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[gunslinger_ruiz]

hukbum wrote...


And now run the numbers with 0,5 or 0,8 and you'll see a huge decrease in the numbers.
I have no problem with the numbers (we don't know them) of this cycle, I have some problem with the early cycles where they didn't have the numbers to act like that.
Cycle one had one capital ship ...


Edit: A little cleanup ...

The first cycle, the Leviathan's harvest, didn't even have that, but they were still harvested. I suspect through indoctrinated armies and such, must have taken a long time as well. 50,000 years later, the next civilization would have grown along the desired path using technology from the Citadel and Mass Relays, not nearly advanced enough by the time Harbinger and Reaper Indoctrination came into play. Plausible for the early cycles to fall regardless of Reaper numbers, our cycle only fiars better because we had 2 and a half years to study and learn from Sovereign's corpse. But even with that head start, Reaper numbers are staggering.

[BleedingUranium]

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

While you may have an opinion that is is perfect, it goes against logic and I would debate with you until you saw reason.

But you don't debate. You just go 'Nuh-uh' and BleedingUranium goes 'Uh-huh'.

Yeah, someone else can take over if they want, I made my point.

[estebanus]

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

While you may have an opinion that is is perfect, it goes against logic and I would debate with you until you saw reason.

But you don't debate. You just go 'Nuh-uh' and BleedingUranium goes 'Uh-huh'.

One can't debate the IT because it's unfalsifiable. The only thing that could disprove it would be BioWare, as the game can't. Even if an extra DLC would be released where Shepard gets saved from the rubble and everybody llives happy until the end of their days, the IT would still be a possibility. You simply can't disprove that the ending sequence could have been a dream. 

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Vigil said they're probably vulnerable while hibernating. I say that's how we beat them.

And how would you defeat them while they're hibernating? You don't even know where they are! Dark space it too big an areal to accurately sweep.

They'd obviously hibernate beside the partner to the Citadel relay, which most likely also serves as a dock for the Collector Black Arks.

An idea I had was that we open the Citadel relay and sent the whole Earth fleet through, forcing the Reapers to follow, and be on the defensive for once. We then board the EvilCitadel and activate the hibernation signal/command/thing, powering down all the Reapers. We could then choose to keep the sleeping Reapers and station for study, or destroy the EvilCitadel (which is a mass relay) and the explosion would destroy all the Reapers that were at Earth, which was most of them.

That sounds like the final decision of ME2, 
if we choose keep the reapers TIM will be so happy

Yep, but I only added it for decision's sake. It'd probably be better if we just destroyed them no matter what.

[BleedingUranium]

estebanus wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

While you may have an opinion that is is perfect, it goes against logic and I would debate with you until you saw reason.

But you don't debate. You just go 'Nuh-uh' and BleedingUranium goes 'Uh-huh'.

One can't debate the IT because it's unfalsifiable. The only thing that could disprove it would be BioWare, as the game can't. Even if an extra DLC would be released where Shepard gets saved from the rubble and everybody llives happy until the end of their days, the IT would still be a possibility. You simply can't disprove that the ending sequence could have been a dream. 

Actually, adding pretty much anything after the breath scene would confirm or deny it.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:19 .

[TheProtheans]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Bad writing is an opinion, you do have to prove an opinion.

If the narrative isn't coherent I do not have to.
It is merely an observation.

And from a point of view different than yours, the narrative is perfectly coherent. Once again, opinion and point of view. You're going to find that many of the truths you cling to depend greatly on your own point of view.

It's not a opinion, it's an observation on the game.
One who would inspect Mass effect 3 would find nothing really adds up.
While you may have an opinion that is is perfect, it goes against logic and I would debate with you until you saw reason.

We looked at the same thing and saw two different things. As of right now, neither of us are right. Bad writing remains your interpretation of Mass Effect 3, no more valid than mine.

It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

[Fur28]

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Vigil said they're probably vulnerable while hibernating. I say that's how we beat them.

And how would you defeat them while they're hibernating? You don't even know where they are! Dark space it too big an areal to accurately sweep.

They'd obviously hibernate beside the partner to the Citadel relay, which most likely also serves as a dock for the Collector Black Arks.

An idea I had was that we open the Citadel relay and sent the whole Earth fleet through, forcing the Reapers to follow, and be on the defensive for once. We then board the EvilCitadel and activate the hibernation signal/command/thing, powering down all the Reapers. We could then choose to keep the sleeping Reapers and station for study, or destroy the EvilCitadel (which is a mass relay) and the explosion would destroy all the Reapers that were at Earth, which was most of them.

The keepers are the only ones who can open the relay, as far as we know. Not only that, but there is no such thing as an Evil Citadel. The Reapers probably simply have a Mass relay there. 

Also, the Reapers are already there. Why would some be sleeping in Dark Space? 

We could learn to control or comunicate with the keepers using the scannig from ME1, maybe who knows, in Citadel DLC
Question: how did the reapers came from dark sapce in ME3?, i only know that it was in batarian space

[Fur28]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Vigil said they're probably vulnerable while hibernating. I say that's how we beat them.

And how would you defeat them while they're hibernating? You don't even know where they are! Dark space it too big an areal to accurately sweep.

They'd obviously hibernate beside the partner to the Citadel relay, which most likely also serves as a dock for the Collector Black Arks.

An idea I had was that we open the Citadel relay and sent the whole Earth fleet through, forcing the Reapers to follow, and be on the defensive for once. We then board the EvilCitadel and activate the hibernation signal/command/thing, powering down all the Reapers. We could then choose to keep the sleeping Reapers and station for study, or destroy the EvilCitadel (which is a mass relay) and the explosion would destroy all the Reapers that were at Earth, which was most of them.

