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[paxxton]

[byne]

And Paxxton, if I see you trying that **** again, I will report you for spamming. At least when Masster used to do it, he didnt do it just to do it.

[Big_Boss9]

paxxton wrote...

Plus, no Prothean was left in cryo to confirm what Vigil relayed to us.

Except without Vigil's help, Sovereign's plan would've succeeded and the Reapers would've arrived at the Citadel as they always did. Vigil not working after Shep's convo is a story convenience to prevent confirmation of the Reapers' existence to the galaxy at large. If anything, what Vigil tells you fits within IT/Literal Destroy. Understanding them is irrelevant, destroying them is all that matters, etc.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 10 décembre 2012 - 03:58 .

[paxxton]

But I had important stuff to say in those posts.

[401 Kill]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Plus, no Prothean was left in cryo to confirm what Vigil relayed to us.

Except without Vigil's help, Sovereign's plan would've succeeded and the Reapers would've arrived at the Citadel as they always did. Vigil not working after Shep's convo is a story mechanic to prevent confirmation of the Reapers' existence to the galaxy at large.

Plus, Vigil was out of power. You can only survive for 50,000 years for so long.

[demersel]

Another wierd sound on the normandy - is the sound of those gaming machines from Flux, back in Mass Effect 1.

[paxxton]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Plus, no Prothean was left in cryo to confirm what Vigil relayed to us.

Except without Vigil's help, Sovereign's plan would've succeeded and the Reapers would've arrived at the Citadel as they always did. Vigil not working after Shep's convo is a story convenience to prevent confirmation of the Reapers' existence to the galaxy at large.

Maybe. But it would be quite surprising to learn that Vigil was tampered with by the Reapers and they left it over for the next cycle to be fed with some BS. The Reapers might have simulated Sovereign's failure and Shepard's fight and decided to sacrifice Sovereign to make an illusion of victory. Remember that one datapad on Noveria (as early as in ME1) already mentioned human colonists being abducted. The Reapers had a greater plan.

[DoomsdayDevice]

I don't think these voices in the war room mean anything. It's just ambience.

I noticed the lines you guys were talking about, and that absolutely doesn't sound like Coats or Shepard to me. Donnely I couldn't hear.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

Another wierd sound on the normandy - is the sound of those gaming machines from Flux, back in Mass Effect 1.

Nice but still my question remains. What do the voices (not sounds from Flux) mean for IT? Those are mostly video chats and people talking in the War Room.

[spotlessvoid]

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

[Big_Boss9]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I don't think these voices in the war room mean anything. It's just ambience.

I noticed the lines you guys were talking about, and that absolutely doesn't sound like Coats or Shepard to me. Donnely I couldn't hear.

I agree. Interesting vid but I don't think it leads anywhere.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[Lokanaiya]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I don't think these voices in the war room mean anything. It's just ambience.

I noticed the lines you guys were talking about, and that absolutely doesn't sound like Coats or Shepard to me. Donnely I couldn't hear.

Did you use headphones? Because, from my perspective, Coat's accent and Meer's voice are pretty distinctive and I don't see how it could be anything else.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

And Paxxton, if I see you trying that **** again, I will report you for spamming. At least when Masster used to do it, he didnt do it just to do it.

C'mon! Sometimes you're such a party pooper, byne. And as I said I had important info to post.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I don't think these voices in the war room mean anything. It's just ambience.

I noticed the lines you guys were talking about, and that absolutely doesn't sound like Coats or Shepard to me. Donnely I couldn't hear.

No it isn't - they were not there before! 

Explain Donnelly's "nothing to report" in there then? 

Modifié par demersel, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

And Paxxton, if I see you trying that **** again, I will report you for spamming. At least when Masster used to do it, he didnt do it just to do it.

C'mon! Sometimes you're such a party pooper, byne. And as I said I had important info to post.

It was all about Vigil, so it could have gone in one post.

Also, the fourth one was just the number 4.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Lokanaiya wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

I don't think these voices in the war room mean anything. It's just ambience.

I noticed the lines you guys were talking about, and that absolutely doesn't sound like Coats or Shepard to me. Donnely I couldn't hear.

Did you use headphones? Because, from my perspective, Coat's accent and Meer's voice are pretty distinctive and I don't see how it could be anything else.

Yes, I did, and no, Coats absolutely doesn't sound like that, IMO.

