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[BansheeOwnage]

Lokanaiya wrote...

I've got to get off guys, it's almost midnight here. G'night!

Goodnight!

[BansheeOwnage]

paxxton wrote...
The bench - I dunno - help me out with this one. 

No idea what to make of that bench really. I do know that it's the only object of note in the dreams, and Shepard hits one after getting blasted back by a reaper in Vancouver. Dream music starts to play.

Déja vu?

Combine that with the fact that starting at around 2:15, the noises sound eerily similar to the breath scene, Shepard holding her head and Anderson picking you up, I'd say this is bascially the same as the breath scene, but on a lesser level. Also, those sounds support that the breath scene does in fact take place in a city; London. Not that we really needed that.

Thoughts? Goodnight everyone!

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 11 décembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[IronSabbath88]

that video is awesome!

The way Anderson says Shepard! is very dream like and how he helps her up, plus did anyone notice what gun he gives her?

Magnificient.

[dorktainian]

why did edi suggest you look at vid of what happenned to you when you died? and it was located in such a place where you had to look at it? almost as if edi was manipulating shep to make sure he saw it. she also suggests that the troops were merely a delaying tactic. why would they try to delay shepard - when surely they would try to kill him........unless they want him to get to the observation room alive?

[CmdrShep80]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

byne wrote...

FifthBeatle wrote...

Also, I feel like Udina's story is incomplete: There is that comic with Bailey, the fact that its never really explained how he is indoctrinated, the weird video of him and Anderson fighting in the Shadow Broker's archive...

Maybe it will be explained in the upcoming DLC, like how Aria's story was.

I still dont know if I buy that Udina was actually indoctrinated and not just power-hungry.

I feel like he's just following through on his ME1 speech, and is using Cerberus as the means to take control of the Council.

According to the leaked script, he was indoctrinated.

It's still just speculation, and he wouldn't have to be indoctrinated to help Cerberus with the coup.

I get your point, but it's not speculation in the leaked script.

@Byne Quote from leaked script:
You get in to C-SEC HQ, and finds the evidence being destroyed by a Cerberus double agent. Extracting the information from him, you discover that Udina is indoctrinated and will soon launch a coup d'état to overthrow the Citadel Council.

It doesn't say exactly how though. The leaked script is basically writers' notes.

Actually it does:

a Cerberus double agent. Extracting the information from him, you discover that Udina is indoctrinated

That pretty much says it all.  The challenge here is.  Is this double agent reliable?  Probably not.  Is he himself indoctrinated?  Possible?  Is his boss indoctrinated?  Likely.  Who is the double agent really working for?  Hard to tell. 

In the end, if we trust the double agent, we will be trusting something that TIM may have encouraged in his soldiers, thus the information is not reliable.  If we don't trust the double agent, we again could be led to believe that not trusting the double agent is the right answer, all the while being led down a path we may be inadvertantly led towards by someone else. 

So, let's hope the Citadel dlc delves further with more indepedant proof that Udina is indoctrinated.

[byne]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

So, let's hope the Citadel dlc delves further with more indepedant proof that Udina is indoctrinated.

I hope it goes the other way. I like the idea that Udina is just a jerk more than the idea that he's indoctrinated.

[dorktainian]

byne wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

So, let's hope the Citadel dlc delves further with more indepedant proof that Udina is indoctrinated.

I hope it goes the other way. I like the idea that Udina is just a jerk more than the idea that he's indoctrinated.

i was hoping we got to kick the .... out of him before shooting him.... too quick imo.

Modifié par dorktainian, 11 décembre 2012 - 06:34 .

[CmdrShep80]

@masster - posted this about Saren in your discussion group list:

We should start with Saren who we know for sure was Indoctrinated.

I will say this, we don't actually know what he was like before nor do we know how long he was indoctrinated for. This includes the brief blurb below from Evolution. Though Evolution could possibly be the beginning of Seren's indoctrination.

However:

From Evolution - a brief synopsis -
Following the First Contact War in 2157 CE, Saren is in charge of the human prisoners Jack Harper and Eva Coré

Saren approaches his brother in Temple Palaven to say that Desolas' servants, dressed as "Valluvian Priests" won't move the artifact into the temple, even after he ordered them in that language that Desolas dug up.

