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[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

TheProthean Chris already said IT is Vaild. It happened when Shepp77 tried to move the IT thread to fan fic, yet Chris said no.

And Chris also said that there will be no more ending DLC. Chris also said the endings are done, finished, finito. So why are you folks still hoping for an IT reveal?

[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Yes, theory. As in, a theory by the proper definition of the word. You're getting theory confused with hypothesis.

The IT isn't a proper theory if you're going to use the scientific definition of the word "theory". I think it's you who's confusing theory with hypothesis.

Wait, no, scratch that. The IT isn't even a proper hypthesis. It's just fanon, a fan theory.

the·o·ry
/ˈTHēərē/NounA supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"
A set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based: "a theory of education"; "music theory".


Synonyms    doctrine - ism

[Norlond]

archangel1996 wrote...

http://images.tribe....38-67d29898dc06


.......WOW, it's accurate

[shadoww6021]

i've been reading through these arguments, and by the looks of it neither side will give in, and for good reason. it just seems strange that the same points are being brought up in a repetitive cycle. if were willing to debate, try to be creative in your points. this goes for both sides.

[RavenEyry]

TheProtheans wrote...

The literal version is already complete, that alone makes it more valid.

Not it isn't there's loads of details missing.

[umadcommander]

shadoww6021 wrote...

i've been reading through these arguments, and by the looks of it neither side will give in, and for good reason. it just seems strange that the same points are being brought up in a repetitive cycle. if were willing to debate, try to be creative in your points. this goes for both sides.

the cycle cannot be broken

[BleedingUranium]

I'm going to ignore all trolls until they bring up a point that hasn't been countered already.

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Yes, theory. As in, a theory by the proper definition of the word. You're getting theory confused with hypothesis.

The IT isn't a proper theory if you're going to use the scientific definition of the word "theory". I think it's you who's confusing theory with hypothesis.

Wait, no, scratch that. The IT isn't even a proper hypthesis. It's just fanon, a fan theory.

the·o·ry
/ˈTHēərē/NounA supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, esp. one based on general principles independent of the thing to be...: "Darwin's theory of evolution"
A set of principles on which the practice of an activity is based: "a theory of education"; "music theory".

Synonyms    doctrine - ism

Which is what the IT isn't.


The IT is:

2. a proposed explanation whose status is still conjectural and subject to experimentation, in contrast to well-established propositions that are regarded as reporting matters of actual fact. 
Synonyms: idea, notion hypothesis, postulate.



But more than that, the IT is just:


Fanon. Fanon is the set of theories based on that material which, while they generally seem to be the "obvious" or "only" interpretation of canonical fact, are not actually part of the canon. Fanon fills in holes that the writers may have deliberately left in order to have fodder for later stories.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 11 décembre 2012 - 02:13 .

[masster blaster]

Heritca if it was fan Theory Bioware would have told us/ byne back in march that no it's fan theory. Just like they told the Dark matter speculators that no Dark Matter end, and they now are in the fan fic.

Also Again Chris already said IT is vaild, and again Shepp77 tried to ask for Bioware to move the IT thread to fan fic, but again we are still here. I could say the Literal interpitation is fan fic because Bioware never said the endings are literal/ no IT.

Besides before the EC came out they said " we will comfir nor deni IT" If the Epilogues are an exstended cut of the Indoctrination attempt, then isn't that vaild as seeing everything literally.

[TheProtheans]

masster blaster wrote...

Heritca if it was fan Theory Bioware would have told us/ byne back in march that no it's fan theory. Just like they told the Dark matter speculators that no Dark Matter end, and they now are in the fan fic.

Also Again Chris already said IT is vaild, and again Shepp77 tried to ask for Bioware to move the IT thread to fan fic, but again we are still here. I could say the Literal interpitation is fan fic because Bioware never said the endings are literal/ no IT.

Besides before the EC came out they said " we will comfir nor deni IT" If the Epilogues are an exstended cut of the Indoctrination attempt, then isn't that vaild as seeing everything literally.

Dark matter wasn't a valid theory, IT is.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Guys, they won't go away if you keep responding to them.

[shadoww6021]

TheProtheans wrote...

Dark matter wasn't a valid theory, IT is.

i'm surprised some of the more ravenous IT'ers havn't jumped on this yet:bandit:

[The Heretic of Time]

masster blaster wrote...

Heritca if it was fan Theory Bioware would have told us/ byne back in march that no it's fan theory. Just like they told the Dark matter speculators that no Dark Matter end, and they now are in the fan fic.

We don't need Chris to know that the IT is obviously a fan theory, or fanon. It's a theory made by fans, ergo a fan theory or fanon. It's not rocket science.

