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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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401 Kill wrote...

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If there is a romance dlc, what's Jacob's thing going to be? That he left you and STD?

FemShep- "Uh, I don't know how to tell you this Jacob, but your gonna be a father."

Jacob- "Yeah I know! Me and Brynn... I will have a family."

FemShep- "No Jacob, you got me pregnant too."

Jacob- "I need to go, uhhhhhh, help these people evacuate the facility."


That would be hilarious.

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401 Kill wrote...

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You know what the odds of a romance DLC are? It won't happen, unless an IT reveal and proper epilogue count.

Go IT!

For the Squadies!!!



+∞

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paxxton wrote...

By the way, notice that Harbinger responds to that soldier command to fall back to the buildings. She gave away their position.

It is kind of weird that Harby leaves when the Alliance says "retreat."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

This is really good!

Faved.

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Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

By the way, notice that Harbinger responds to that soldier command to fall back to the buildings. She gave away their position.

It is kind of weird that Harby leaves when the Alliance says "retreat."


Its also weird that after spending all of last game ordering his minions to preserve Shepard's body, he just leaves her lying there on the ground.

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demersel wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

You still want to destroy the reapers in refuse. You just don't do anything.

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Yet it is a mystery why you don't do it if you still want to, given that you actually can do just that right this instant. 


Well, you can't -- you can perform the "in dream" action, that allegedly has that effect; but at the end of the day NONE of the four choices have the outcomes we are presented with -- those would be Shepard's extended, endorphine-fuelled reasoning (reasoning also weighted by judging your amassed resources, which determines your confidence, which is why you can "die" in your daydream, if it seems likely that would happen) and self-justification, behind their choice. I believe most of us have been in a few real-life situations, where we, after having made an important choice of some sort, have found ourselves running through our decision, over and over, for some time, including extrapolating how we think they'll play out. In this case, I'd say Shepard is also being manipulated on a hormone production level, rewarding uncritical thinking - you're still right in there, in your happy-rush, mind you, even if you DID see though the ruse -- hence the illusion being there for every choice.
The shown actions are not real, of course, but metaphorical to Shepard's "persuasion" for the moment (bad choice of words, but I'm at loss for better, at the moment).
I am fairly sure you agree on that part and would be just as likely to lecture me on it, as my redundantly doing it now.

In my more facetious moments, I like to think that Shepard's just_standing_there, after rejecting the proffered choices and thereby making her own, is her enjoying the lightshow, knowing full well that it's just smoke and mirrors. That's stretching it, given the presentation, but what the heek... :7

I, too, used to see Destroy as Shepard's own addition to the tableau (well, they all are, really; each representing some seed of reasoning already present, but some more than others and some more reaper-sanctioned than others), but it never did sit right with me; It has the same flavour of: "the end justifies the means", as Starbinger's justification for his "solutions" - I had to close my eyes really hard to see it as anything other than just another slight moral compass deviation, towards one that parallels that of the Reapers, so when the Extended Cut gifted me "Opt Out" (which I assess very different to you), that perfected IT for me.

There are reasons (mostly legacy) why I still regard Destroy as beating indoctrination, but for me Refusing is the real thing - more on the nose, with less jumping through logical hoops.

I have my arbitrary interpretation and you have yours -- hopefully at the one year anniversary we'll learn whether one, or maybe both, in any way matches that of Casey and Mac. :)

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Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Javik. So he can see how synthetics and organics can get along (peace).

And so he can hear Tali profess her love for Shepard. "Mating between species. A pointless exercise."

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

This is really good!

I still prefer this one. But you're right, it's really good.

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byne wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...

By the way, notice that Harbinger responds to that soldier command to fall back to the buildings. She gave away their position.

It is kind of weird that Harby leaves when the Alliance says "retreat."


Its also weird that after spending all of last game ordering his minions to preserve Shepard's body, he just leaves her lying there on the ground.


He was late for a poker game with Darkseid and the Arishok.

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demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Team Dextro!

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demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Some Engineer with good Hacking skills. Legion?

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 12:46 .


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demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?


How should we know without knowing what class you are? Garrus has overload right? He sounds good.

I never pay attention to who I bring since I'm a vanguard. I'd go alone if I could.

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401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Javik. So he can see how synthetics and organics can get along (peace).

And so he can hear Tali profess her love for Shepard. "Mating between species. A pointless exercise."


Heh.  He doesn't say that with Liara.  "You are... bonded with the asari?"  "You could say that."  "I didn't.  Your pheromones did."

