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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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estebanus wrote...
Even if the endings are literal, destroy would really be the only way to go if they wanted to make a sequel, since that's the only way the galaxy keeps its potential for conflict.


And what conflict. Say what you want about the ending, but through Mass Effect 3 Bioware has set themselves up for a treasure trove of possibilities in a potential sequel.

The entire balance of power in the Galaxy has been radically changed and the unstable times which will follow the Reaper war as everyone tries to find their footing again offers some great posibilities for a continuation.

Going from a paragon playthrough of the Mass Effect trilogy we got:
  • The Turians while having been steadfast in the war were hit hard and their fantastic military lies in ruins.
  • The Asari while not hit as fast as the Turians and as such probably suffering fewer losses, they have to stand and answer for the witholding of a Prothean Artifact from the galactic whole.
  • The Salarians largely tried to only protect themselves and will probably pay the price as the war is won without them contributing a large part. They also face problems between the Goverment and Military which could tear them apart form within.
  • The Humans, who though hit as hard as the Turians, were also the ones who made victory possible through the heroic effort of Commander Shepard.
  • A rising power of the Geth and Quarians combined on Rannoch who no doubt will want something to say in galactic politics.
  • The Krogan now cured of the Genophage who will ocne again be rebuilding and become a factor in the galaxy.
  • The Rachni ready to rebuild after having been near extinct.
  • And finally we got the destroyed Batarians whose old habitable planets are now desserted even as the surviving Batarians struggle to rebuild in a galaxy which had a not so friendly view of them.
Add in some Reapers tech drifting around, some Yagh on the rise and the general intsability following a major war and you got one explosive cocktail of galactic politics and shifting power balances.

In my opinion it would be a shame to let such an opputunity and set up for a game go to waste.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:02 .


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 To start off, I finally got my analysis of Arrival done. I have posted my findings in my Evidence entry for those interested. (I will also post it out here in a bit as well...it's actually quite interesting to be honest)

http://social.biowar...87/blog/217245/

I have also started my analysis of ME3 and what I have found so far surprised me.

First off, what got my attention was the transmission from London was surprisingly similar to this one. Sort of odd, but not too much. Maybe the producers wanted the same effect as it did in ME1. I'll put that as possible artistic choice.

Second, as I was running through Vancouver with Anderson a Reaper came down and made a familiar sound. The same sound as the one Harbinger made "speaking" in the EC ending. I have a recording but you have to listen very closely for the sound. BUT it is there. This was from BEFORE EC it is evident that the sound BioWare added to Harbinger was in the beginning. I don't know the implications of this other than does that mean he is not speaking to Shepard?

Another thing that got me was the transmission from Admiral Hackett in the Normandy. On a closer look it looks like his scar is on the WRONG SIDE. But wait. We know that his scar is on the right side of his face not on his left. So...wha?? Transmissions don't work like mirrors...

What also caught me off guard was another case of forgetfulness from Ash. Ashley was there when Anderson gave his orders but seconds later she's like "What? He told us to do that?".  

So yeah, within 30 minutes these are things that caught my attention. You guys know what to make of them??? :huh:
 
edit- fixed some links...

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RavenEyry wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You know, the IT reminds me a lot of a "star trek: Deep Space 9" episode I once watched...

It actually reminds me of a Farscape episode, which is why I thought it was funny one of the people in the original thread who thought there was no chance of this whatsoever had a Farscape avatar.

PMMM is closer than both.

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I like to say that in Project Overlord the green mechs remind me of an ending, that as a S in it.


Destroy?


Synthesis.



www.youtube.com/watch

In the intro it shows mechs being turned on by a green light that covers the whole body, and it's even seen in the eyes of the mechs.


Here is the one about the geth in Overlord.

Reminds me of Synthesis at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch



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Someone missed the joke.

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masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I like to say that in Project Overlord the green mechs remind me of an ending, that as a S in it.


Destroy?


Synthesis.



www.youtube.com/watch

In the intro it shows mechs being turned on by a green light that covers the whole body, and it's even seen in the eyes of the mechs.


Here is the one about the geth in Overlord.

Reminds me of Synthesis at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch

Her "Destroy" was a joke btw.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:07 .


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@Raistlin: When you put it like that, the motives of the Illusive Man become a lot more clear. He knows there's going to be a power vaccuum after the war. Aria knows it too. And surely countless other figures will try to take advantage as well. The Reaper War might bring everyone together in the short term but how will the galaxy cope afterwards, especially without a working relay network? There's plenty of room for a sequel, whether IT is true or not.

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For Krogans if you killed Wrex there is even a slide for that, either debating with Eve or rallying troops for an all out assault.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I like to say that in Project Overlord the green mechs remind me of an ending, that as a S in it.


Destroy?


Synthesis.



www.youtube.com/watch

In the intro it shows mechs being turned on by a green light that covers the whole body, and it's even seen in the eyes of the mechs.


Here is the one about the geth in Overlord.

Reminds me of Synthesis at the end.

www.youtube.com/watch

Her "Destroy" was a joke btw.


I got that, and also take a look at what happenes to Shepard in this part of Overlord.

www.youtube.com/watch


It looks like the same reaction as the husk as in Synthesis, and it's on 4:12. Also aperiatly Control was in Project overlord because he could Control the geth, but it all went so wrong because you can't control them. Hence you can't control the Reapers.

DID ANYONE NOTICE THERE WAS A MODLE OF THE NORMANDY IN  8:48.

Liten to the end of ProjectOverLord.

www.youtube.com/watch

It's the endings all over again. And what Garrus tells Shepard when if we had to save 3 billions lives at the cost of 2 billion. Would you do it.


