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[dorktainian]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

And Hanar what's to say Bioware is lying to Literal interpiation. If your saying Bioware is just saying this to IT, then what's to say about Literal. Honest Bioware can lie. What's to say Bioware could lie to Literalist, as well as ITers. Also a reason why Bioware is not doing anymore end dlc's is because maybe if they announced one, then fans would ***** about " Do this and do that, if this person dies, than I am done." Also Chris denied Omega dlc, Chris denied Project .

You can say that Chris could have lied to use that IT is vaild, but what about Literal. Do you believe Bioware is not lying to literalist because what they says is true. I find it funny you believe Bioware's word, yet point out the facts Bioware can lie.

We just have to wait and see what Bioware plans, and it starts with this next dlc coming up.

It would be nice if you would at least try to write your comments in proper English so I can try to understand them and reply to them.

But as I understand it, you're saying that Chris Priestly is lying? Then he could also be lying that the IT is a valid intepretation. It goes both ways buddy. Either you accept Chris is speaking the truth when he repeatedly said that the endings are done and won't be expanded upon anymore, which makes waiting for an IT reveal a waste of time. Or you can believe Chris Priestly is lying (for whatever reason), which means he could also be lying when he said "the IT is a valid intepretation".

 you dont need much to confirm IT.  The ending does not need changing.  

[Ageless Face]

estebanus wrote...
Don't worry. It most likely won't. And even if, what then?

But who with will the ruling Reapers play with? Themselves?

Oooh, will they make a human slide? An Asari swing? 

RavenEyry wrote...
GASP! That must be the next game they're talking about: Mass Effect Karting!
Everything else has a karting spinoff.

Will it have multiplayer?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:10 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

Fact is also that Chris Priestly said that the endings aren't going to be changed, altered or expanded upon.

But we're not asking for an expansion of the endings.  We already got that in the EC.  What we want is an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings.

Which they also denied to do. If it comes it is because money.

[AresKeith]

Does anyone else think an RTS like section would have worked in Mass Effect?

[The Heretic of Time]

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

Fact is also that Chris Priestly said that the endings aren't going to be changed, altered or expanded upon.

But we're not asking for an expansion of the endings.  We already got that in the EC.  What we want is an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings.

an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings = expansion of the endings. It's the same thing. BioWare won't do it in any way or form. Chris said this, not only one, not twice, but repeatedly.

[MegumiAzusa]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...
And Chris also said that there will be no more ending DLC. Chris also said the endings are done, finished, finito. So why are you folks still hoping for an IT reveal?

Because an "IT reveal" would in no way shape or form have to alter the endings as they currently stand.  It wouldn't even have to alter the Catalyst conversation.

Endings done, finished, finito = / = people's perception of the endings done, finished, finito.

Bioware could quite easily release a dlc/expansion set BEFORE the events at Cronos Station which gives us concrete evidence that the Catalyst is trying to bend Shepard to the Reapers will.  Hell, some would suggest that Leviathan already did that.

And with plenty of DLC still to come and unresolved issues in the form of Harbinger, the Reaper's reasons for moving the Citadel to Earth etc, Bioware could well have more than a few twists and turns left before ME3's story is done.

Leviathan does also confirm the Guardians existence and its motives.

[RavenEyry]

[quote]HagarIshay wrote...
RavenEyry wrote...
GASP! That must be the next game they're talking about: Mass Effect Karting!
Everything else has a karting spinoff.

[/quote]
Will it have multiplayer?[/quote]
Be a pretty rubbish karting game if it didn't.

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

Well, but indoctrination is different. It changes Shepard's self.

[shadoww6021]

AresKeith wrote...

Does anyone else think an RTS like section would have worked in Mass Effect?

a whole RTS game would be amazing if done right.

[Lokanaiya]

Demersel, I'd like to hear it, but yeah, this may not be the best time. However, since I've already given my one response to the trolls and will not continue to feed them, I'll read it and respond to it. (probably, if I don't get called away to get to class.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

Fact is also that Chris Priestly said that the endings aren't going to be changed, altered or expanded upon.

