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[Arian Dynas]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

byne wrote...

Since the word you tried to use is censored for no reason, we tend to use the phrase 'Grammar National Socialist'

That is fraking hilarious. Why on earth....? Nevermind, I don't want to know. I'm just gonna leave this:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

They're everywhere.

[Nightingale]

leonia42 wrote...

And thinking more on the "This is it", if it is to be taken in the literal context and Liara knows Shepard is about make a choice and probably die.. how does she know?!

For that matter, why is everyone so convinced at FOB that the end is coming up? Nobody knows what that beam does, only that it's ominous. I didn't get such a long string of emotional goodbyes before the Suicide Mission and we knew that was meant to end badly for the entire plot (they did keep calling it a suicide mission).

Always feels like something big is missing during Priority: Earth, something we aren't privy to but everyone else is.

The Crucible was their hope, it was what they were working for. Nobody seemed to believe we could defeat the Reapers without it and it was either going to get destroyed or activated then and there, but they needed to get someone onto the Citadel to open the arms. To do that, they needed to get to the beam. Since it's connected to the Citadel, I suppose they just assumed it would take them there (which is stupid, but whatever). Everyone believes it's the end because it is the end, one way or the other.

As for the big, emotional goodbye...I think that was more for the player and Shepard than for the story. Of course they believe it's the end, and there's a huge possibility that they will all die (they're in the middle of Reaper controlled territory, going up a beam to even more Reaper controlled territory to activate a device they're still not exactly sure will work or what it will do) so naturally they want to say goodbye. Just in case.
In any case, it's the end of Shepard's story. Players would have been even more outraged if they didn't even get the chance to say goodbye to the characters. As little "closure" as people complained about, at least there was some with the goodbyes.

[Macross]

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Ive always been wondering why Anderson (when hes talking to TIM while under his control) looks at YOU and says "there controling YOU!".

He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".

Whoa, excellent point. I need to watch that scene again now.

here it is...Its 50 seconds in.

While you're at it, go to 1:22. The Shadows, man! It's so obvious!

EDIT: I had the wrong "your." I am so ashamed.

I want to say something about this "they're controllin you" proof.
While I'm an ITer, this proof does not work for me. While the camera angle might look like Anderson is looking at Shepard. He is in fact not. That camera angle does not represent where Shepard is. Anderson is merely looking at TIM in an awkward angle b/c he is having a hard time moving his body since TIM is controlling his movements.
Take a look at this vid at around 9:30
www.youtube.com/watch

KevShep didn't say he was looking at Shep, he said that Anderson was looking at the player. If you look at the scene at where he says it you can see Anderson's eyes look over TIM's shoulder and direcetly into the camera. 

[Rifneno]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

byne wrote...

Since the word you tried to use is censored for no reason, we tend to use the phrase 'Grammar National Socialist'

That is fraking hilarious. Why on earth....? Nevermind, I don't want to know. I'm just gonna leave this:

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

My favorite part is that the group's name is censored, but not their infamous leader's.

[Z3R0D3A7H]

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Ive always been wondering why Anderson (when hes talking to TIM while under his control) looks at YOU and says "there controling YOU!".

He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".

Whoa, excellent point. I need to watch that scene again now.

here it is...Its 50 seconds in.

While you're at it, go to 1:22. The Shadows, man! It's so obvious!

EDIT: I had the wrong "your." I am so ashamed.

I want to say something about this "they're controllin you" proof.
While I'm an ITer, this proof does not work for me. While the camera angle might look like Anderson is looking at Shepard. He is in fact not. That camera angle does not represent where Shepard is. Anderson is merely looking at TIM in an awkward angle b/c he is having a hard time moving his body since TIM is controlling his movements.
Take a look at this vid at around 9:30
www.youtube.com/watch

Unfortunately you cannot use this flycam footage to prove or debunk anything. Each shot is in essence a new set. Characters and cameras are refreshed in real time, and are placed in order to capture the desired look. So you would need to use the "filmed" shots to provide the placement of the characters in there relative positions. This would be the Director's vision = what is seen through the lens. 

[FreddyCast]

Macross wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Ive always been wondering why Anderson (when hes talking to TIM while under his control) looks at YOU and says "there controling YOU!".

He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".

Whoa, excellent point. I need to watch that scene again now.

here it is...Its 50 seconds in.

