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[Restrider]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

We have
Sovereign class dreadnoughts
Destroyers
Processor ships
Troop transports
mentioned in the codex in ME3...

Right, which is what those in the picture are, most likely.

No, there are no Destroyers and each ship is about the same size.

We do not know...

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Rifneno wrote...

Leviathan specifically stated that a SINGLE Reaper is created each cycle. Something along the lines of "Perfect in its construction, in our image".

Hm, suppose that could mean they use every viable body from a species to construct the single Reaper capital ship, regardless of how many bodies they need to "complete" one. Say they needed two billion to build one, but had eight billion, the extra six billion would still go into the structure. Maybe more organic goo = a stronger Reaper, or stronger mind more likely since all Sovereign class don't seem to differ in firepower. At least, there's no mention of much difference.

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, suppose that could mean they use every viable body from a species to construct the single Reaper capital ship, regardless of how many bodies they need to "complete" one. Say they needed two billion to build one, but had eight billion, the extra six billion would still go into the structure. Maybe more organic goo = a stronger Reaper, or stronger mind more likely since all Sovereign class don't seem to differ in firepower. At least, there's no mention of much difference.

Maybe they just huskify the spares for future use?

[gunslinger_ruiz]

RavenEyry wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Hm, suppose that could mean they use every viable body from a species to construct the single Reaper capital ship, regardless of how many bodies they need to "complete" one. Say they needed two billion to build one, but had eight billion, the extra six billion would still go into the structure. Maybe more organic goo = a stronger Reaper, or stronger mind more likely since all Sovereign class don't seem to differ in firepower. At least, there's no mention of much difference.

Maybe they just huskify the spares for future use?

According to Vigil the husks are usually left over when the Reapers leave, leaving them to starve and die off on whatever planet they were deployed to. The Collectors were a special case it seems, being modified for future use, but EDI did theorize the Protheans couldn't be made into a Reaper so that could be why.

It seems a terrible waste of resources to huskify spares anyway seeing as they "need" us for construction.

[Fur28]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

We have
Sovereign class dreadnoughts
Destroyers
Processor ships
Troop transports
mentioned in the codex in ME3...

Right, which is what those in the picture are, most likely.

No, there are no Destroyers and each ship is about the same size.

Then there are no Destroyers there. Doesn't change the idea.

Then the codex could be missing a reaper class, or one reaper class can have two different designs

Modifié par Fur28, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Restrider wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Restrider wrote...

We have
Sovereign class dreadnoughts
Destroyers
Processor ships
Troop transports
mentioned in the codex in ME3...

Right, which is what those in the picture are, most likely.

No, there are no Destroyers and each ship is about the same size.

We do not know...

We actually do as it shows them from multiple angles.

[dorktainian]

Just had a thought. is the citadel a reaper shell construction facility? You get your indoctrinated workers living there, along comes the crudible (duracell for reapers), the harvest begins while the workers construct the shell....the reaper itself constructed elsewhere(chronos / collector base).... then when the reaper is assembled complete the arms are opened, the gravity turned off, and all inhabitants are ejected off into space. Then the reapers use the relay to return to darkspace. Think of the citadel being like an egg. The birthplace of a reaper.

Does this confirm IT?

[RavenEyry]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

According to Vigil the husks are usually left over when the Reapers leave, leaving them to starve and die off on whatever planet they were deployed to. The Collectors were a special case it seems, being modified for future use, but EDI did theorize the Protheans couldn't be made into a Reaper so that could be why.

It seems a terrible waste of resources to huskify spares anyway seeing as they "need" us for construction.

Ah right so he does. So yeah, it's either destroyers or extras in the capital.
Or possibly the other kinds, but they might be similarly sized to capitals, so I don't know if there'd be enough.

[Rifneno]

I think you're all missing the most obvious answer: They just decided to drop those other ship types.

Yes, they ARE capital ships. Because look at the size of them. While it's true we don't have perspective on distance, due to the sheer size of a capital ship in comparison to any other Reaper, the only way those ships could be other kinds is if they have all the other Reaper right up close to the camera and all the capital ships are many, many times farther away for the sole purpose of creating an optical illusion for this viewpoint we see. Oh, and right after you get that shot you get a side view that shows that's clearly not the case in case anyone was foolish enough to think so. So no. Those are capital ships. Yet, we see an assload of Reaper capital ships in ME3 and they all look exactly the same (save for Harbinger and his smiley face eyes). And Leviathans mentioned that a single Reaper is created in their image.

So yeah, I'm going with "they dropped that idea between ME2 and ME3."

[RavenEyry]

Fur28 wrote...

Then the codex could be missing a reaper class, or one reaper class can have two different designs

Capital's certainly have at least two, just look at Harbinger.

[hukbum]

Rifneno wrote...

Leviathan specifically stated that a SINGLE Reaper is created each cycle. Something along the lines of "Perfect in its construction, in our image".

That doesn't work. If every cycle just manage to destroy one capital ship we would only face a handfull or none of them.
This "single reaper" the Leviathans mentioned makes no sense at all.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

So yeah, I'm going with "they dropped that idea between ME2 and ME3."

No those models appear in a science station in 3. Though I suppose that mission could have been made early in production.