But we're not asking for an expansion of the endings.  We already got that in the EC.  What we want is an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings.

an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings = expansion of the endings. It's the same thing. BioWare won't do it in any way or form. Chris said this, not only one, not twice, but repeatedly.

Does that make Dragon Age: Awakening, an expansion of the Dragon Age: Origins endings? 

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:12 .

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, I've been thinking about the whole 'Legion chose synthesis' thing, and how the Geth consensus seems to foreshadow the ending.

I am still playing through the game and have yet to play that mission again, but here's a thought for now.

Even though the memories you see in the consensus about the start of the morning war may actually be truthful, and Legion isn't intentionally misleading you, I do think there's a twist here.

- No matter how hard you try, you can't completely eradicate the Reaper code from the memory banks. There's always a root that will stay there. Design oversight? I think not.
- If you allow the Geth to use the Reaper code to ascend to true AI status, the Geth will upload themselves into the suits of the Quarians, essentially helping to make them healthier.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legion is evil and he's purposely deceiving you. However, I do think there's a good chance that (even though he's doing it with the best intentions - just like Shepard chooses synthesis with the best intentions) the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code may end up biting you in the ass in a next game.

Just think of the Zha'til. The AI at some point took control over their hosts.

If the Reaper code in the Geth rewrites itself, there may be a possibility that the Geth (under Reaper control) will take over the Quarians. In this case you will have essentially created a new enemy faction; the Collector version of the Quarians, a fusion of Geth AI and Quarians.

Again, I still need to play through it again, but I do think making peace between Geth and Quarians may turn out to be a wrong decision.

Just because of that Reaper code. People say it's 'repurposed', but I'm not buying it. There's a reason we couldn't fully remove the roots of that code. It's self-replicating. It will just restore itself to how it was before.

While I agree with all your points, I'd like to point out one thing that i noticed after replaying through the  mission several times - these strands and roots that you can eradicate - they wither and die, the more of the code you destroy - so you sever connection in one place - and it dies of in anothe also - that is why i think that by doing the consesnus mission we severed just enough code to eventually kill it. But of course this is just a hope. Anyway -the point is moot.

And geth + quarians are no synthesis. Geth + Quarians are symbiosis. which an entirely different thing. 
I think in that matter - it is the same as kuring the Genophage - Krogans can well turn out to be a menace to the galaxy once again - but to break the cycle of hate and grudges you need to do a good thing once -  and hope for the best. Same as with the rachni queen. 

[The Heretic of Time]

dorktainian wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

And Hanar what's to say Bioware is lying to Literal interpiation. If your saying Bioware is just saying this to IT, then what's to say about Literal. Honest Bioware can lie. What's to say Bioware could lie to Literalist, as well as ITers. Also a reason why Bioware is not doing anymore end dlc's is because maybe if they announced one, then fans would ***** about " Do this and do that, if this person dies, than I am done." Also Chris denied Omega dlc, Chris denied Project .

You can say that Chris could have lied to use that IT is vaild, but what about Literal. Do you believe Bioware is not lying to literalist because what they says is true. I find it funny you believe Bioware's word, yet point out the facts Bioware can lie.

We just have to wait and see what Bioware plans, and it starts with this next dlc coming up.

It would be nice if you would at least try to write your comments in proper English so I can try to understand them and reply to them.

But as I understand it, you're saying that Chris Priestly is lying? Then he could also be lying that the IT is a valid intepretation. It goes both ways buddy. Either you accept Chris is speaking the truth when he repeatedly said that the endings are done and won't be expanded upon anymore, which makes waiting for an IT reveal a waste of time. Or you can believe Chris Priestly is lying (for whatever reason), which means he could also be lying when he said "the IT is a valid intepretation".

 you dont need much to confirm IT.  The ending does not need changing.  

I don't say the endings NEED changing. I'm saying that the endings WON'T be changed OR expanded upon, because BioWare said so. So an IT reveal would be completely meaningless when the game ends the way it does now. The only reason why BioWare would ever do that is to appease the ITers, who are in a vast minority, so that's unlikely gonna happen.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:13 .

[Ageless Face]

RavenEyry wrote...
Be a pretty rubbish karting game if it didn't.

...Good point.

