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[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Protheans. The trick to successful trolling is subtlety.

Yeah, he should reaslly take some ques from me- i've been successfully trolling the IT thread for more than six months now. 

Now you can't do it anymore since you burnt your cover.

[RavenEyry]

demersel wrote...
Yeah, he should reaslly take some ques from me- i've been successfully trolling the IT thread for more than six months now. 

So that's where all the crazy comes from:D

[paxxton]

Byne, what's your opinion on this?

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

I mean this one ; http://social.biowar.../index/15224788

Mind-blowing!!!

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

Byne, what's your opinion on this?

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

I mean this one ; http://social.biowar.../index/15224788

Mind-blowing!!!

Its interesting I suppose. I dont know if I buy it.

[jojon2se]

Norlond wrote...
I like the outside-the-box idea, but the main reason why I think refuse is not a good option is the no-conventional-victory thing
I would like to see Shep doing the impossible again, but it's highly unlikely this time

And the Stargazer scene always confuses me, I don't know what to think of it yet

I'd just like to point out that Refuse in no way precludes a non-conventional approach.

Just because "RefSheps" are leery about allowing their desperate
situation and fears make them succumb to the sweet temptation of the
dubious, badly
researched, supposed insta-win buttons, that are shoved under their
faces, sporting instructions from the self-confessed reaper overlord, each presenting a nice glossy advert, with just the /slightest/ of concessions, in fine print; that doesn't mean that they can't use the /real/ crucible later on, once its true function has been sussed out and/or maybe it has been repurposed in some way.
...or even write the whole thing of as a loss, if that particular avenue proves a dead end and start anew, trying to find /another/ unconventional method -- the refusing Shepard commits to doing things the hard way, if necessary, foregoing the false easy solutions - /this/ is certainly not where there is any  giving up.

Indoctrination works best if it can "flow" with the momentum of your own strongest convictions and just gently nudge their vectors in tiny, barely discerneable, steps, from ever shifting "new starting points", as opposed to try to stop them short in their tracks, or entirely supplant them; This regardless of what they are. They could, just for example, involve concepts like: "the benevolent guiding hand", "a desire to save everybody", or "one hard and decisive strike".
Yes; somebody trying to indoctrinate would be /quite/ foolish to overlook the most prevalent traits, maybe even tunnel-vision, of his subject - instead; those are the ones he would try to play on - maybe get them so completely fixated on something (like, say, the Crucible), they become blinded to options.
...so the "this is what we came for" argument never worked for me.

It would even be kind of fitting and poetic, to my mind, if each path to Reaper mindset alignment had its own (potential) avatar in this way: Synthesis: Saren, Control: The Illusive Man, Destroy: Shepard.


When the Extended Cut was announced, it was said that things that were planned for later, were put on the speed-track for the EC. Now, please hear me out here; you don't have to agree - I'm only one-quarter doing it, myself.

I COULD see Bioware making /all/ the original options leading to indoctrination, with a plan to only add a way out as part of the reveal.
This would have had two advantages:
 - The forced choice between bad options would have provided everybody an opportunity for introspection. (...and did, I suppose; only it, quite predictably really, immediately turned sour, with the usual politically primed, entrenched philosophical mudslinging, instead of humble musings.)
 - After the reveal, nobody would be in a position to act the bad winner.

If Refuse is infact such a way out and not just another mind trick, its premature release has unfortunately ruined that whole setup somewhat.


Now; to defuse that whole wall of blather, here's a nice bit of crackpot for you:

What if Reaper Synthesis takes THREE components: The synthetic reaper shell, one /servant/ race from the current cycle and one /ruler/ Leviathan; and the Levvies are actually standing in line to have their respective suit fitted?    (Nevermind we see Levvies taking out Reapers :9)

[RavenEyry]

I can't get on xbox live because mum can't remember the security question. I really don't want to call tech support.

First world porblems have struck again.

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Byne, what's your opinion on this?

paxxton wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

I mean this one ; http://social.biowar.../index/15224788

Mind-blowing!!!

Its interesting I suppose. I dont know if I buy it.

I think it's very persuasive. If Leviathan orbs appear in ME1, it means there's something big going on under the hood. Leviathans watched everything from the beginning.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Protheans. The trick to successful trolling is subtlety.

Yeah, he should reaslly take some ques from me- i've been successfully trolling the IT thread for more than six months now. 

Now you can't do it anymore since you burnt your cover.

Watch me. 

[RavenEyry]

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

[demersel]

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

Not to me nention that Leviathan's thing is different - it is more like marble ball, and it feel organic - likeleviathan's caviar or something.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 05:58 .

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

No it is nothing like that - leviathans don't need to implant any chips in you to control you - they just control you - and while they do - you don't remember anything. 

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

Not to me nention that Leviathan's thing is different - it is more like marble ball, and it feel organic - likeleviathan's caviar or something.