[dorktainian]

is there a dream theory thread somewhere?  

anyone remember Star Trek generations when Pickard (my IDOL....another fellow hudders town fan Sir Patrick of Stewart) is trapped in the time distortion?  everything in there is an illusion and he is happy.... until he sees in a xmas tree bauble the reflection of the dying star which causes him to question why he is there?  What if the reaper models in the lab are the same kind of thing.  A representation of the 'real' world?Time has no meaning there.  Everything is happening but the time doesnt behave the same.  some kind of temporal nexus if i remember correctly.  

Lets take a leap shall we.  IT exists.. but as a part of some temporal distortion created by the reapers.  You are doing their bidding and you dont even know you are doing it because they control everything you see around you in this reality?  You get to the decision chamber (somehow) because they allow it.  They want you there.  

Modifié par dorktainian, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:46 .

[Rifneno]

hukbum wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Leviathan specifically stated that a SINGLE Reaper is created each cycle. Something along the lines of "Perfect in its construction, in our image".

That doesn't work. If every cycle just manage to destroy one capital ship we would only face a handfull or none of them.
This "single reaper" the Leviathans mentioned makes no sense at all.

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So yeah, I'm going with "they dropped that idea between ME2 and ME3."

No those models appear in a science station in 3. Though I suppose that mission could have been made early in production.

There was nothing at all to indicate that little hologram was of a capital ship.

[RavenEyry]

Rifneno wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

So yeah, I'm going with "they dropped that idea between ME2 and ME3."

No those models appear in a science station in 3. Though I suppose that mission could have been made early in production.

There was nothing at all to indicate that little hologram was of a capital ship.

But it was the same design as one from the group shot in 2. You said yourself it can't be an optical illusion.

I agree they were dropped, though fanwank can put them as harvesters. I just wonder why their image still appeared even though none were seen 'in the flesh' as it were.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

Implying our cycle is like previous ones.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:45 .

[TheProtheans]

Rifneno wrote...
One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

It is also a reason why Mass effect 3 is just bad writing.
Reapers don't usually use bad tactics, in ME3 they become stupid and lose loads of Reapers.

Doesn't make any sense to do that, just bad writing.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

Implying our cycle is like previous ones.

Yeah, in billions of years, no civilization has ever been as militarily powerful as ours.

Seriously, are you high right now?

[BleedingUranium]

TheProtheans wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

It is also a reason why Mass effect 3 is just bad writing.
Reapers don't usually use bad tactics, in ME3 they become stupid and lose loads of Reapers.

Doesn't make any sense to do that, just bad writing.

Can you prove bad writing?

...

That's what I thought.

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

It is also a reason why Mass effect 3 is just bad writing.
Reapers don't usually use bad tactics, in ME3 they become stupid and lose loads of Reapers.

Doesn't make any sense to do that, just bad writing.

Can you prove bad writing?

...

That's what I thought.

Can you prove you're not on cocaine?

....

That's what I thought.

[BleedingUranium]

Rifneno wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

Implying our cycle is like previous ones.

Yeah, in billions of years, no civilization has ever been as militarily powerful as ours.

Seriously, are you high right now?

Warning they were coming and no Citadel trap. And Commander Shepard.

And no, I'm not.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 12:49 .

[Fur28]

TheProtheans wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Which is one of many, many, many reasons that people who think conventional victory is possible should have to pee in a cup.

It is also a reason why Mass effect 3 is just bad writing.
Reapers don't usually use bad tactics, in ME3 they become stupid and lose loads of Reapers.

Doesn't make any sense to do that, just bad writing.

Reapers are like ninjas
1 Ninja= stealth killing machine that can take down an empire
many ninjas= big pack of wuzzies

[hukbum]

Rifneno wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Leviathan specifically stated that a SINGLE Reaper is created each cycle. Something along the lines of "Perfect in its construction, in our image".

That doesn't work. If every cycle just manage to destroy one capital ship we would only face a handfull or none of them.
This "single reaper" the Leviathans mentioned makes no sense at all.

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Hmm. Didn't know that. And it's kind of in direct contradiction to Palavan, where the Turian and Krogan managed to destroy "severel" (more than 2) capital ships.
And still - the factor decrease would be quite high on the numbers overall. And how the hell did they handle the first cycle with one capital ship?
One explanation could be that the first cycles where much shorter or they reaped everything that couldn't hide fast enough (synthetics destroy all organics ... sounds familiar).

[BleedingUranium]

hukbum wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

hukbum wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Leviathan specifically stated that a SINGLE Reaper is created each cycle. Something along the lines of "Perfect in its construction, in our image".

That doesn't work. If every cycle just manage to destroy one capital ship we would only face a handfull or none of them.
This "single reaper" the Leviathans mentioned makes no sense at all.

One of the writers specifically said once that the Reapers don't usually lose even a single capital ship per cycle.

Hmm. Didn't know that. And it's kind of in direct contradiction to Palavan, where the Turian and Krogan managed to destroy "severel" (more than 2) capital ships.
And still - the factor decrease would be quite high on the numbers overall. And how the hell did they handle the first cycle with one capital ship?
One explanation could be that the first cycles where much shorter or they reaped everything that couldn't hide fast enough (synthetics destroy all organics ... sounds familiar).

Harbinger's awesome

That's one of the things that makes me suspicious of Leviathan, though.

[RavenEyry]

I highly doubt there have never been suicide bombing tactics ever before. I said ages ago that I thought reaper numbers were unsustainable. It's a possible reason literal catalyst is so eager to change the solution because his will fail eventually.