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[dorktainian]

lol at heretic....once a troll always a troll

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

You're again stating your view as fact, clearly not interested in reasonable discussion, and the majority of your two posts were insults that attempted to cause an angry response.

If that's how you precieve my posts than you have a serious problem. Stop victimizing yourself.

You're trolling, and I'm done talking to you. Good day.

That's what you said last time too. and the time before that... and the time before that.


And the time before that.

[CoolioThane]

Pathetic.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

lol at heretic....once a troll always a troll

lol at dorktainian, once a dork, always a dork.

[Rifneno]

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something this morning. But I see someone left the door unlock and trollboy wandered back in.

[The Heretic of Time]

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something this morning. But I see someone left the door unlock and trollboy wandered back in.

What is there to discuss anyway? Haven't you folks already scrutinized the entire Mass Effect franchize and came to the conclusion that everything is proof for IT? What else is left to discuss?

[KyreneZA]

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something this morning. But I see someone left the door unlock and trollboy wandered back in.

Discuss anyway. If we don't feed it, it'll eventually wander away.

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

lol at heretic....once a troll always a troll

lol at dorktainian, once a dork, always a dork.

zzzzzzzzzzzz sorry did you say something? 

[Restrider]

jojon2se wrote...

Well, you can't -- you can perform the "in dream" action, that allegedly has that effect; but at the end of the day NONE of the four choices have the outcomes we are presented with -- those would be Shepard's extended, endorphine-fuelled reasoning (reasoning also weighted by judging your amassed resources, which determines your confidence, which is why you can "die" in your daydream, if it seems likely that would happen) and self-justification, behind their choice. I believe most of us have been in a few real-life situations, where we, after having made an important choice of some sort, have found ourselves running through our decision, over and over, for some time, including extrapolating how we think they'll play out. In this case, I'd say Shepard is also being manipulated on a hormone production level, rewarding uncritical thinking - you're still right in there, in your happy-rush, mind you, even if you DID see though the ruse -- hence the illusion being there for every choice.
The shown actions are not real, of course, but metaphorical to Shepard's "persuasion" for the moment (bad choice of words, but I'm at loss for better, at the moment).
I am fairly sure you agree on that part and would be just as likely to lecture me on it, as my redundantly doing it now.

In my more facetious moments, I like to think that Shepard's just_standing_there, after rejecting the proffered choices and thereby making her own, is her enjoying the lightshow, knowing full well that it's just smoke and mirrors. That's stretching it, given the presentation, but what the heek... :7

I, too, used to see Destroy as Shepard's own addition to the tableau (well, they all are, really; each representing some seed of reasoning already present, but some more than others and some more reaper-sanctioned than others), but it never did sit right with me; It has the same flavour of: "the end justifies the means", as Starbinger's justification for his "solutions" - I had to close my eyes really hard to see it as anything other than just another slight moral compass deviation, towards one that parallels that of the Reapers, so when the Extended Cut gifted me "Opt Out" (which I assess very different to you), that perfected IT for me.

There are reasons (mostly legacy) why I still regard Destroy as beating indoctrination, but for me Refusing is the real thing - more on the nose, with less jumping through logical hoops.

I have my arbitrary interpretation and you have yours -- hopefully at the one year anniversary we'll learn whether one, or maybe both, in any way matches that of Casey and Mac.

I couldn't have worded it better.
The only downside to Refuse in the moment is the lack of a breath scene. The whole scenes after the decision are in my view still a form of hallucination, justifying the decision and providing Shepard with hope for the future.
Still, I really like the feel of Refuse in regards to IT.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something-----

Any thoughts on what the next DLC could be about? Could be anything, but from what we know of how many writers are on it, that could at least point to something in the lore of the game already. Something that hasn't been expanded on yet, if not something IT related.

[TheProtheans]

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

[Fur28]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something-----

Any thoughts on what the next DLC could be about? Could be anything, but from what we know of how many writers are on it, that could at least point to something in the lore of the game already. Something that hasn't been expanded on yet, if not something IT related.

 i think there should be two dLCs left, and the citadel and the keepers are the only things i can think about that hasn´t been expanded yet

Modifié par Fur28, 10 décembre 2012 - 11:49 .

[dorktainian]

i thought the citadel wasnt real?

[dark_secret7]

Food for thought:
After all of the vitriol, the unrest caused by the IT controversy, all of the perceived so-called "ending hate" that non-ITers think we have towards Bioware, don't you think Bioware would have shut us down by now? If we're really such a negative and hateful force, wouldn't we have been silenced? Threads and "forum movements" have been shut down for less - take the whole BSN "romance wars" as an example. Fact is, they love us, and we love them - in fact, we think that they're more brilliant than they've been letting on. True or not, we've put them on a map. From a certain perspective one could say "there's no such thing as bad PR". What remains to be seen is whether they allow us to exist here out of corporate mentality, or out of pride - this is why I still believe in IT (or at least, something ending related coming to us in the future). Because we've been good for them, and vice versa. I trust that they'll take care of the fans that love them most. Even if it may not be in the way we all think - clearly we must be on to SOMETHING.