After realizing the extent of Desolas' madness, Saren destroys the Temple, with Desolas and his bodyguards still inside, saying that some secrets are better left buried and vows to avenge his brother.

[CmdrShep80]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

I've got to get off guys, it's almost midnight here. G'night!

Goodnight!

Ditto, only it's a different time LOL

[Krimzie]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The bench - I dunno - help me out with this one. 

No idea what to make of that bench really. I do know that it's the only object of note in the dreams, and Shepard hits one after getting blasted back by a reaper in Vancouver. Dream music starts to play.

Déja vu?

Combine that with the fact that starting at around 2:15, the noises sound eerily similar to the breath scene, Shepard holding her head and Anderson picking you up, I'd say this is bascially the same as the breath scene, but on a lesser level. Also, those sounds support that the breath scene does in fact take place in a city; London. Not that we really needed that.

Thoughts? Goodnight everyone!

OMG THIS VID. Wow. 

The creak is undeniably the same one as the breath scene, but that could just be a stock creaking metal sound effect. But that dream music!? You're blowing my mind. And Shep's losing her mind. That lady's just always passing out in this series! Especially in 3. 

As for that park bench... IDK, man. Why is it in those woods? Okay, you could say it's a park. But even if it's a park, why is it a park? When are we ever in a park as Shepard? Even the kid isn't a forest kid. He lives in center city Vancouver. In fact, the only reason to choose a forest as the location of the nightmare, IMO, is if they wanted to draw the neuron-tree comparison. Because that nightmare could be anywhere else, anywhere more interesting than a dang park. And the only bench we interact with IS that bench in Alliance HQ. So are we to see it literally -- Shep's cranium is slammed into a bench so she slips from reality for a bit? Or are we to look at what happens before the bench... the Reaper laser? The same kinda laser that makes her pass out in the Beam Run, from almost the same not-quite-touching distance?

...And is that a baby cry I hear in that vid? So weird.

These nightmares are the weirdest things to analyze on YouTube. Maybe it's all the infrasound, but... ick. /shudder

[RavenEyry]

Hey, people arguing about cerberus sizes last night, even ignoring the recruiting/conscripting going on they had more than 150 people. The derelict reaper had at least 50 husks on it and if they weren't all the science team where did they come from?

Edit: And paxton explained the dream bench ages ago. It's a representation of all the furniture from Earth Shepard couldn't save.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[tangythang]

dorktainian wrote...

why did edi suggest you look at vid of what happenned to you when you died? and it was located in such a place where you had to look at it? almost as if edi was manipulating shep to make sure he saw it. she also suggests that the troops were merely a delaying tactic.  why would they try to delay shepard - when surely they would try to kill him........unless they want him to get to the observation room alive?

The questin I'm trying to answer is: "What will Cerberus gain, by delaying Shepard and purposely letting him/her win"
This might be related to Cerberus' MO
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Intel 3 of 3 ; Eden Prime Resistance Movement - From Ashes DLC

Resistance Information Update

We've gotten word from our source within Eden Prime's resistance movement that we can expect an attack on our security center between 2200 and 2300 tomorrow night. They're pulling in forces from across the colony--this gives us the perfect chance to destroy their leadership.
Once the attack is contained, allow Dr. William Cambiata to escape, firing near-miss shots to keep it realistic. He's given us good information, and with luck, the locals will see him as a daring hero and the only man to escape the Cerberus trap. They might even put him in charge!

It's possible given how they usually operate that the attack on Cerberus base or even the one with collector's base is staged. In order for the galaxy to see Shepard as a daring hero. And they did put him in charge.

That would serve as a motive for Cerberus coup alongside with Udina, if they managed to pull the above scenario, Udina will be the one in charge instead. It looks like Udina was leading the escape that time right, wouldn't that make him a hero afterward if Shepard didn't foil it. Perhaps acting as insurance in case of Shepard being too hard to steer. (Otherwise come on, does they have any other motive other than introducing KaiLeng?)

One thing for sure for the above to happen, a leak of information aboard the normandy. (Traynor? EDI? Glyph?)