Fanon is the set of theories based on that material which, while they generally seem to be the "obvious" or "only" interpretation of canonical fact, are not actually part of the canon. Fanon fills in holes that the writers may have deliberately left in order to have fodder for later stories.

Also Again Chris already said IT is vaild, and again Shepp77 tried to ask for Bioware to move the IT thread to fan fic, but again we are still here. I could say the Literal interpitation is fan fic because Bioware never said the endings are literal/ no IT.

Accepting the endings at face-value is not fan-fiction, a fan theory or fanon. We don't need to jump through hoops to see that the ending is just a crappy written ending, that is in fact so crap that the IT doesnt even remotely fix it.

And again, Chris also has said that the endings are done, finished, over, finito. So why are you guys still waiting for a big IT reveal?

Besides before the EC came out they said " we will comfir nor deni IT" If the Epilogues are an exstended cut of the Indoctrination attempt, then isn't that vaild as seeing everything literally.

Chris said the endings are done and finished. There will not be added anything to the endings anymore after the EC. So the IT is moot. It's a pointless theory as long as BioWare doesn't expand on it. So why do you keep hoping for an IT reveal?

[Rifneno]

BleedingUranium wrote...

I'm going to ignore all trolls until they bring up a point that hasn't been countered already.

That implies you're still reading their posts.  So, as they say...

[masster blaster]

And Hanar what's to say Bioware is lying to Literal interpiation. If your saying Bioware is just saying this to IT, then what's to say about Literal. Honest Bioware can lie. What's to say Bioware could lie to Literalist, as well as ITers. Also a reason why Bioware is not doing anymore end dlc's is because maybe if they announced one, then fans would ***** about " Do this and do that, if this person dies, than I am done." Also Chris denied Omega dlc, Chris denied Project .

You can say that Chris could have lied to use that IT is vaild, but what about Literal. Do you believe Bioware is not lying to literalist because what they says is true. I find it funny you believe Bioware's word, yet point out the facts Bioware can lie.

We just have to wait and see what Bioware plans, and it starts with this next dlc coming up.

[dorktainian]

trollooolllooolllooollooooooooo

do you work for bioware heretic?  

Modifié par dorktainian, 11 décembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[RavenEyry]

Heretic's right about the fanon thing. Just leave him with that instead of going round in circles.

[CoolioThane]

No one respond to them. IT is as valid as literal, as stated by Bioware.

[Lokanaiya]

My sole response to the trolls will be this single post I wrote a few days ago:

Gravity isn't "proven," because it never CAN be, it simply has an enormous amount of evidence to prove its existence and no other adequate explanation (so far) that would explain the events that occur around us. However, it can never be proven true since we can't see gravity itself, only its effects.

As for how the relates to IT, IT also has an enormous amount of evidence to prove its existence with no other adequate explanation that would explain the events in both the ending and throughout ME3. (In fact, the only other explanations given have a lot of evidence that points toward them being total BS) Hence, since the only way to "prove" IT is Word of God, it either is a scientific theory or is close enough to being one that that it is OK to call it such in common conversation.

/science nerd

... And there will be no more replies to troll posts from this user for the moment.

[masster blaster]

Wel I will say this debatin/ arguing over the pass 9 months has helped me better myself in debates at school. So thank you everyone. Now I have to make a case on who was the real monster in Frankinstein. I choose the monster. Victor is one to, but the Monster is in my opinion a monster. Not because of his apperence, but his actions.

[Ageless Face]

Man, even in here nothing changed? Still fighting over "IT is/isn't a valid interpretation"?

Got to admire your endurance.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 11 décembre 2012 - 02:44 .

[dorktainian]

So much has been lost, so much forgotten. So much pain, so much blood. And for what, I wonder.

The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast terrible inbetween.

But there is still time to seize that one last fragile moment. To choose something better, to make a difference, as you say. And I intend to do just that. 

[Lokanaiya]

If you want to really impress the teacher, say that society was the real monster and point out that the book was written based on the whole "a person is a blank slate and inherently good until written upon and twisted by society." The monster was a very good person at first, and it wasn't until he was spurned repeatedly by both Frankenstein and society that he became the thing that he is at the end, like a lion playing with his prey (Frankenstein) before eating it. That's what I put, and I got extra credit on an assignment that didn't even have the option.

[IronSabbath88]

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

[shadoww6021]

dorktainian wrote...

So much has been lost, so much forgotten. So much pain, so much blood. And for what, I wonder.

The past tempts us, the present confuses us, and the future frightens us. And our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast terrible inbetween.

But there is still time to seize that one last fragile moment. To choose something better, to make a difference, as you say. And I intend to do just that. 

thus is the life of an indoctrination theory believer.