I just stared at the scene thinking, "did Javik just tell me I smell like sex? :?"

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paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Some Engineer with good Hacking skills. Legion?


Well ****, if we can recommend characters from previous games, I say Wrex. He's a good tank.

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Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Javik. So he can see how synthetics and organics can get along (peace).

And so he can hear Tali profess her love for Shepard. "Mating between species. A pointless exercise."


Heh.  He doesn't say that with Liara.  "You are... bonded with the asari?"  "You could say that."  "I didn't.  Your pheromones did."

I just stared at the scene thinking, "did Javik just tell me I smell like sex? :?"

Javik only says that if you bring him on the Geth dreadnaught. Later in the game he will say: "You and the Quarian are... Joined?" and then the conversation will happen the same way.

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Some Engineer with good Hacking skills. Legion?


Well ****, if we can recommend characters from previous games, I say Wrex. He's a good tank.


Why limit it to ME?  Take Anders.  He has some... explosive offense.

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It's all about the Sentinel brrrrraaapppp

Yeah, the more and more I think about it...how on Earth can Bioware's canon not be Destroy...and as it stands, they can't make anything after ME3 sequels-wise because of the choices.

Therefore, the expansion pack shows how each choice affects the indoctrination of Shepard and leads to a proper ending that allows a true sequel to occur. The expansion ends with a subtle cliffhanger alluding to a potential new enemy ;)

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I'm an infiltrator. So i really have nothing to worry combat wise.

My thoughts - Garrus, cause team dextro + they were my buds to fight the human reaper in ME2, and strangly - Javik. (cause i promised him the next reaper we get to kill, mainly) + possibly EDI, cause i really dig her outfit from AltApp pack1

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401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Javik. So he can see how synthetics and organics can get along (peace).

And so he can hear Tali profess her love for Shepard. "Mating between species. A pointless exercise."


Heh.  He doesn't say that with Liara.  "You are... bonded with the asari?"  "You could say that."  "I didn't.  Your pheromones did."

I just stared at the scene thinking, "did Javik just tell me I smell like sex? :?"

Javik only says that if you bring him on the Geth dreadnaught. Later in the game he will say: "You and the Quarian are... Joined?" and then the conversation will happen the same way.


I think Javik likes Tali, even if he'd never admit it. Tali knows it. Plus there was that one time where he randomly said that even in his cycle, the quarians were considered attractive.

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jojon2se wrote...

I have my arbitrary interpretation and you have yours -- hopefully at the one year anniversary we'll learn whether one, or maybe both, in any way matches that of Casey and Mac. :)

Hopefully we can stand together, as a fanbase on Tuesday, March 5th, 2013. We can remember it as the day that we overcame our differences and achieved a common goal. A day we realized that petty fighting and standing apart would gain us nothing. Hopefully, we will see our pyrrhic victory that we all hoped for, and together, we will step forward once more onto the battlefield, and reap the rewards of our collective effort.

I hope to see you all there, with me. I'll see you when it's time!

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Rifneno wrote...

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

Guys, need advice - who is the best squadmate to take on the final rannoch mission?

Some Engineer with good Hacking skills. Legion?


Well ****, if we can recommend characters from previous games, I say Wrex. He's a good tank.


Why limit it to ME?  Take Anders.  He has some... explosive offense.


I'd like Anders more if he had stayed like he was in Awakening. He's far too serious in DA2.

Also, his desire to break away from the Chantry kind of came out of nowhere. He was against it in Awakening.

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Really OT.

If Bioware released a DLC where you could bring any squaddie from ME2 along with you, I would pick Thane by far.

"You're the only friend I've made in ten years." always gets me.

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401 Kill wrote...

Really OT.

If Bioware released a DLC where you could bring any squaddie from ME2 along with you, I would pick Thane by far.

"You're the only friend I've made in ten years." always gets me.


I'd bring either Grunt or Jack. Hell, Jack's new outfit even has those lights that indicate where weapons go despite never using a weapon in ME3. Its almost like they intended her to be a squadmate then never actually followed through.

Modifié par byne, 10 décembre 2012 - 01:01 .


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401 Kill wrote...

Really OT.

If Bioware released a DLC where you could bring any squaddie from ME2 along with you, I would pick Thane by far.

"You're the only friend I've made in ten years." always gets me.

Posted Image Then again, he would die anyway, so I'd pick someone else. Legion is one of the most interesting characters in ME, so I may pick him.