While you're at it, go to 1:22. The Shadows, man! It's so obvious!

EDIT: I had the wrong "your." I am so ashamed.

I want to say something about this "they're controllin you" proof.
While I'm an ITer, this proof does not work for me. While the camera angle might look like Anderson is looking at Shepard. He is in fact not. That camera angle does not represent where Shepard is. Anderson is merely looking at TIM in an awkward angle b/c he is having a hard time moving his body since TIM is controlling his movements.
Take a look at this vid at around 9:30
www.youtube.com/watch

KevShep didn't say he was looking at Shep, he said that Anderson was looking at the player. If you look at the scene at where he says it you can see Anderson's eyes look over TIM's shoulder and direcetly into the camera. 

What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

[BlazingZephyr]

FreddyCast wrote...
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What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

Actually, the idea is that Bioware is "controllin' YOU."

[FreddyCast]

Z3R0D3A7H wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Ive always been wondering why Anderson (when hes talking to TIM while under his control) looks at YOU and says "there controling YOU!".

He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".

Whoa, excellent point. I need to watch that scene again now.

here it is...Its 50 seconds in.

While you're at it, go to 1:22. The Shadows, man! It's so obvious!

EDIT: I had the wrong "your." I am so ashamed.

I want to say something about this "they're controllin you" proof.
While I'm an ITer, this proof does not work for me. While the camera angle might look like Anderson is looking at Shepard. He is in fact not. That camera angle does not represent where Shepard is. Anderson is merely looking at TIM in an awkward angle b/c he is having a hard time moving his body since TIM is controlling his movements.
Take a look at this vid at around 9:30
www.youtube.com/watch

Unfortunately you cannot use this flycam footage to prove or debunk anything. Each shot is in essence a new set. Characters and cameras are refreshed in real time, and are placed in order to capture the desired look. So you would need to use the "filmed" shots to provide the placement of the characters in there relative positions. This would be the Director's vision = what is seen through the lens. 

Neither can you reasonable use this as proof for IT, since Andy and TIM are jumping all around in that scene. Some have said that even though Andy is not actually looking at the player/Shep, it was the intent of the dev team to make Anderson look as if he is lokking at the player/Shepard. But that just doesn't fly with me.

[FreddyCast]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
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What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

Actually, the idea is that Bioware is "controllin' YOU."

Then what does this proof have to do with the IT, since Shep is the focus of the indoctrination attempt, not just us.

[BlazingZephyr]

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
]
What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

Actually, the idea is that Bioware is "controllin' YOU."

Then what does this proof have to do with the IT, since Shep is the focus of the indoctrination attempt, not just us.

Well, assuming IT was planned (not sure it was), WE are being indoctrinated in a sense.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. There are other speculations in the sea.

Modifié par BlazingZephyr, 07 août 2012 - 06:35 .

[FreddyCast]

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
]
What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

Actually, the idea is that Bioware is "controllin' YOU."

Then what does this proof have to do with the IT, since Shep is the focus of the indoctrination attempt, not just us.

Well, assuming IT was planned (not sure it was), WE are being indoctrinated in a sense.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. Thare are other speculations in the sea.

Sure enough. There are plenty of other proofs more reliable to the IT

[Leonia]

DrTsoni wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

And thinking more on the "This is it", if it is to be taken in the literal context and Liara knows Shepard is about make a choice and probably die.. how does she know?!

For that matter, why is everyone so convinced at FOB that the end is coming up? Nobody knows what that beam does, only that it's ominous. I didn't get such a long string of emotional goodbyes before the Suicide Mission and we knew that was meant to end badly for the entire plot (they did keep calling it a suicide mission).

Always feels like something big is missing during Priority: Earth, something we aren't privy to but everyone else is.

The Crucible was their hope, it was what they were working for. Nobody seemed to believe we could defeat the Reapers without it and it was either going to get destroyed or activated then and there, but they needed to get someone onto the Citadel to open the arms. To do that, they needed to get to the beam. Since it's connected to the Citadel, I suppose they just assumed it would take them there (which is stupid, but whatever). Everyone believes it's the end because it is the end, one way or the other.

