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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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401 Kill wrote...

I found this cool video with all of the squad flashbacks from the endings and I thought I would share it here just for fun...



I would kill to get everyones flashback during the ending.

And I ****ing hate the adds on YouTube my god, I can't even watch this from my laptop because of them.


Then use adblock. I havent seen ads in years.

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byne wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

I found this cool video with all of the squad flashbacks from the endings and I thought I would share it here just for fun...



I would kill to get everyones flashback during the ending.

And I ****ing hate the adds on YouTube my god, I can't even watch this from my laptop because of them.


Then use adblock. I havent seen ads in years.

Thanks I'll try that. My laptop is a piece of utter crap so I'm better off using my Ipod, (which I do 99% of the time) maybe it will make it possible to watch more than 2 seconds of YouTube videos.

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401 Kill wrote...

And I ****ing hate the adds on YouTube my god, I can't even watch this from my laptop because of them.

Try Adblock Plus if you use firefox. Works fine and youtube is as it was before the ad-storm.
(Who ever gave me the tip here, big THANKS again :))

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I'm certainly not going to read too much into this, but I just noticed, and found it odd, that Patrick Weekes tweeted a link to the IGA's "In Memoriam" skit that included Shep among the dead video game characters.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:11 .


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Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

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paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

I'm certainly not going to read too much into this, but I just noticed, and found it odd, that Patrick Weekes tweeted a link to the IGA's "In Memoriam" skit that included Shep among the dead video game characters.


Well, then it must have been for Control or Synthesis, because Shepard survives in High - EMS - Destroy.

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paxxton wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

Yes, I saw that earlier in the thread. Hard to say what it's for. Could be more Halo content, ME3 DLC, or something else entirely new.

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

Yes, I saw that earlier in the thread. Hard to say what it's for. Could be more Halo content, ME3 DLC, or something else entirely new.


ME3 doesnt seem like the kind of game that uses much mocap.

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byne wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

Yes, I saw that earlier in the thread. Hard to say what it's for. Could be more Halo content, ME3 DLC, or something else entirely new.


ME3 doesnt seem like the kind of game that uses much mocap.

That's my inclination as well.

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byne wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

Yes, I saw that earlier in the thread. Hard to say what it's for. Could be more Halo content, ME3 DLC, or something else entirely new.


ME3 doesnt seem like the kind of game that uses much mocap.

You kidding? It has tons of mocap.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

So after starting my presumably failshep playthrough I like to bring up some points I did some thousand pages ago.

Something is not right with the Prothean beacon or where it was found. The place where it was found has that circuitry overlay like we see on Reapers and in Synthesis.
Exhibit A
The beacon itself does not.
Exhibit B

There is also something interesting going on with Eden Prime itself. When the Normandy approaches we see a giant fire.
Exhibit C
We know they try to keep the atmosphere as clean as possible etc, but such a fire would cause quite some fallout.
Ingame we see later Sovereigns footprint, though it would be very strange if it were the same.
Exhibit D

Additionally the beacon has a quite loud hum to it.


Nice!  It's why I keep saying that I think Shepard was possibly indoctrinated since the beginning.  Just the more subtle indoctrination allowing them to use him for years.  The problem was they killed him.  Meaning something in ME2 had to get him started again.  The implants make it easier to do so.  Unless the Shepard they used in ME2 is still the same Shepard from ME1 where they just simply continue the process.

Besides, indoctrinating in ONLY 3 will create a gibbering vegetable, while indoctrinating long term will create a useful figure that can bring down nations.

Examples: 
TIM - when was he indoctrinated?
Udina - when was he indoctrinated?

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Big_Boss9 wrote...

byne wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Jennifer Hale does motion capture sessions? Is it for FemShep?

AFAIK, she did some mocap for Halo 4. Interesting to say the least.

She tweeted this:
https://twitter.com/...238158083219458

Yes, I saw that earlier in the thread. Hard to say what it's for. Could be more Halo content, ME3 DLC, or something else entirely new.


ME3 doesnt seem like the kind of game that uses much mocap.

That's my inclination as well.


Same here... but maybe they've got some new tech they want to play with. Even if that's the case, I'm not sure how much of an issue the integration would be

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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masster blaster wrote...

I am not bying the whole Leviathans are the good guys/ told us everything. If the Citdal dlc is real/ Bioware is working on. Then you do realize that maybe we will go to the Reaper home world, and find out how they really came to be.