I did hear the creepy Reaper 'laughter' in the dream video though (the gameplay one), you can hear it in the last minute or so - near the end, and the "serve us" sound (for lack of a better description) was spammed all the way throughout it. I'm going to play it myself and see if I can hear it, just to make sure it wasn't just edited into that video.

[Lokanaiya]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

They would sacrifice 50,000 years and allow the younger races access to advanced technology (such as the Thanix cannons, which are some of the most effective weapons against Reapers) all to allow the younger races to believe they had won when Sovereign would have easily had the Citadel Relay open and the galaxy taken by surprise had Vigil not given Shepard&Co the program? It doesn't really add up.

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

Explain Donnelly's "nothing to report" in there then? 

It's just a voice, in a comm room. It makes complete sense for something like that to be said. Even if they re-used a line from Donnelly.

I didn't hear Donnelly, but what was supposed to sound like Coats and Shepard totally doesn't sound like it, IMO, sorry.

There's better stuff to find, I'm sure.

[paxxton]

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

They would sacrifice 50,000 years and allow the younger races access to advanced technology (such as the Thanix cannons, which are some of the most effective weapons against Reapers) all to allow the younger races to believe they had won when Sovereign would have easily had the Citadel Relay open and the galaxy taken by surprise had Vigil not given Shepard&Co the program? It doesn't really add up.

It seems to not making any sense at all, right? That's why it's a brilliant plan for the Reapers to execute against unsuspecting Organics. The Reapers simulated every possible outcome and decided on the most optimal path to victory.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:19 .

[Big_Boss9]

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

They would sacrifice 50,000 years and allow the younger races access to advanced technology (such as the Thanix cannons, which are some of the most effective weapons against Reapers) all to allow the younger races to believe they had won when Sovereign would have easily had the Citadel Relay open and the galaxy taken by surprise had Vigil not given Shepard&Co the program? It doesn't really add up.

Yeah, arriving at the seat of the galactic government en masse, shutting down all the relays, and cutting the galaxy off in sectors is an infinitely greater plan than how things panned out. Sorry, paxxton, I just don't see it. While I don't necessarily agree with the "Vendetta has been tampered with" arguments, at least those have some meat. You're just making supposition after supposition without any clear evidence. And again, Vigil makes it perfectly clear that stopping the Reapers is all that matters.

paxxton wrote...

It seems to not making any sense at all, right? That's why it's a brilliant plan for the Reapers to execute against unsuspecting Organics.The Reapers simulated every p[ossible outcome and decided on the most optimal path to victory.

It doesn't make any sense because it's stupid.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

I never said anything about sentimental. I just think given the replacement rate for Reapers that they aren't going to be so cavalier in losing them

[paxxton]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

paxxton wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I doubt the Reapers would so readily sacrifice a Sovereign class Reaper.

They don't consider it that way. For them it would be part of the plan. No tears shed.

They would sacrifice 50,000 years and allow the younger races access to advanced technology (such as the Thanix cannons, which are some of the most effective weapons against Reapers) all to allow the younger races to believe they had won when Sovereign would have easily had the Citadel Relay open and the galaxy taken by surprise had Vigil not given Shepard&Co the program? It doesn't really add up.

Yeah, arriving at the seat of the galactic government en masse, shutting down all the relays, and cutting the galaxy off in sectors is an infinitely greater plan than how things panned out. Sorry, paxxton, I just don't see it. While I don't necessarily agree with the "Vendetta has been tampered with" arguments, at least those have some meat. You're just making supposition after supposition with any clear evidence. And again, Vigil makes it perfectly clear that stopping the Reapers is all that matters.

paxxton wrote...

It seems to not making any sense at all, right? That's why it's a
brilliant plan for the Reapers to execute against unsuspecting Organics.
The Reapers simulated every p[ossible outcome and decided on the most
optimal path to victory.

It doesn't make any sense because it's stupid.

Well, what I say does balance between fan fiction and interpretation.

The Reapers knew in advance Sovereign would fail.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:21 .

[spotlessvoid]

If it wasn't for Shepard, who had not yet made his presence felt, Sovereign would have succeeded

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

If it wasn't for Shepard, who had not yet made his presence felt, Sovereign would have succeeded

But they already knew it thanks to the simulation. It was down to individual atoms and DNA. They simulated his entire life. In fact they simulate the whole Galaxy like that all the time.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 04:30 .