That sounds like the final decision of ME2, 
if we choose keep the reapers TIM will be so happy

Yep, but I only added it for decision's sake. It'd probably be better if we just destroyed them no matter what.

:oYou emotionless monster, how can you say that? the reapers were only trying to save you.... by killling you..... well the intention is what matters:D

[Norlond]

Good afternoon people!

Have a BUMP for ~science~!
That is, if you consider psychology proper science

[hukbum]

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Fur28 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

estebanus wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Vigil said they're probably vulnerable while hibernating. I say that's how we beat them.

And how would you defeat them while they're hibernating? You don't even know where they are! Dark space it too big an areal to accurately sweep.

They'd obviously hibernate beside the partner to the Citadel relay, which most likely also serves as a dock for the Collector Black Arks.

An idea I had was that we open the Citadel relay and sent the whole Earth fleet through, forcing the Reapers to follow, and be on the defensive for once. We then board the EvilCitadel and activate the hibernation signal/command/thing, powering down all the Reapers. We could then choose to keep the sleeping Reapers and station for study, or destroy the EvilCitadel (which is a mass relay) and the explosion would destroy all the Reapers that were at Earth, which was most of them.

The keepers are the only ones who can open the relay, as far as we know. Not only that, but there is no such thing as an Evil Citadel. The Reapers probably simply have a Mass relay there. 

Also, the Reapers are already there. Why would some be sleeping in Dark Space? 

We could learn to control or comunicate with the keepers using the scannig from ME1, maybe who knows, in Citadel DLC
Question: how did the reapers came from dark sapce in ME3?, i only know that it was in batarian space

The Reapers flew from Dark Space towards the Alpha Relay using conventional FTL travel. Folliwng the Alpha Relays destruction they headed for the nearest normal Relay and invaded Batarain space, crushing them. From there it was standard Relay travel until they reached Citadel space.

At least that is what we are told / is indicated.

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:30 .

[TheProtheans]

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

It's not my opinion, this is clearly a theory hence IT.
Why would I leave?

[CoolioThane]

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

It's not my opinion, this is clearly a theory hence IT.
Why would I leave?

It's been said countless times by Bioware that IT is as valid an intperpretation as literal. 

[TheProtheans]

CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

It's not my opinion, this is clearly a theory hence IT.
Why would I leave?

It's been said countless times by Bioware that IT is as valid an intperpretation as literal. 

"Indoctrination Theory"


Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!



It's not "The ending was a Hallucination"
It is "Was the ending a Hallucination?"

It's not as valid, even the OP's English implies this.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:54 .

[BleedingUranium]

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

It's not my opinion, this is clearly a theory hence IT.
Why would I leave?

It's been said countless times by Bioware that IT is as valid an intperpretation as literal. 

"Indoctrination Theory"


Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

Yes, theory. As in, a theory by the proper definition of the word. You're getting theory confused with hypothesis.

[TheProtheans]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
It's actually much more valid as it is the literal version and not a theory that the ending didn't actually happen.

In your opinion it is and no, your opinion isn't more valid.
And now - how about you start a "bad writing" topic and leave?

It's not my opinion, this is clearly a theory hence IT.
Why would I leave?

It's been said countless times by Bioware that IT is as valid an intperpretation as literal. 

"Indoctrination Theory"


Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!

Yes, theory. As in, a theory by the proper definition of the word. You're getting theory confused with hypothesis.

Not sure what you're getting at, but yes I am sure it is a valid theory to you guys.

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

Not sure what you're getting at, but yes I am sure it is a valid theory to you guys.

As 'everything is completely real and as stated by characters' is a valid theory to you.

[TheProtheans]

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Not sure what you're getting at, but yes I am sure it is a valid theory to you guys.

As 'everything is completely real and as stated by characters' is a valid theory to you.

No it's the literal version.
I simply don't like it enough to have a theory about it.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 11 décembre 2012 - 01:58 .

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

No it's the literal version.
I simply don't like it enough to have a theory about it.

And it's just as valid an interpretation as IT. Adding the word 'literal' to something doesn't magically make it better than anything without the label.

[masster blaster]

TheProthean Chris already said IT is Vaild. It happened when Shepp77 tried to move the IT thread to fan fic, yet Chris said no.

[shadoww6021]

TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Not sure what you're getting at, but yes I am sure it is a valid theory to you guys.

As 'everything is completely real and as stated by characters' is a valid theory to you.

No it's the literal version.
I simply don't like it enough to have a theory about it.

and were back to you using your opinion over facts.

[Rifneno]

I don't know why you guys keep trying to reason with that thing.

[The Heretic of Time]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Yes, theory. As in, a theory by the proper definition of the word. You're getting theory confused with hypothesis.

The IT isn't a proper theory if you're going to use the scientific definition of the word "theory". I think it's you who's confusing theory with hypothesis.

Wait, no, scratch that. The IT isn't even a proper hypthesis. It's just fanon, a fan theory.

[TheProtheans]

masster blaster wrote...

TheProthean Chris already said IT is Vaild. It happened when Shepp77 tried to move the IT thread to fan fic, yet Chris said no.

And Jessica said EDI was not made of Reaper tech.
It's merely to appeal to the masses whoever they may be.

I'd prefer if Bioware said it was just as valid as the literal version.
The literal version is already complete, that alone makes it more valid.

[TheProtheans]

shadoww6021 wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

Not sure what you're getting at, but yes I am sure it is a valid theory to you guys.

As 'everything is completely real and as stated by characters' is a valid theory to you.

No it's the literal version.
I simply don't like it enough to have a theory about it.

and were back to you using your opinion over facts.

It's not my opinion I don like it enough, it's a fact I don't like it.