As for the big, emotional goodbye...I think that was more for the player and Shepard than for the story. Of course they believe it's the end, and there's a huge possibility that they will all die (they're in the middle of Reaper controlled territory, going up a beam to even more Reaper controlled territory to activate a device they're still not exactly sure will work or what it will do) so naturally they want to say goodbye. Just in case.
In any case, it's the end of Shepard's story. Players would have been even more outraged if they didn't even get the chance to say goodbye to the characters. As little "closure" as people complained about, at least there was some with the goodbyes.

I'm grateful for the goodbye scenes, not trying to put those down. It just seemed odd that everyone was so sure that the point of no return had been reached, as a gamer we know we're in the endgame but it sort of breaks the immersion a bit when the NPCs know it too. Maybe it wasn't that odd given the stakes of the war and how heavily it relied on activating the Crucible (ugh) but still feels to me like certain scenes are missing altogether.

[Macross]

@Freddy. By having Anderson say this to the audience, it's not a foreshadow or a what ever, it's a direct hint from the developers to the audience.

Look, if Anderson was being completely controlled they wouldn't have needed to have him turn around and if they wanted Anderson to look at Shepard well Anderson was already doing just that. But instead of doing that they had Anderson physically turn to TIM, except when he goes to say it he looks at the audience. Why? If it's not important than why have the character not look at Shepard or TIM? Even if Anderson couldn't turn fully towards TIM why have him look directly into the Camera and not off into the distance?

Remember Mass Effect (And especially 3) are cinematic games, the cut scenes all look like their from films but not just that, they're made with the intent of doing that. In film's or television or really anything on screen, to have a character look directly into the Camera and say something is just jarring and in many cases breaks suspension of disbelief (it makes it appear as if the Character has awareness of his medium). But sometimes you do it intentionally to gain the audiences attention or focus or if you want them to take a more active part in the story of the narrative (which feels like a redundant idea in a Video Game- but i mean this in more of a sense of taking part in the narrative away from the medium it self, say speculating on the internet). A good example I can think of is the ending to Who Shot Mr.Burns Part One, where it appears like Dr. Hibert is pointing at the audience when asking who could solves this (although it turns out to be that he was point at Wiggum, it has the same affect, especially with the competition that was run between both episodes).

Anyway, the whole looking at the Camera is done with intent by the developers to often show there is something more going then what appears and this is especially true in video games because looking at the camera can't be an accident.

Modifié par Macross, 07 août 2012 - 06:48 .

[Leonia]

There's all sorts of wonkiness in the positions of the characters in that scene, if they wanted the player to be spoken to directly they would have been far more obvious about it and we wouldn't be trying to guess at all, it would just be self-evident which leads me to believe that wasn't intentional.

[Galifreya]

Macross wrote...

@Freddy. By having Anderson say this to the audience, it's not a foreshadow or a what ever, it's a direct hint from the developers to the audience.

Look, if Anderson was being completely controlled they wouldn't have needed to have him turn around and if they wanted Anderson to look at Shepard well Anderson was already doing just that. But instead of doing that they had Anderson physically turn to TIM, except when he goes to say it he looks at the audience. Why? If it's not important than why have the character not look at Shepard or TIM? Even if Anderson couldn't turn fully towards TIM why have him look directly into the Camera and not off into the distance?

Remember Mass Effect (And especially 3) are cinematic games, the cut scenes all look like their from films but not just that, they're made with the intent of doing that. In film's or television or really anything on screen, to have a character look directly into the Camera and say something is just jarring and in many cases breaks suspension of disbelief (it makes it appear as if the Character has awareness of his medium). But sometimes you do it intentionally to gain the audiences attention or focus or if you want them to take a more active part in the story of the narrative (which feels like a redundant idea in a Video Game- but i mean this in more of a sense of taking part in the narrative away from the medium it self, say speculating on the internet). A good example I can think of is the ending to Who Shot Mr.Burns Part One, where it appears like Dr. Hibert is pointing at the audience when asking who could solves this (although it turns out to be that he was point at Wiggum, it has the same affect, especially with the competition that was run between both episodes).

Anyway, the whole looking at the Camera is done with intent by the developers to often show there is something more going then what appears and this is especially true in video games because looking at the camera can't be an accident.

I don't remember who on the BioWare team said this, if it was any of them, but the idea is, that the camera itelf is a character in the Mass Effect series. That might even be in the official guide? Forgive me. 3 in the morning and all. I can't remember sources right now.

[Simon_Says]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

The problem right now is waiting for Leviathan. I get the feeling many people don't want to speculate too much at the moment out of fear that it will just get proven wrong by the end of the month.

