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[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Organics thought that the Leviathan of Dis (a Reaper) was killed by another Reaper. The point of the DLC was to find the killer (who was assumed to be that another Reaper). Instead at the end it was revealed that the killer is not a Reaper but an organic being.

Yes, some sort of Reaper.

No! Leviathan from the DLC is NOT a Reaper.

[401 Kill]

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Organics thought that the Leviathan of Dis (a Reaper) was killed by another Reaper. The point of the DLC was to find the killer (who was assumed to be that another Reaper). Instead at the end it was revealed that the killer is not a Reaper but an organic being.

Yes, some sort of Reaper.

No! Leviathan from the DLC is NOT a Reaper.

Oh sorry, I was referring to the Leviathan of Dis as some sort of Reaper. My mistake I should have clarified that.

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. This line just struck me when I heard it again. "Information is power and they knew everything about us." Vigil about the Reapers. He thinks they got their information from the Citadel. But when you think about the suspicions some have about glyph... makes you wonder. The Reapers don't tend to put all their eggs in one basket. There's a lot of information that won't be on the Citadel, especially if there's a schism between governments like this cycle has. Barely anything about the Terminus Systems will be on the Citadel. But if the Reapers had a centralized spy network, organics who didn't realize who they were really working for... what is it Liara said on the Shadow Broker's ship? No user restrictions or controls of any kind. The Shadow Broker's network is an incredible piece of technology that's designed to be used without being understood. Just like the Citadel, the mass relays, and the Crucible. And no matter what you do in the entire series, the Shadow Broker WILL be on the Normandy in ME3. Plot armor that has yet to serve a purpose.

The correct line is "no saveguards or user restrictions". Plot armor is to find the Crucible on Mars, it was even planned to choose in ME3 if you save her. It doesn't matter if it got deleted or not, she served her purpose and these assumptions are baseless. Especially if we see in opt out Glyph "leading" one of the next cycles to victory.

For someone whose post count consists mostly of telling people they can't know things for sure, you do love to put forth your assumptions as certainties.

If it's the logical conclusion of what you see and not totally random things like "Glyth is Evil"™
At least I don't need to bend my quotes to fit my theory.

No, you'd have to be smart enough to come up with theories first.

[paxxton]

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Organics thought that the Leviathan of Dis (a Reaper) was killed by another Reaper. The point of the DLC was to find the killer (who was assumed to be that another Reaper). Instead at the end it was revealed that the killer is not a Reaper but an organic being.

Yes, some sort of Reaper.

No! Leviathan from the DLC is NOT a Reaper.

Oh sorry, I was referring to the Leviathan of Dis as some sort of Reaper. My mistake I should have clarified that.

It is called "a genetically engineered starship" which is an apt description of a Reaper.

[masster blaster]

Let's see about Glyph....

1. Glyph helped the old Shadow Broker retreve Shepard's body
2. The Shadow Broker and Glyph were helping the Collectors.
3. Cerberus leaks where the Shadow Broker can be found, or at least gives you clues where to look.
4. Glyph helps Shepard take down the Shadow Broker ( Ya were is the loyalty).
5. Liara becomes the Shadow broker and Glyph helps Liara now.
6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara( which is werid because TIM nows that Liara is the Shadow Broker, then again Wrex does, butThis is wrex, and if you betray him, he has a mole in STG and finds out about what happened for real/ the shack down Shepard had with the Salarian leader.
7. Glyph helps find the plans for the Crucible, which the Alliance just recently found out.
8. Liara goes to mars, where as Glyph....Wait where is Glyph?
9. Cerberus send EVE to mars/ secret agent.
10. Reapers attack Earth, while Cerberus attacks Mars. This had to have been planed for months because the Reapers take on the Alliance fleets, while Cerberus is on Mars getting the info on the Crucible.
11. Reapers don't land on Mars, until Shepard is about to leave.
12. Glyph wants to install it'self into the Normandy's systems.
13. Glyph is how old? And did he not serve the Shadow Broker before the Yagr Shadow Broker?
14. Who created Glyph?
15. Can Glyph lie/ gain self aware like EDI was, when she was still an VI on Luna?
16. Could it be that Glyph is inline with the Reapers? Again how old is glyph, and who made Glyph?