Modifié par tangythang, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[tangythang]

RavenEyry wrote...

Hey, people arguing about cerberus sizes last night, even ignoring the recruiting/conscripting going on they had more than 150 people. The derelict reaper had at least 50 husks on it and if they weren't all the science team where did they come from?

Edit: And paxton explained the dream bench ages ago. It's a representation of all the furniture from Earth Shepard couldn't save.

They might not as big as they want  us to believe.

EDI told Shepard during the assault that the one he's been shooting at are cannon fodder developed crudely in Sanctuary. The real deal are the engineer setting up traps further down the road.

another codex from Eden Prime resistance thingy intel

Intel 1 of 3

Processing update 

We've taken more able-bodied men and women from pacified neighborhoods. The colonists generally have accepted the story that they have gone to perform tedious but safe manual labor in a Cerberus research camp on the other side of the planet, and when we increased food rations as "payment for the work", most of the complaints died out.
Maintain the story as long as possible. We don't have the manpower to fight the entire colony, and if these families knew they were never going to see their sons and daughters again, there's no way they'd cooperate.

This his precisely how they managed to establish "processing" facility like Sanctuary.

Intel 2 of 3

Troop Deployment Update

Local resistance is heavy in the south and west sections of the colony. We've pulled most of our troops from the north neighborhoods to assist. All remaining troops in the north neighborhood: continue standard patrol activities to maintain the illusion of a large presence in that area. If the locals knew we were understaffed, they could do some serious damage

They are understaffed indeed. 150 key persons are likely.

Modifié par tangythang, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:59 .

[BleedingUranium]

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

[Fur28]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

But dead reapers can indoctrinate too, couldn´t they?, so i think shepard´s indoctrination will continue:(

Modifié par Fur28, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:32 .

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

But dead reapers can indoctrinate too, couldn´t they?, so i think shepard´s indoctrination will continue:(

But Destroy doesn't actually kill them. Basically, the idea is that every indoctrinated person ever has "picked" control or synthesis, no one has successfully resisted it completely. Shepard will be the first, it's the story's natural progression. Indoctrination is always a choice; upon picking Destroy, Shepard proves that he will never willingly aid the Reapers, and is now immune to their manipulation.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Fur28]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

But dead reapers can indoctrinate too, couldn´t they?, so i think shepard´s indoctrination will continue:(

But Destroy doesn't actually kill them. Basically, the idea is that every indoctrinated person ever has "picked" control or synthesis, no one has successfully resisted it completely. Shepard will be the first, it's the story's natural progression. Indoctrination is always a choice; upon picking Destroy, Shepard proves that he will never willingly aid the Reapers, and is now immune to their manipulation.

Wait, now every cycle has his own indoctrinated person?
huh that would explain why they dont attack the crucible, or the starchild line about trying synthesis before

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

But dead reapers can indoctrinate too, couldn´t they?, so i think shepard´s indoctrination will continue:(

But Destroy doesn't actually kill them. Basically, the idea is that every indoctrinated person ever has "picked" control or synthesis, no one has successfully resisted it completely. Shepard will be the first, it's the story's natural progression. Indoctrination is always a choice; upon picking Destroy, Shepard proves that he will never willingly aid the Reapers, and is now immune to their manipulation.

Wait, now every cycle has his own indoctrinated person?
huh that would explain why they dont attack the crucible, or the starchild line about trying synthesis before

What I meant was, everyone had their own mental decision chamber, and none were strong willed enough not to side with the Reapers.

It is implied that every cycle has an indoctrinated splinter group that wants to control the Reapers though.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

I actually disagree on that part. Shepard simply breaking free or rejecting the Reapers is a great feat in and of itself, but I dont think he can keep out the voices forever. The way the process has been described so far indicates it is permanent once established, slowly worming its way into your head.

It is why I think the Catalyst dosent really react in Destroy, he knows that even if Shepard broke the hold now it is only a matter of time before he succumbs.

Off course I might be wrong as we have seen beeings who are immune or nigh immune to Indoctrination, but all cases of that have been hiveminded or semi hiveminded creatures.