But it's EA we're talking about. They're so full of rubbish they can't tell the difference.

[MegumiAzusa]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, I've been thinking about the whole 'Legion chose synthesis' thing, and how the Geth consensus seems to foreshadow the ending.

I am still playing through the game and have yet to play that mission again, but here's a thought for now.

Even though the memories you see in the consensus about the start of the morning war may actually be truthful, and Legion isn't intentionally misleading you, I do think there's a twist here.

- No matter how hard you try, you can't completely eradicate the Reaper code from the memory banks. There's always a root that will stay there. Design oversight? I think not.
- If you allow the Geth to use the Reaper code to ascend to true AI status, the Geth will upload themselves into the suits of the Quarians, essentially helping to make them healthier.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legion is evil and he's purposely deceiving you. However, I do think there's a good chance that (even though he's doing it with the best intentions - just like Shepard chooses synthesis with the best intentions) the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code may end up biting you in the ass in a next game.

Just think of the Zha'til. The AI at some point took control over their hosts.

If the Reaper code in the Geth rewrites itself, there may be a possibility that the Geth (under Reaper control) will take over the Quarians. In this case you will have essentially created a new enemy faction; the Collector version of the Quarians, a fusion of Geth AI and Quarians.

Again, I still need to play through it again, but I do think making peace between Geth and Quarians may turn out to be a wrong decision.

Just because of that Reaper code. People say it's 'repurposed', but I'm not buying it. There's a reason we couldn't fully remove the roots of that code. It's self-replicating. It will just restore itself to how it was before.

Sure it's possible but as long as it's not established to happen it's fanfic.

[The Heretic of Time]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

Fact is also that Chris Priestly said that the endings aren't going to be changed, altered or expanded upon.

But we're not asking for an expansion of the endings.  We already got that in the EC.  What we want is an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings.

an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings = expansion of the endings. It's the same thing. BioWare won't do it in any way or form. Chris said this, not only one, not twice, but repeatedly.

Does that make Dragon Age: Awakening, an expansion of the Dragon Age: Origins endings? 

Dragon Age:  Awakneing is a new, different story that stands on itself. It's a stand alone expansion, a game itself. It's not a direct continuation of Dragon Age: Origins. 

What you propose with the IT is completely different from DA:A.

[ElSuperGecko]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Leviathan does also confirm the Guardians existence and its motives.

Yep.  And it raises almost as many questions as it answers. 

It also gives a LOT of credence to the idea that the entire Catalyst conversation is actually taking place inside Shepard's head.

[demersel]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Demersel, I'd like to hear it, but yeah, this may not be the best time. However, since I've already given my one response to the trolls and will not continue to feed them, I'll read it and respond to it. (probably, if I don't get called away to get to class.

Ok. So let's talk, just the two of us. But I don't want it to be in a form of a boring text wall, i prefer the format of the conversation more. 

And to explain my point i need to ask you a question. - Do you reckon EDI likes having a body? Does she actively enjoy it? 

Modifié par demersel, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[RavenEyry]

HagarIshay wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
Be a pretty rubbish karting game if it didn't.

...Good point.

But it's EA we're talking about. They're so full of rubbish they can't tell the difference.

Oh good point. They'll have their logo on the bonnet of every kart ruining the aesthetics. Scratch that idea then.

[shadoww6021]

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

Well, but indoctrination is different. It changes Shepard's self.

As stated many times in the game and in the codex entry, indoctrination isn't just mental it is also physical. it permanently changes very genetic make up. If Shepard is indoctrinated, all he can do is resist as much as possible to delay  the inevitable. There is no recovery from indoctrination.

[paxxton]

HagarIshay wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Don't worry. It most likely won't. And even if, what then?

But who with will the ruling Reapers play with? Themselves?

Oooh, will they make a human slide? An Asari swing? 

RavenEyry wrote...
GASP! That must be the next game they're talking about: Mass Effect Karting!
Everything else has a karting spinoff.

Will it have multiplayer?

The Sims: Mass Effect with the Reapers

[RavenEyry]

RavenEyry wrote...

Why are people still arguing about an expansion or whatever? It really doesn't matter to IT.