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. This line just struck me when I heard it again. "Information is power and they knew everything about us." Vigil about the Reapers. He thinks they got their information from the Citadel. But when you think about the suspicions some have about glyph... makes you wonder. The Reapers don't tend to put all their eggs in one basket. There's a lot of information that won't be on the Citadel, especially if there's a schism between governments like this cycle has. Barely anything about the Terminus Systems will be on the Citadel. But if the Reapers had a centralized spy network, organics who didn't realize who they were really working for... what is it Liara said on the Shadow Broker's ship? No user restrictions or controls of any kind. The Shadow Broker's network is an incredible piece of technology that's designed to be used without being understood. Just like the Citadel, the mass relays, and the Crucible. And no matter what you do in the entire series, the Shadow Broker WILL be on the Normandy in ME3. Plot armor that has yet to serve a purpose.

The correct line is "no saveguards or user restrictions". Plot armor is to find the Crucible on Mars, it was even planned to choose in ME3 if you save her. It doesn't matter if it got deleted or not, she served her purpose and these assumptions are baseless. Especially if we see in opt out Glyph "leading" one of the next cycles to victory.

For someone whose post count consists mostly of telling people they can't know things for sure, you do love to put forth your assumptions as certainties.

If it's the logical conclusion of what you see and not totally random things like "Glyth is Evil"™
At least I don't need to bend my quotes to fit my theory.

No, you'd have to be smart enough to come up with theories first.

Still better then bending the truth to a lie to make a "theory" without any base sound good. This serves no purpose but to distract from theories which have a base that is not built on false statements.

[Andromidius]

One of my friends said her sister told her that ME4 was confirmed to be a prequel.

Anyone got any clues on confirming this? Because my friend was rather vague, and then said a sequel is impossible...and was completely silent when I explained the basics of how a sequel could exist still. So yeah.

Any ideas?

Oh, and Glyph being a Reaper program makes perfect sense. It also explains the technology of the Shadow Broker's ship and how it was created in secret - it was created before this cycle even began?

[Rifneno]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Still better then bending the truth to a lie to make a "theory" without any base sound good. This serves no purpose but to distract from theories which have a base that is not built on false statements.

If by "bending the truth" you mean "paraphrasing from memory because I don't have a copy of ME2's script handy", then yeah.  The gist of it was the same.  You're just latching onto anything you can to start trouble.  Like the predicable troll you are.

[Bill Casey]

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 10 décembre 2012 - 11:16 .

[Andromidius]

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

[MegumiAzusa]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Still better then bending the truth to a lie to make a "theory" without any base sound good. This serves no purpose but to distract from theories which have a base that is not built on false statements.

If by "bending the truth" you mean "paraphrasing from memory because I don't have a copy of ME2's script handy", then yeah.  The gist of it was the same.  You're just latching onto anything you can to start trouble.  Like the predicable troll you are.

You can always do a quick search like "liara shadow broker" on youtube and check your assumptions instead of posting false memories.
And no, a system with no restrictions is not the same as a system which gives you access to high level commands to obscure low level functionality.

[estebanus]

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

You mean like how they suddenly in the span of 6 months went from a small organization with 150 people to a galaxy-spanning evil empire?

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

I never understood why after Mars, Hackett says he thought Cerberus might try something on Mars. Doesnt really seem like something they would do at all. Kind of odd for him to expect it.

[Andromidius]

[quote]estebanus wrote...

[/quote]You mean like how they suddenly in the span of 6 months went from a small organization with 150 people to a galaxy-spanning evil empire?
[/quote]

Well the number of personel and equipment could have been concealed.  But yeah, that's one part of it.

[masster blaster]

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

I ment they are not acting to take Liara down after Liara becomes the Shadow broker.

