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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Restrider wrote...

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While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.


I never bought into the evil glyph thing.

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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The_Sloth25 wrote...


While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.


I never bought into the evil glyph thing.


Everyone thought the Protheans created the Citadel too >_>

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Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

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Well, all the next cycle thing could be the last wish of the Refuse Shepard
Anyway, i don't think Glyph is evil......it is too Glyph

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Restrider wrote...

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You mean like how they suddenly in the span of 6 months went from a small organization with 150 people to a galaxy-spanning evil empire?


Well the number of personel and equipment could have been concealed.  But yeah, that's one part of it.


I don't really get why people are baffled by the increase of Cerberus troops?
Isn't it obvious through the datapads on Sanctum, Noveria and later on Horizon/Sanctuary that they force normal people to follow their lead due to the process of integration? It's Cerberus way of indoctrination really...
When they had their breakthrough thanks to the Grayson experiment, they started to abduct humans (see Noveria, Benning(?), Eden Prime for instance) and use Sanctuary as another source for troops. Those who are not used in experiments are integrated...
The only thing you might question is the increase in ships.

I doubt it was just that.
Shepard was the face of humanity, the first human spectre, and anyone hearing rumors about THE Shepard joining forces with Cerberus is going to cause an influx in Cerberus support and recruitment. (Who was the Alliance using to spark recruitment after Shepard's death, after all? Shepard. It was Shepard.)
Not to mention, where are people going to turn to when both the Alliance and the Council refuse to investigate entire missing colonies of humans?
Also, Donnelly?? Jacob??

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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The_Sloth25 wrote...
While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.

I never bought into the evil glyph thing.


If Glyph was anything other than the VI it appears to be, I could see it actually being the Shadow Broker itself.

The Yagh was awesome, but I could easily see it as more of a bodyguard than an actual intergalactic information broker.  And of course, by installing Glyph on the Normandy, Liara has inadvertantly given Glyph pretty much unlimited access to the Alliance military systems.

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Restrider wrote...

The_Sloth25 wrote...


While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.


So we're taking the epilogues as real now? That doesn't seem like a bit of a cop to me. That's a huge cop out. And I don't know where anyone is getting "glyph is 60 years old", nor do I care, because there's literally no way you could possibly know that. Goddamn Council couldn't tell that the geth didn't make Sovereign and we're putting an age on a little floating hologram. Yeah, that makes sense. I have to go lie down from a completely unrelated migraine.

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I am not saying Glyph is pure evil, but more like he could betray everyone.

Think about it... That AI on the Citadle in ME1 wanted to join the Geth, so he could have a body. And we all know how we started to find clues/ signals of money from the the Flux being channeled into a banking account, that the AI was using.

What's to say Glyph on his free time, or while looking for information on anything that could help with the crucible he got in contact with the Reapers on a private channel.

Also who built the Shadow Broker ship?

Modifié par masster blaster, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:38 .


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masster blaster wrote...

I am not saying Glyph is pure evil, but more like he could betray everyone.

Think about it... That AI on the Citadle in ME1 wanted to join the Geth, so he could have a body. And we all know how we started to find clues/ signals of money from the the Flux being channeled into a banking account, that the AI was using.

What's to say Glyph on his free time, or while looking for information on anything that could help with the crucible he got in contact with the Reapers on a private channel.

Also who built the Shadow Broker ship?

You assume Glyph is an AI instead of VI now?

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Okay here is another theory I came up with, or just an old theory coming back to disccusion.

As I said before/ posted on here Ceberus has been slowly following the Reapers agenda ever since ME1, and maybe for ME1.

TIM started Cerberus after he was touched by the Monolith on Shanxi. He heard Voices when ever he was asleep, or knocked out, and saw visions of planets, and other things that seemed like a warning beacon in a sense.

Anyways TIM started Cerberus, but Cerberus was not protecting humanity, the way everyone thought of. Instead they attacked political, economic,military, and reaserch centers that were non human, weakening the galaxy, and causeing bad relations for humanity for the galaxy.

Cerberus was experimenting on humans their own kind. We learn from Toombs that Cerberus used his squad as test subjects, and he managed to survive, but had Thresermaw venom in is body. Admiral Kohakoo was trying to find his squad, but when we report back to him, that his squad is KIA, he goes on a hunt/ Vendetta to find the people that set a trap that killed his team.

Later on we find out that Cerberus was behind the Admirals squad's deaths. As we take down Cerberus bases, Admiral Kahokoo found the main Cerberus base that is houseing the Reaserch. After seeing Thrall Thorian huks, Rachni, and Husk, we find The Admiral dead.

There is more on what Cerberus did in ME1, but let's go onto ME2. TIM want's Shepard on his side, heck anyone would. Shepard has become the vision of humanity, and what it should be. If you notice if you go Renegade/ let the Councile die. You did what Cerberus has always wanted. Heck TIM even says that Shepard killing the councile has helped humanity dominate the galaxy.

Ya thanks Shepard.

Anyways I wish I could add more, but my phone is about to die.

I will say this before I go.

Renegade Shepard in ME1, and ME2 follows Cerberus goals, while Paragon Shepard follows the counciles goals/ the Alliance goals.