Go make a 'Bioware will release post ending content' thread and argue about it there.

People please! All this arguing about the semantics of the word expansion is unneeded.

[MegumiAzusa]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I will just say one thing on this matter.

Expansion does not equal ending. Expansion is an expansion. Making an expansion does not lie about the fact that the endings aren't changing.

Fact.

Fact is also that Chris Priestly said that the endings aren't going to be changed, altered or expanded upon.

But we're not asking for an expansion of the endings.  We already got that in the EC.  What we want is an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings.

an expansion of the rest of the game that takes place after the endings = expansion of the endings. It's the same thing. BioWare won't do it in any way or form. Chris said this, not only one, not twice, but repeatedly.

Does that make Dragon Age: Awakening, an expansion of the Dragon Age: Origins endings? 

Awakening is an expansion set after the ending, which is one of the things BW didn't want to do with ME3.
BW said even before ME3 launched they wouldn't want to do a game that is set after ME3. They are now thinking about it because of player demand.

[The Heretic of Time]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Awakening is an expansion set after the ending, which is one of the things BW didn't want to do with ME3.
BW said even before ME3 launched they wouldn't want to do a game that is set after ME3. They are now thinking about it because of player demand.

Exactly. Although I can't find the direct quote, I remember Casey also saying that they won't make any DLC that takes place after the ending of ME3. Casey said that during the development of ME3, before the script got leaked as far as I remember. They might have changed their mind by now (although I doubt it), but this does proof that the IT was never planned by BioWare.

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, I've been thinking about the whole 'Legion chose synthesis' thing, and how the Geth consensus seems to foreshadow the ending.

I am still playing through the game and have yet to play that mission again, but here's a thought for now.

Even though the memories you see in the consensus about the start of the morning war may actually be truthful, and Legion isn't intentionally misleading you, I do think there's a twist here.

- No matter how hard you try, you can't completely eradicate the Reaper code from the memory banks. There's always a root that will stay there. Design oversight? I think not.
- If you allow the Geth to use the Reaper code to ascend to true AI status, the Geth will upload themselves into the suits of the Quarians, essentially helping to make them healthier.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legion is evil and he's purposely deceiving you. However, I do think there's a good chance that (even though he's doing it with the best intentions - just like Shepard chooses synthesis with the best intentions) the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code may end up biting you in the ass in a next game.

Just think of the Zha'til. The AI at some point took control over their hosts.

If the Reaper code in the Geth rewrites itself, there may be a possibility that the Geth (under Reaper control) will take over the Quarians. In this case you will have essentially created a new enemy faction; the Collector version of the Quarians, a fusion of Geth AI and Quarians.

Again, I still need to play through it again, but I do think making peace between Geth and Quarians may turn out to be a wrong decision.

Just because of that Reaper code. People say it's 'repurposed', but I'm not buying it. There's a reason we couldn't fully remove the roots of that code. It's self-replicating. It will just restore itself to how it was before.

While I agree with all your points, I'd like to point out one thing that i noticed after replaying through the  mission several times - these strands and roots that you can eradicate - they wither and die, the more of the code you destroy - so you sever connection in one place - and it dies of in anothe also - that is why i think that by doing the consesnus mission we severed just enough code to eventually kill it. But of course this is just a hope. Anyway -the point is moot.

And geth + quarians are no synthesis. Geth + Quarians are symbiosis. which an entirely different thing. 
I think in that matter - it is the same as kuring the Genophage - Krogans can well turn out to be a menace to the galaxy once again - but to break the cycle of hate and grudges you need to do a good thing once -  and hope for the best. Same as with the rachni queen.

I'm not saying Geth + Quarians = synthesis. I was just saying it might turn into that if the Reaper code restores itself and takes over.

Thing is, if you don't allow the use of the Reaper code, Legion will attack you. The Quarians will then eradicate the Geth. If you take this path, you basically have no reason to not choose destroy, except for EDI, who clearly said she was willing to die for the cause.

Allowing Legion to use the Reaper code seems to be another example of 'wanting to save everyone' that may end up biting you in the ass, because Reaper code.

It's just speculation, but still. I think the idea has merit.