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[paxxton]

shadoww6021 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

Well, but indoctrination is different. It changes Shepard's self.

As stated many times in the game and in the codex entry, indoctrination isn't just mental it is also physical. it permanently changes very genetic make up. If Shepard is indoctrinated, all he can do is resist as much as possible to delay  the inevitable. There is no recovery from indoctrination.

Such a sad fate. Also, we need to look at how his attitude towards defeating the Reapers changed throughout the series. That could give us a clue if he was influenced. E.g. in ME3 Shepard grows desperate.

[Jusseb]

When is the next DLC coming out? Any indications? I'm expecting much with al those writers coming together.

If that turns out to be nothing, well then i'm handing over my sword. Raise the white flag.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Does that make Dragon Age: Awakening, an expansion of the Dragon Age: Origins endings? 

Dragon Age:  Awakneing is a new, different story that stands on itself. It's a stand alone expansion, a game itself. It's not a direct continuation of Dragon Age: Origins. 

What you propose with the IT is completely different from DA:A.

Does it really? You can play it with your Warden if said warden wasn't sacrificed, plus a lot of your group from DA:O has the potential to show up. 
And I don't know who you're talking about, but I certainly did propose something similar to DA:A. Even something similar to Halo: ODST, because that would be cool.

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Awakening is an expansion set after the ending, which is one of the things BW didn't want to do with ME3.
BW said even before ME3 launched they wouldn't want to do a game that is set after ME3. They are now thinking about it because of player demand.

Yeah, I remember that. I think Mac said that it wouldn't be very exciting if they did because the galaxy would be a wasteland?? I'm paraphrasing there, but I know something like that was said in one of the interviews around the initial release of the game or some time beforehand.

Modifié par ThisOneIsPunny, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[AresKeith]

shadoww6021 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Does anyone else think an RTS like section would have worked in Mass Effect?

a whole RTS game would be amazing if done right.

I mean like during the Earth mission, being able to tell which team or group goes to which area. Kinda like the ME2 Suicide Mission, if that counts as RTS elements

[CmdrShep80]

There's one thing no one is mentioning. The Protheans from Illos. They sabotaged the signals given to the keepers on the citadel after all the reapers had left so the next cycle (ours) will not have to go trough wha they did. Keep in mind that the reapers start with the highest form of power. In the Protheans' case it is the citadel. It is real easy to lock in the government inside the citadel letting them all starve and not communicate while the rest of the galaxy panics. While they are panicking the reapers go system by system taking planets from higher forms of life. By the time they're at this point though they have indoctrinated agents everywhere sabotaging efforts to mount a proper defense.

The Reapers effectively guide the civilizations to pointless pursuits such as the crucible so they have less to actually defend against.

The difference in our cycle? We knew they were coming. We were a bit more prepared to do something about it. We still had an intact government. We had forces that was able to fight back effectively and win.

That's the thing no one's talking about. How the Illos Protheans changed how the reapers win their cycles with minimum losses. There needs to be focus on what the reapers were like before the Ilos Protheans because what the reapers are like now is the first time things have changed (that we know of)

[DoomsdayDevice]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Sure it's possible but as long as it's not established to happen it's fanfic.

No, it's speculation.

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, I've been thinking about the whole 'Legion chose synthesis' thing, and how the Geth consensus seems to foreshadow the ending.

I am still playing through the game and have yet to play that mission again, but here's a thought for now.

Even though the memories you see in the consensus about the start of the morning war may actually be truthful, and Legion isn't intentionally misleading you, I do think there's a twist here.

- No matter how hard you try, you can't completely eradicate the Reaper code from the memory banks. There's always a root that will stay there. Design oversight? I think not.
- If you allow the Geth to use the Reaper code to ascend to true AI status, the Geth will upload themselves into the suits of the Quarians, essentially helping to make them healthier.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legion is evil and he's purposely deceiving you. However, I do think there's a good chance that (even though he's doing it with the best intentions - just like Shepard chooses synthesis with the best intentions) the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code may end up biting you in the ass in a next game.