In ME3, Renegade Shepard is in line with Cerberus goals helping humanity at all cost. Yet Paragon Shepard is falling into Cerberus goals hence Shepard as a Paragon starts to wonder " What if the illusive man is right, and he can control the Reapers?"

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Meg I am saying maybe Glyph wants to become an AI, just like the AI on the citadle wanted a body/ join the Geth. In a sense Glyph sells out Shepard, and in return Glyph get's a new body/ an AI mind.

In a sense Glyph could be evolving/ gaining self aware, just Like EDI did on Luna. In a sense Glyph could make his own chocies. If the chances of victory is ****** poor, then Glyph can join the Reapers/ sell Shepard out.

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masster blaster wrote...

Meg I am saying maybe Glyph wants to become an AI, just like the AI on the citadle wanted a body/ join the Geth. In a sense Glyph sells out Shepard, and in return Glyph get's a new body/ an AI mind.

In a sense Glyph could be evolving/ gaining self aware, just Like EDI did on Luna. In a sense Glyph could make his own chocies. If the chances of victory is ****** poor, then Glyph can join the Reapers/ sell Shepard out.


Do you have even a shred of evidence pointing to this?

I dont know why people want so badly for Glyph to be a secret bad guy. He's just a ****ing VI.

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Just be sure to remember i was the first to poin the glyph out.

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It's just a thought byne. I just saying maybe. It's just speculation/ what if like what if Washington was a man that wanted power, and was a tryrrant. It's not like I believe he is, just saying.

Also as I said MABYE Glyph wants to become an AI, like all VI's would want. I mean come on look at EDI. She was just VI on Luna, but she gained self awareness. What's to say Glyph couldn't over time did not make his own choice. Just just a thought nothing more. If you want I could go back to

Banshee is evil Chris.
BleedingUraninium is Mike Gamble
Bill Casey is Casey Hudson, or you since you did start the IT thread.
Or byne your Patrick weeks. Sorry miss spelled his name.

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There is no want for a VI.

In other news: New Shep :D

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:49 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is no want for a VI.

In other news: New Shep :D


She looks a lot like my ME1 Shepard.

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Hello everybody. Just came to check in.

I also think this glyph thing is nonsense.

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MegumiAzusa

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is no want for a VI.

In other news: New Shep :D


She looks a lot like my ME1 Shepard.

She does look a lot like my other Shep too I have to admit. Like in DAO when I build my character and I always go "yes that's nice etc" and then I'm finished I notice "hmm she looks basically like my other character" D:
Though minor differences and improvements compared to my first try. More round so she doesn't have the polygon edges visible. There should be an update with moar polygons for Sheps face :D

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byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

The_Sloth25 wrote...


While I haven't actually beaten the game with the extended cut, people say that in refuse you see an alien race opening Liara's time capsule and Glyph is in it.  If Glyph was reaper code why would he carry out the warning, it's in the Reaper's interests for people to know as little as possible.  I suppose you could just say that's part of Shephard's indoc. hallucination, but that seems like a bit of a cop out.

Yep, that combined with the supposed age of Glyph being about 60 years or so, kills the Glyph is evil theory for me.


I never bought into the evil glyph thing.


Unless, of course, the crucible is used every cycle as a trap, and it's Glyph's purpose to make sure the next cycle finds the plans.

Glyph reminded me of G0T0 as well, and I immediately assumed he was the actual shadow broker when I first played it.

Think about it - the modus operandi really befits the Reapers - to have someone like Liara operate the business, making them think they're in control, while actually it is the VI/AI who is in control. Meanwhile, the Reapers could use the information network both for information and for divide and conquer tactics, making sure no single faction gets the upper hand - as it is explained how the Shadow Broker works in ME1.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 11 décembre 2012 - 02:17 .


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Looks like new DLC will be serious... Jennifer Hale posted (Twitter) a picture of motion capture suit...

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@Megumi out of all your Shep's the one in your avi is my favorite :)

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

In other news: New Shep :D


I'd hit it. :D

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 11 décembre 2012 - 02:19 .


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McGrzegorz wrote...

Looks like new DLC will be serious... Jennifer Hale posted (Twitter) a picture of motion capture suit...


Got a link?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

There is no want for a VI.

In other news: New Shep :D


She looks a lot like my ME1 Shepard.

She does look a lot like my other Shep too I have to admit. Like in DAO when I build my character and I always go "yes that's nice etc" and then I'm finished I notice "hmm she looks basically like my other character" D:
Though minor differences and improvements compared to my first try. More round so she doesn't have the polygon edges visible. There should be an update with moar polygons for Sheps face :D


That's my biggest problem with building characters.  I have trouble building characters that look drastically different.  I think it's because I try to put myself in the role of the main character and, subconsciously, that bleeds out into how my characters appear

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I found this cool video with all of the squad flashbacks from the endings and I thought I would share it here just for fun...



I would kill to get everyones flashback during the ending.

And I ****ing hate the adds on YouTube my god, I can't even watch this from my laptop because of them.

Edit: Here is a better one:

Modifié par 401 Kill, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:04 .