[The Heretic of Time]

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

Indeed. 

IT will never die though. If the next DLC doesn't confirm IT, the DLC after that will. And if no DLC confirms IT, than ME4 will certainly confirm IT. And if ME4 doesn't confirm IT to be true, than ME5 most certainly will.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Fur28 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something-----

Any thoughts on what the next DLC could be about? Could be anything, but from what we know of how many writers are on it, that could at least point to something in the lore of the game already. Something that hasn't been expanded on yet, if not something IT related.

 i think there should be two dLCs left, and the citadel and the keepers are the only things i can think about that hasn´t been expanded yet

There's always that Dark Energy subplot from ME2, though not sure how they'd go about fleshing that out. From what I heard it originally had something to do with the Reapers but the plot was dropped in favor of what we have now from Reaper backstory.

I remember they were working on the Palaven mission but had to drop it for whatever reason during development and replaced it with the Manae moon mission. Possible they could have us visit the turian home world for some war asset or another.

[Fur28]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

Indeed. 

IT will never die though. If the next DLC doesn't confirm IT, the DLC after that will. And if no DLC confirms IT, than ME4 will certainly confirm IT. And if ME4 doesn't confirm IT to be true, than ME5 most certainly will.

you forgot ME6:P

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Don't read it then. Simple.

[dark_secret7]

And hey, I'll pay for it. I'm not a paid DLC hater. Not if I can get what I want
Choice has a cost. I'll pay for a fourth, fifth, whatever it takes. It's not as if I don't love it anyway.

[TheProtheans]

Fur28 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

Indeed. 

IT will never die though. If the next DLC doesn't confirm IT, the DLC after that will. And if no DLC confirms IT, than ME4 will certainly confirm IT. And if ME4 doesn't confirm IT to be true, than ME5 most certainly will.

you forgot ME6:P

The next trilogy will be a dream, ending with a giant cliff hanger.
Mass effect 7 will be Shepard waking up.

[Fur28]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Aww hell. I was looking forward to discussing something-----

Any thoughts on what the next DLC could be about? Could be anything, but from what we know of how many writers are on it, that could at least point to something in the lore of the game already. Something that hasn't been expanded on yet, if not something IT related.

 i think there should be two dLCs left, and the citadel and the keepers are the only things i can think about that hasn´t been expanded yet

There's always that Dark Energy subplot from ME2, though not sure how they'd go about fleshing that out. From what I heard it originally had something to do with the Reapers but the plot was dropped in favor of what we have now from Reaper backstory.

I remember they were working on the Palaven mission but had to drop it for whatever reason during development and replaced it with the Manae moon mission. Possible they could have us visit the turian home world for some war asset or another.

or it could be like Leviathan and have missions in various planets
The reason i believe the keeper DLC should be next, is because of the release of ME1 in the PS3, so people could do the keeper scanning mission and learn more, the keeper presence isn´t big in ME2 & 3

[Fur28]

TheProtheans wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

Indeed. 

IT will never die though. If the next DLC doesn't confirm IT, the DLC after that will. And if no DLC confirms IT, than ME4 will certainly confirm IT. And if ME4 doesn't confirm IT to be true, than ME5 most certainly will.

you forgot ME6:P

The next trilogy will be a dream, ending with a giant cliff hanger.
Mass effect 7 will be Shepard waking up.

dont be silly:P, no company survives that much with EA, and people call ITers dummies

[The Heretic of Time]

TheProtheans wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

There is nothing note worthy to discuss, they already discussed all of their delusions and now they just spam this thread with senseless postings about how "something" "something" something boring.

Though I await to see them discuss how new DLC adds to IT.

Indeed. 

IT will never die though. If the next DLC doesn't confirm IT, the DLC after that will. And if no DLC confirms IT, than ME4 will certainly confirm IT. And if ME4 doesn't confirm IT to be true, than ME5 most certainly will.

you forgot ME6:P

The next trilogy will be a dream, ending with a giant cliff hanger.
Mass effect 7 will be Shepard waking up.

Of course. You're absolutely right. And if Shepard doesn't wake up in ME7, than perhaps in ME8? Or else in ME9. Yeah, that must be it. ME9 will be the game where BioWare finally reveals to us that we've been indoctrinated all along! The question is: Would anyone still give a f*ck? Aside from the hardcore ITers I mean.