In a sense once Shepard is locked up on Earth, then before Liara goes to mars, that's when Cerberus should have striked. In a sense all they need is Liara right, and if Cerberus so happened to Indoctrinate an Asari that looks just like Liara, and talks like Liara... And Cerberus either captrued the real Liara, or killed, and made a clone out of Liara, and had all her memeorys, or Eve could have been like Liara instead of a human. I mean the dock fooled Liara that she was her friend, so I am sure Eve could have fooled everyone else, but maybe not Shepard.

[The Heretic of Time]

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. This line just struck me when I heard it again. "Information is power and they knew everything about us." Vigil about the Reapers. He thinks they got their information from the Citadel. But when you think about the suspicions some have about glyph... makes you wonder. The Reapers don't tend to put all their eggs in one basket. There's a lot of information that won't be on the Citadel, especially if there's a schism between governments like this cycle has. Barely anything about the Terminus Systems will be on the Citadel. But if the Reapers had a centralized spy network, organics who didn't realize who they were really working for... what is it Liara said on the Shadow Broker's ship? No user restrictions or controls of any kind. The Shadow Broker's network is an incredible piece of technology that's designed to be used without being understood. Just like the Citadel, the mass relays, and the Crucible. And no matter what you do in the entire series, the Shadow Broker WILL be on the Normandy in ME3. Plot armor that has yet to serve a purpose.

The correct line is "no saveguards or user restrictions". Plot armor is to find the Crucible on Mars, it was even planned to choose in ME3 if you save her. It doesn't matter if it got deleted or not, she served her purpose and these assumptions are baseless. Especially if we see in opt out Glyph "leading" one of the next cycles to victory.

For someone whose post count consists mostly of telling people they can't know things for sure, you do love to put forth your assumptions as certainties.

If it's the logical conclusion of what you see and not totally random things like "Glyth is Evil"™
At least I don't need to bend my quotes to fit my theory.

No, you'd have to be smart enough to come up with theories first.

You don't need to be smart to come up with theories. Anyone can pull BS theories out of their asses. You are the proof of that.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 10 décembre 2012 - 11:27 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

Even before Cerberus had access to Shadow Broker systems. I don't believe Reaper tech would be that easy to hack. I could agree on saying Glyph is maybe a spy drone by Cerberus built when the Shadow Broker built his vessel, but not a Reaper creation.

[Rifneno]

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You mean like how they suddenly in the span of 6 months went from a small organization with 150 people to a galaxy-spanning evil empire?

Well the number of personel and equipment could have been concealed.  But yeah, that's one part of it.

Well, your recruitment tends to go much easier when you have mind control.

[TheConstantOne]

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

I never understood why after Mars, Hackett says he thought Cerberus might try something on Mars. Doesnt really seem like something they would do at all. Kind of odd for him to expect it.

I think all he said is that he "thought Cerberus might try something."  He didn't specifically say he expected them to show up on Mars.  It would be reasonable to assume Cerberus would play their hand soon after the Reapers attacked though, Hackett knows how invested Cerberus is in the Reapers from what transpired in ME 2. So I don't see anything strange about this particular comment

[umadcommander]

i think this is where i get off for the night have fun guys

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara

Umm... yes they do...
The Illusive Man tracked her down, Liara and Feron loaded as much specialized hardware as they could onto a shuttle, and managed to escape by crashing the Shadow Broker ship into a Cerberus Cruiser and using it as a distraction...

It's one of the first conversations you have with Liara in ME3...

Plus they are after her on Mars.

There is a very sudden change of attitude from Cerberus on a whole number of subjects.

I ment they are not acting to take Liara down after Liara becomes the Shadow broker.

There is no need as long as they can use the vast resources. When Liara outlived her purpose in TIM eyes they tried to take her down.

[Darth_Acheron47]

While we're back on the Glyph thing...