I would love this. Actually, I'd even settle for a comic. I'm not entirely convinced that the Leviathans didn't try to synthesize with their machines on purpose -- for immortality, and for ultimate dominance over synethetics and organics alike. The directive they programmed the Reaper construct with is a good, logical, and infinite (potentially) cover for what is ultimately a desire to remain Apex, but I'm sure they didn't expect Harbinger to in turn wipe out the rest of the organic Leviathans that weren't part of his hybrid makeup. The danger of absolutes in programming.

I think the Reaper construct cannot seem to challenge the logic of its own programming because it's so circular! The construct will keep struggling to find a solution to its programmed paradigm that synthetics will always destroy organics. And like that meme, it's answer is to destroy organics before synthetics can destroy organics, because as Reapers, they're synthetics. It's a goofy meme but the idea behind it makes sense -- with every cycle, they're proving the paradigm that drives their own directive, so there's never a reason to challenge the logic. Self-fulfilled prophecy, cycle after the cycle.

Whoever programmed it is one clever bastard of a Leviathan. And I want to know about it.

The problem here is that the Reapers themselves don't see it that way. They are preserving it. Also they don't see themselves as pure synthetics, which is why they are out of the equation in the first place. Also Leviathans would if unchallenged by the Reapers dominate every other race, they are in no way shown as the good guys. "Tribute does not flow from a dead race." or something.
For me Leviathan gives some other questions:
If you let the Batarian go in bdts he tells you in ME3 the Leviathan of Dis indoctrinated the researches which in turn helped the Reapers. We know the Leviathans say the cycle must continue, but it also shows they are actively helping.
If the Leviathans are actually seeking synthesis they could let her go because they see what could come.


The Leviathan of Dis is a Reaper, not a Leviathan.

The entire premise of the Leviathan DLC is to locate what killed the Leviathan of Dis, not the Leviathan of Dis itself.


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 Hey thread. So I am procrastinating instead of writing, but I was researching neural decay and something hit me. I know that people have mentioned that the trees in Shepard's dreams look more like neurons than trees, but then I always wondered what was with the flakes in the air, the clumpy leaf piles, and the fact that some of the trees have more roots than branches. Seriously, those root tangles are odd -- like the end of a double pyramidal neuron cell. 

Anyway, threw these together (because it's more fun than writing and makes me appear productive), so I'll just leave 'em here. It's fun for the art-interested! And if you like cell stuff, google cell-based jewlery! Coolest thing ever. 

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RavenEyry wrote...

I can't get on xbox live because mum can't remember the security question. I really don't want to call tech support.

First world porblems have struck again.


Might be a good time to pick up the trilogy?

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Andromidius wrote...

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Repears have 4 or 5 tentacles. This one has 3. Plus, the picture could be a painting from a more recent encounter.


They've been hiding pretty darn well.  If savages could find them, they aren't doing a good job...


Well if you notice in the trailer of the Reaper coming down, the Reapers have 3 main tentacles and the rest of the tentacles are folded up underneath them.  Perhaps the cave art isn't drawn to scale (i.e. the Reaper is much higher than it is)

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RavenEyry wrote...

Eryri wrote...

Science is sexy. Just look at Brian Cox...

(the professor, not the guy from X-men 2)


Pfft, actor Cox is sexier than scientician Cox. I think it's the voice.


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Krimzie wrote...

 Hey thread. So I am procrastinating instead of writing, but I was researching neural decay and something hit me. I know that people have mentioned that the trees in Shepard's dreams look more like neurons than trees, but then I always wondered what was with the flakes in the air, the clumpy lead piles, and the fact that some of the trees have more roots than branches. Seriously, those root tangles are odd -- like the end of a double pyramidal neuron cell. 

Anyway, threw these together (because it's more fun than writing and makes me appear productive), so I'll just leave 'em here. It's fun for the art-interested! And if you like cell stuff, google cell-based jewlery! Coolest thing ever. 

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Eerily similar to the final boss in Dead Space 2 aint it? ^_^

"**** you and **** you Marker" indeed.

Nice imagery  you got there.

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Those flakes might be proteins that attach to neurons and harm them.

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Hey, paxx, I like your new avatar.

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Dwailing wrote...

Hey, paxx, I like your new avatar.


He no longer looks mildly intoxicated! :D

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paxxton wrote...

Those flakes might be proteins that attach to neurons and harm them.


That too! The plaque and disintegration from the images I slapped on my screenshots are usually evident in dementia. However, if I were trying to figure out a neural representation of the fictional concept of indoctrination, I'd probably use the same cell symptoms!

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byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey, paxx, I like your new avatar.


He no longer looks mildly intoxicated! :D

Posted Image Glad you like it. It took me some time to create that face.