I, for one, will work on compiling evidence and info on IT and the associated interpretations and theories to put into a primer. Not only would such a text help out newcomers, we might be able to find some new connections and perspective.

Not to crush your plan, but I believe such document you speak of is almost done being created. I would know. I worked partially on it. It is really in depth in detail and pretty impressive. It potentially could be the very IT Codex we have been waiting for. :happy:

Well what d'ya know. I was working on one myself, based off one of my earlier posts. It's not complete yet. It's big, it's bloated and I haven't even started working on some parts but... yeah. I declare a duel. May the best primer win!

Please take a look at the work I've managed so far.

Maybe we can all get together and work on it collaboratively?

Modifié par Simon_Says, 07 août 2012 - 07:08 .

[KevShep]

FreddyCast wrote...

Z3R0D3A7H wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Ive always been wondering why Anderson (when hes talking to TIM while under his control) looks at YOU and says "there controling YOU!".

He does not look at TIM when he says this(go and look, he doesnt), he looks at the camera (player) and says it and puts more on the word "you".

Whoa, excellent point. I need to watch that scene again now.

here it is...Its 50 seconds in.

While you're at it, go to 1:22. The Shadows, man! It's so obvious!

EDIT: I had the wrong "your." I am so ashamed.

I want to say something about this "they're controllin you" proof.
While I'm an ITer, this proof does not work for me. While the camera angle might look like Anderson is looking at Shepard. He is in fact not. That camera angle does not represent where Shepard is. Anderson is merely looking at TIM in an awkward angle b/c he is having a hard time moving his body since TIM is controlling his movements.
Take a look at this vid at around 9:30
www.youtube.com/watch

Unfortunately you cannot use this flycam footage to prove or debunk anything. Each shot is in essence a new set. Characters and cameras are refreshed in real time, and are placed in order to capture the desired look. So you would need to use the "filmed" shots to provide the placement of the characters in there relative positions. This would be the Director's vision = what is seen through the lens. 

Neither can you reasonable use this as proof for IT, since Andy and TIM are jumping all around in that scene. Some have said that even though Andy is not actually looking at the player/Shep, it was the intent of the dev team to make Anderson look as if he is lokking at the player/Shepard. But that just doesn't fly with me.

 Camera angles are often used as a tool to make a point/theme/statment without words. It clearly looks like Anderson is looking at the player at a conveinent time during the word "YOU".

Modifié par KevShep, 07 août 2012 - 07:10 .

[Dr JaMiN]

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

[RavenEyry]

Dr JaMiN wrote...

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

Being satisfied by EC. At least I'd be happy.

[Dr JaMiN]

RavenEyry wrote...

Dr JaMiN wrote...

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

Being satisfied by EC. At least I'd be happy.

Well, I have to admit that I love that happy-go-lucky synthesis husk. Its self awareness is endearing.

[BansheeOwnage]

Dr JaMiN wrote...

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

Being satisfied with EC was the funniest.

Anyway, I'm going to bed!

[Starbuck8]

Dr JaMiN wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Dr JaMiN wrote...

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

Being satisfied by EC. At least I'd be happy.

Well, I have to admit that I love that happy-go-lucky synthesis husk. Its self awareness is endearing.

Lol funny poll. And you're right, synthehusk truly brought a tear to my eye. Quite beautiful.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 07 août 2012 - 08:00 .

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Dr JaMiN wrote...

Hey fellow IT-ers, I made a poll you might like. http://social.biowar...23/polls/37899/

Being satisfied with EC was the funniest.

Anyway, I'm going to bed!

Dammit Banshee, and I was going to ask you what you thought about the latest RvB episode!

[XxDarkTimexX]

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

FreddyCast wrote...
]
What's the difference. When other ITers bring this up, they always mean Shepard when they say that Anderson is looking at the player.

Actually, the idea is that Bioware is "controllin' YOU."

Then what does this proof have to do with the IT, since Shep is the focus of the indoctrination attempt, not just us.

Well, assuming IT was planned (not sure it was), WE are being indoctrinated in a sense.

Anyway, it's not a big deal. Thare are other speculations in the sea.

Sure enough. There are plenty of other proofs more reliable to the IT

well there's the whole galaxy Cji where the beams come out of the viper nebual and not the local cluster