I was replaying LotSB the other night (trying to do my comprehensive trilogy play through), and I was listening to what Glyph was saying when I went back to the SB base after the fight. He indicates that the previous Shadow Broker (the yahg) constructed him to help with a lot of the information network duties sometime after killing the "original" Shadow Broker 60 years ago. When you talk to Feron, he mentions that the old SB thought his “default personality” was fine, and that’s why he’s only got the basic interface. That seemed to suggest, to me at least, that he was really built when the yahg took over and became the SB.

Granted, since this is coming straight from Glyph, there's no real way to tell that he's being honest about it. I guess it could be a clever ploy, and that actually plays into what I originally thought the Shadow Broker would be when I first started playing that DLC the first time. (I expected something like GOTO in KOTOR II - some super-intelligent computer system. How else could you keep track of that much intel in one place?)

Liara calls him "the old Broker's VI assistant," when Glyph first flies up to Shepard, but then she says she hasn't had the chance to mess with its settings yet (like how it calls everyone "Shadow Broker") and so there's a chance she's missing something. She seems pretty good with tech - even though she's no Tali, I think she'd probably recognize the difference between a VI and some super-intelligent AI… unless Glyph didn't want her to.

That would mean he's purposely hiding something. (It's like when you talk to Mordin and he's muttering about some virus infection: "Have ruled out artificially intelligent computer virus. Unless it's very intelligent, and toying with me.") He looks like a combat drone, which is different than any other VI we’ve seen so far. (Most VIs look like whatever they were based on – Mira and the VI on Aeia during Jacob’s LM look human, Avina looks like an asari, the Shepard VI looks like Shepard, etc.) That could just be because he needs to be mobile, though, and all those VIs are anchored to platforms.

Ultimately, I guess it could technically go either way. Just like everything else.

[Restrider]

Andromidius wrote...

estebanus wrote...

You mean like how they suddenly in the span of 6 months went from a small organization with 150 people to a galaxy-spanning evil empire?

Well the number of personel and equipment could have been concealed.  But yeah, that's one part of it.

I don't really get why people are baffled by the increase of Cerberus troops?
Isn't it obvious through the datapads on Sanctum, Noveria and later on Horizon/Sanctuary that they force normal people to follow their lead due to the process of integration? It's Cerberus way of indoctrination really...
When they had their breakthrough thanks to the Grayson experiment, they started to abduct humans (see Noveria, Benning(?), Eden Prime for instance) and use Sanctuary as another source for troops. Those who are not used in experiments are integrated...
The only thing you might question is the increase in ships.

Modifié par Restrider, 10 décembre 2012 - 11:51 .

[The_Sloth25]

masster blaster wrote...

Let's see about Glyph....

1. Glyph helped the old Shadow Broker retreve Shepard's body
2. The Shadow Broker and Glyph were helping the Collectors.
3. Cerberus leaks where the Shadow Broker can be found, or at least gives you clues where to look.
4. Glyph helps Shepard take down the Shadow Broker ( Ya were is the loyalty).
5. Liara becomes the Shadow broker and Glyph helps Liara now.
6. Cerberus does not act to take down Liara( which is werid because TIM nows that Liara is the Shadow Broker, then again Wrex does, butThis is wrex, and if you betray him, he has a mole in STG and finds out about what happened for real/ the shack down Shepard had with the Salarian leader.
7. Glyph helps find the plans for the Crucible, which the Alliance just recently found out.
8. Liara goes to mars, where as Glyph....Wait where is Glyph?
9. Cerberus send EVE to mars/ secret agent.
10. Reapers attack Earth, while Cerberus attacks Mars. This had to have been planed for months because the Reapers take on the Alliance fleets, while Cerberus is on Mars getting the info on the Crucible.
11. Reapers don't land on Mars, until Shepard is about to leave.
12. Glyph wants to install it'self into the Normandy's systems.
13. Glyph is how old? And did he not serve the Shadow Broker before the Yagr Shadow Broker?
14. Who created Glyph?
15. Can Glyph lie/ gain self aware like EDI was, when she was still an VI on Luna?
16. Could it be that Glyph is inline with the Reapers? Again how old is glyph, and who made Glyph?

While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

[Restrider]

The_Sloth25 wrote...


While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.