It doesn't feel like that at all. More like a fortune teller's ball.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

No it is nothing like that - leviathans don't need to implant any chips in you to control you - they just control you - and while they do - you don't remember anything. 

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

[demersel]

paxxton wrote...

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

WOW that is reaching! There is no indication of that AT ALL.

So you say thet the first thing he saw was a reaper and the second, that killed the subject - was leviathan? That is stupid. 

It is either firstthe leviathan second - reaper, or both times the reaper. 
or it could be some aliens like the protheans, and then the reaper (which actually makes the most sense). 

[zigamortis]

Any news on more dlc and what it might be about?

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

No it is nothing like that - leviathans don't need to implant any chips in you to control you - they just control you - and while they do - you don't remember anything. 

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

There's another option.

Oculuses may have been a Prothean creation, which were then used by Collectors and upgraded with Reaper tech.

Thus the savages may have been observed by Protheans, and later attacked by Collectors seeking to wipe out all trace of the Protheans (knowing that they had implanted the humans to monitor them).

[Jaison1986]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

No it is nothing like that - leviathans don't need to implant any chips in you to control you - they just control you - and while they do - you don't remember anything. 

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

Surely, you mean protheans, right? Because during the leviathan time humans didn't even existed yet.

[paxxton]

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

WOW that is reaching! There is no indication of that AT ALL.

So you say thet the first thing he saw was a reaper and the second, that killed the subject - was leviathan? That is stupid. 

It is either firstthe leviathan second - reaper, or both times the reaper. 
or it could be some aliens like the protheans, and then the reaper (which actually makes the most sense). 

First - a Leviathan, second - a Reaper. If he saw a Reaper that means there must've been at least one harvest by then. That's why the war is a fact.

EDIT: I meant that before the first encounter with a Leviathan the savage might've been implanted. But I don't know.

Modifié par paxxton, 10 décembre 2012 - 06:17 .

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

WOW that is reaching! There is no indication of that AT ALL.

So you say thet the first thing he saw was a reaper and the second, that killed the subject - was leviathan? That is stupid. 

It is either firstthe leviathan second - reaper, or both times the reaper. 
or it could be some aliens like the protheans, and then the reaper (which actually makes the most sense). 

First - a Leviathan, second - a Reaper. If he saw a Reaper that means there must've been at least one harvest by then. That's why the war is a fact.

Main problem being the Reaper-Leviathan War was a billion years ago.  Humans didn't exist then.

Only way it would work is if it was the 'blank slate' flashback where it replaces the original species with the one of the observer.

[paxxton]

Jaison1986 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

The sphere is a pretty universal invention. The existence of spheres doesn't necessarilly require leviathan presence.

It becomes less generic when you relate it to similar objects featured in Leviathan DLC. Plus, remember that the description of Shepard's dream in ME1 is eerily reminiscent of Leviathan Enthrallment.

No it is nothing like that - leviathans don't need to implant any chips in you to control you - they just control you - and while they do - you don't remember anything. 

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

Surely, you mean protheans, right? Because during the leviathan time humans didn't even existed yet.

It's not important what species Shepard was. What's key is what species floated in the air.

[paxxton]

Andromidius wrote...

paxxton wrote...

demersel wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard did remember. As for that lump, I have no idea yet. Perhaps the savage was implanted previously by a Reaper. Remember that the dream obviously takes place during the Leviathan-Reaper War.

WOW that is reaching! There is no indication of that AT ALL.

So you say thet the first thing he saw was a reaper and the second, that killed the subject - was leviathan? That is stupid. 

It is either firstthe leviathan second - reaper, or both times the reaper. 
or it could be some aliens like the protheans, and then the reaper (which actually makes the most sense). 

First - a Leviathan, second - a Reaper. If he saw a Reaper that means there must've been at least one harvest by then. That's why the war is a fact.

Main problem being the Reaper-Leviathan War was a billion years ago.  Humans didn't exist then.

Only way it would work is if it was the 'blank slate' flashback where it replaces the original species with the one of the observer.

It started about 40 mln years ago. Harbinger is thought to be about 39 mln yo.

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

It started about 40 mln years ago. Harbinger is thought to be about 39 mln yo.

Do you have any sources for this?

Also, humans still werent around then.

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...
It started about 40 mln years ago. Harbinger is thought to be about 39 mln yo.

"It is unknown exactly how long the galaxy has been subjected to these cycles, but the age of the Leviathan of Dis, an ancient Reaper corpse, indicates that the Reapers have existed for at least a billion years."

http://masseffect.wi...com/wiki/Reaper

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

It started about 40 mln years ago. Harbinger is thought to be about 39 mln yo.

Do you have any sources for this?

Also, humans still werent around then.

They weren't. I never said Shepard was a human in that dream. 40 mln - just an educated guess.