But if IT is correct and the Reaper war does not end with ME3 then a way Shepard could be forced out of the spotlight would be that he is struggling with Indoctrination, the events on Earth showing him just how close he was to falling. As such he is unable to continue direct actions against the Reaper letting a new hero rise in his place.

But again just ideas and speculation.

[BleedingUranium]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

I actually disagree on that part. Shepard simply breaking free or rejecting the Reapers is a great feat in and of itself, but I dont think he can keep out the voices forever. The way the process has been described so far indicates it is permanent once established, slowly worming its way into your head.

It is why I think the Catalyst dosent really react in Destroy, he knows that even if Shepard broke the hold now it is only a matter of time before he succumbs.

Off course I might be wrong as we have seen beeings who are immune or nigh immune to Indoctrination, but all cases of that have been hiveminded or semi hiveminded creatures.

But if IT is correct and the Reaper war does not end with ME3 then a way Shepard could be forced out of the spotlight would be that he is struggling with Indoctrination, the events on Earth showing him just how close he was to falling. As such he is unable to continue direct actions against the Reaper letting a new hero rise in his place.

But again just ideas and speculation.

Given the info in-universe, yes, that's likely, but from a storytelling perspective, that's what the hero does: accomplishes what no one else could do before.

It wasn't impossible to pass through the Omega-4 relay, but it was believed to be because no one had ever done it. I see this as the same thing.

[RavenEyry]

Everything's impossible until someone does it.

[Fur28]

RavenEyry wrote...

Everything's impossible until someone does it.

For Shepard the impossible is just another challenge

[jojon2se]

The impossible is unknown at Sheploo.com

Modifié par jojon2se, 11 décembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[dorktainian]

tangythang wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

why did edi suggest you look at vid of what happenned to you when you died? and it was located in such a place where you had to look at it? almost as if edi was manipulating shep to make sure he saw it. she also suggests that the troops were merely a delaying tactic.  why would they try to delay shepard - when surely they would try to kill him........unless they want him to get to the observation room alive?

The questin I'm trying to answer is: "What will Cerberus gain, by delaying Shepard and purposely letting him/her win"
This might be related to Cerberus' MO
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Intel 3 of 3 ; Eden Prime Resistance Movement - From Ashes DLC

Resistance Information Update

We've gotten word from our source within Eden Prime's resistance movement that we can expect an attack on our security center between 2200 and 2300 tomorrow night. They're pulling in forces from across the colony--this gives us the perfect chance to destroy their leadership.
Once the attack is contained, allow Dr. William Cambiata to escape, firing near-miss shots to keep it realistic. He's given us good information, and with luck, the locals will see him as a daring hero and the only man to escape the Cerberus trap. They might even put him in charge!

It's possible given how they usually operate that the attack on Cerberus base or even the one with collector's base is staged. In order for the galaxy to see Shepard as a daring hero. And they did put him in charge.

That would serve as a motive for Cerberus coup alongside with Udina, if they managed to pull the above scenario, Udina will be the one in charge instead. It looks like Udina was leading the escape that time right, wouldn't that make him a hero afterward if Shepard didn't foil it. Perhaps acting as insurance in case of Shepard being too hard to steer. (Otherwise come on, does they have any other motive other than introducing KaiLeng?)

One thing for sure for the above to happen, a leak of information aboard the normandy. (Traynor? EDI? Glyph?)

if you liken sheps breath scene to this then maybe...just maybe... shep waking up in destroy is NOT a good thing.  If as suggested Cerberus want a hero...a figurehead for their own aims then shep is meant to survive so he can work for them?  Indoctrinated?  Just because he takes the breath does not mean he isnt indoctrinated.    

What if there are no good choices in the final 3?  They are all given to us....we are blinded by indoctrination into assuming they are the right choices... this entity has been wiping out entire civilisations and we are meant to trust his options? maybe the right choice is not to choose from the choices given but follow your own path?  Thats why his reaper voice sounds pissed off when you do.

As far as the traitor on the normandy is concerned it would have to be EDI.  now call me paranoid but how do you know that Dr Eva didn't survive and is masquerading as EDI?  Dont forget TIM said they would ensure that EVA stayed loyal.  Surely that would apply to hardware as well as software?

[Dark_Enclave33]

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