important one: Does synthesis change the way people think; rewrite them? I believe the short answer is yes, based on in-game evidence. Since there are many, many, many, quotes from characters stating they would only accept the reapers if they were dead, I’ll only cite what I thought to be the most important ones.

“Dead reapers are how we win this.” – Hackett

“Because the Reapers are repulsive. They are dedicated to nothing but self-preservation. I am different.” – EDI

“I am here to fight the Reapers. That is my purpose. My only purpose.I am the avatar of vengeance, the last voice of a dead race. I will avenge my people, no matter the cost.” – Javik
I chose these because, as far as I can remember, it is impossible to achieve synthesis with low enough EMS to have squadmates die, therefore Javik must survive. EDI and Hackett also must survive. What do squadmates think of being rewritten?

“If you change who someone is, how they think, you have killed them. They will be something new in the same body.” – Samara

“That sounds dangerously close to indoctrination, unless there’s something I’m missing.” – Garrus
And perhaps the most applicable, seeing as how synthesis seems to create a utopia:

“If you screwed with my head, made me nod and smile at everything... I’d rather you blew my head off. Let me die as me.” - Jack

My point is, synthesis is a no win scenario. If it does not rewrite people, then Javik, Hackett, logically EDI, and many others would continue to fight the reapers. If they do not, they are rewritten and are therefore dead. As you can see, synthesis now raises more questions, and answers few. Not exactly what I’d call viewing the impacts of our choices.

So what do you think? For the first part of EC’s promises, showing the consequences of our choices, does EC pass or fail?

Part II: Providing additional (any) closure: I can actually represent this half using some numbers, but we’ll get to that. Probably the most wanted thing in the extended cut was more closure. I for one, just wanted to see my little blue babies, and I know I’m not alone. I’ve spoken to many people, and virtually all of them said they don’t even care how nonsensical the ending is anymore; they just want closure and be done with it. Personally I don’t think that’s too much to ask at all, so let’s get started in actually discussing how well the EC did in fixing this problem.

By the numbers: I am going start my analysis by simply stating whether or not each squadmate had a slide, in
reverse order.

ME3: Liara: NO

Garrus: NO

Tali: NO

EDI: NO, although she is featured heavily in Synthesis and dead in destroy
Javik: NO (Personal note: This one really bothered me because he has 3 possibilities for things he would do after the war.)

Ashley: NO

Kaidan: NO

James: NO

ME2: Legion: NO, but is dead

Mordin: YES

Jack: YES, 2

Grunt: YES, but not in synthesis (?)

Thane: NO, but is dead

Samara: YES, 2

Jacob: YES, 2

Miranda: YES, 2

Kasumi: YES, 2

Zaeed: YES (Personal note: I loved his slide. If there is one thing I’ve heard after the EC, it’s “What the hell was up with the slides? Zaeed’s was awesome though!”

Morinth: NO, but is dead.

ME1: Wrex: YES

So, out of 20 squadmates, only 9 have slides. That’s a whopping 45% Bioware. Nice. Let’s remove the ones who have to die. – Legion, Thane, and Morinth. 9/17 is still only 53%. Come on Bioware; you can do better than that!

Now, I know the ME3 squadmates were in the Shepard memorial scene. Well that’s all well and good, but that scene says less (for them) than a slide does. The slides at least give us a glimpse of what the characters do after it’s all said and done. That scene simply shows that they are mourning for Shepard. That’s not a glimpse at what they will do. At least, I hope they won’t spend all of their collective time doing that. The part that really gets me though, is some of the stuff that was easily foreshadowed or plainly said. Like Javik. He had 3 different outcomes. He would either travel to his comrades’ graves and commit suicide, become King of the Hanar™ or write a book with Liara. There you go; 3 easy slides. Not sure why those weren’t made. You could even say that Garrus helping to rebuild (with a hammer) was foreshadowed, or that he would become a primarch. Of all the squadmates, EDI gets the most closure because of her speech in synthesis. But that is only one ending. Why isn’t she in control? Is it because control affects all synthetics like I mentioned above? I mean, I like EDI – but I would prefer to have seen some closure of some of the squadmates I have been with since ME1. Can you believe Wrex is the only ME1 squadmate with a slide? Wrex is awesome too, but what about a slide of my LI? Is that too much to ask?

Some of the closure felt a bit forced too. This is just me, but the fact that EDI is the only squadmate to get any real closure is odd, considering she is only a squadmate in ME3. The other thing I thought was forced was that Coats is the first slide in all endings. What? Coats isn’t even a squadmate, nor is he a character we have all known and trusted for years. In-game, he was only introduced in the second-last mission and is kind of forced on us until the end. This is especially odd when you consider that he can be seen dead on the citadel without flycam.

I lost my train of thought here, so...

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 10 décembre 2012 - 12:18 .