What do you think Turbo Z? And are you all close to finishing at lest one video. Since we are low on speculations.

Modifié par masster blaster, 31 juillet 2012 - 07:55 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

For Krogans if you killed Wrex there is even a slide for that, either debating with Eve or rallying troops for an all out assault.

If you killed Wrex, the best option is to sabotage the cure.

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leonia42 wrote...

@Raistlin: When you put it like that, the motives of the Illusive Man become a lot more clear. He knows there's going to be a power vaccuum after the war. Aria knows it too. And surely countless other figures will try to take advantage as well. The Reaper War might bring everyone together in the short term but how will the galaxy cope afterwards, especially without a working relay network? There's plenty of room for a sequel, whether IT is true or not.


Huh, I think I have a much better understanding for why TIM wanted to control the Reapers now.  He wanted to control the Reapers to give humanity an edge after the war, a way for them to seize control of the galaxy.  And the scary part is?  If he actually HAD been able to control the Reapers, he probably would have been able to SUCCEED.

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paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

For Krogans if you killed Wrex there is even a slide for that, either debating with Eve or rallying troops for an all out assault.

If you killed Wrex, the best option is to sabotage the cure.


Not if Eve is alive.  Mordin trusts her to keep Wreav in check, and if he trusts her, then I trust her.

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

For Krogans if you killed Wrex there is even a slide for that, either debating with Eve or rallying troops for an all out assault.

If you killed Wrex, the best option is to sabotage the cure.


Not if Eve is alive.  Mordin trusts her to keep Wreav in check, and if he trusts her, then I trust her.

And lived happily ever after... In theory. Reality would be that Wreav dominates and krogans conquer the weakened Galaxy killing everyone who dares to oppose them in any way.

Modifié par paxxton, 31 juillet 2012 - 06:26 .


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Project Overlord was a team of Cerberus scientists, they probably worked on parts of the Normandy, nothing strange there.

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TJBartlemus wrote...
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Another thing that got me was the transmission from Admiral Hackett in the Normandy. On a closer look it looks like his scar is on the WRONG SIDE. But wait. We know that his scar is on the right side of his face not on his left. So...wha?? Transmissions don't work like mirrors...

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As far as I remember in Arrival when Hacket briefed us about the mission through transmission scar was on the right side. Also in N7 missions it in its "place". So yea, no mirrors in transmissions.

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 Did I blow your minds with my proof OR DID YOU REALLY JUST IGNORE IT??!?!?! <_<:huh: DO I NEED MORE CAPITAL LETTERS FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE IT???? ......No one listens....  :crying::crying::crying: I know it's not big news but at least it's something new. It at least deserves a comment.

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Overlord used synthesis as a means of control. Destroying the place was considered the paragon route.

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Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

For Krogans if you killed Wrex there is even a slide for that, either debating with Eve or rallying troops for an all out assault.

If you killed Wrex, the best option is to sabotage the cure.


Not if Eve is alive.  Mordin trusts her to keep Wreav in check, and if he trusts her, then I trust her.

She'll probably try, but she'll eventually fail. Wreav can't be reasoned with. He'd probably just brutally kill her and all her followers to set an example.

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LtBehemoth wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...
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Another thing that got me was the transmission from Admiral Hackett in the Normandy. On a closer look it looks like his scar is on the WRONG SIDE. But wait. We know that his scar is on the right side of his face not on his left. So...wha?? Transmissions don't work like mirrors...

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As far as I remember in Arrival when Hacket briefed us about the mission through transmission scar was on the right side. Also in N7 missions it in its "place". So yea, no mirrors in transmissions.


Something is definitely odd with the transmission. It shouldn't flip the image at all. 

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TJBartlemus wrote...

 Did I blow your minds with my proof OR DID YOU REALLY JUST IGNORE IT??!?!?! <_<:huh: DO I NEED MORE CAPITAL LETTERS FOR YOU GUYS TO SEE IT???? ......No one listens....  :crying::crying::crying: I know it's not big news but at least it's something new. It at least deserves a comment.

http://memecrunch.co...re-me/image.png


I'm reading it atm. But it's a lot of letters and takes time.

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Blue tendrils in Object Rho and inside the Catalyst? Wow. That's a strong connection.

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Blue tendrils in Object Rho and inside the Catalyst? Wow. That's a strong connection.


Saracasm?? :huh: I know it's not HARD proof. HAD to write something about Arrival and the glowing tendrils caught my attention... :blush:

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TJBartlemus wrote...

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Blue tendrils in Object Rho and inside the Catalyst? Wow. That's a strong connection.


Saracasm?? :huh: I know it's not HARD proof. HAD to write something about Arrival and the glowing tendrils caught my attention... :blush:

Honestly. Maybe they aren't the same but they are similar at least.

I don't quite understand what you mean in the section on the outside of the Shuttle. You say Shepard didn't change it in his mind to make it believeable. But he saw the inside which changed while he was inside the Shuttle. That would caught his suspicion.

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Btw, TJ, am I remembering it wrong but a few days ago you said that the change in shuttles was a mere asset reuse and dev oversight? Why the change?

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paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Blue tendrils in Object Rho and inside the Catalyst? Wow. That's a strong connection.


Saracasm?? :huh: I know it's not HARD proof. HAD to write something about Arrival and the glowing tendrils caught my attention... :blush:

Honestly. Maybe they aren't the same but they are similar at least.

I don't quite understand what you mean in the section on the outside of the Shuttle. You say Shepard didn't change it in his mind to make it believeable. But he saw the inside which changed while he was inside the Shuttle. That would caught his suspicion.


Okay. I'll fix that portion. :whistle: Just another reason why peer editing is so important.