Just think of the Zha'til. The AI at some point took control over their hosts.

If the Reaper code in the Geth rewrites itself, there may be a possibility that the Geth (under Reaper control) will take over the Quarians. In this case you will have essentially created a new enemy faction; the Collector version of the Quarians, a fusion of Geth AI and Quarians.

Again, I still need to play through it again, but I do think making peace between Geth and Quarians may turn out to be a wrong decision.

Just because of that Reaper code. People say it's 'repurposed', but I'm not buying it. There's a reason we couldn't fully remove the roots of that code. It's self-replicating. It will just restore itself to how it was before.

While I agree with all your points, I'd like to point out one thing that i noticed after replaying through the  mission several times - these strands and roots that you can eradicate - they wither and die, the more of the code you destroy - so you sever connection in one place - and it dies of in anothe also - that is why i think that by doing the consesnus mission we severed just enough code to eventually kill it. But of course this is just a hope. Anyway -the point is moot.

And geth + quarians are no synthesis. Geth + Quarians are symbiosis. which an entirely different thing. 
I think in that matter - it is the same as kuring the Genophage - Krogans can well turn out to be a menace to the galaxy once again - but to break the cycle of hate and grudges you need to do a good thing once -  and hope for the best. Same as with the rachni queen.

I'm not saying Geth + Quarians = synthesis. I was just saying it might turn into that if the Reaper code restores itself and takes over.

Thing is, if you don't allow the use of the Reaper code, Legion will attack you. The Quarians will then eradicate the Geth. If you take this path, you basically have no reason to not choose destroy, except for EDI, who clearly said she was willing to die for the cause.

Allowing Legion to use the Reaper code seems to be another example of 'wanting to save everyone' that may end up biting you in the ass, because Reaper code.

It's just speculation, but still. I think the idea has merit.

Yes. It does have merit. I agree. Remember i was the one to point it out and set you on this trail of thought. ))

[Ageless Face]

paxxton wrote...
The Sims: Mass Effect with the Reapers

Oh man, I'd wish I could grow a little baby Reaper in Sims. One good reason to play the game. 

Jusseb wrote...

When is the next DLC coming out? Any indications? I'm expecting much with al those writers coming together. 

If that turns out to be nothing, well then i'm handing over my sword. Raise the white flag.

Wait, there is another DLC coming out??? 

Modifié par HagarIshay, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[estebanus]

HagarIshay wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The Sims: Mass Effect with the Reapers

Oh man, I'd wish I could grow a little baby Reaper in Sims. One good reason to play the game. 

And then it could play on reaper playgrounds and watch reaper racing on tv!

[The Heretic of Time]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Does that make Dragon Age: Awakening, an expansion of the Dragon Age: Origins endings? 

Dragon Age:  Awakneing is a new, different story that stands on itself. It's a stand alone expansion, a game itself. It's not a direct continuation of Dragon Age: Origins. 

What you propose with the IT is completely different from DA:A.

Does it really? You can play it with your Warden if said warden wasn't sacrificed, plus a lot of your group from DA:O has the potential to show up. 
And I don't know who you're talking about, but I certainly did propose something similar to DA:A. Even something similar to Halo: ODST, because that would be cool.

While an expansion such as DA:A would be cool for Mass Effect, it is unlikely gonna happen, due to the fact that BioWare said that they won't do DLC that takes place after ME3, nor will they expand on the endings. And they said, multiple times, that ME3 is the end of Shepards story. It's done. It's over. No more Shepard after ME3. That's what BioWare said.

[demersel]

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

[paxxton]

HagarIshay wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The Sims: Mass Effect with the Reapers

Oh man, I'd wish I could grow a little baby Reaper in Sims. One good reason to play the game. 

Mommy Reaper, Daddy Reaper and 3 Reaperlets. + a dog

[MegumiAzusa]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Leviathan does also confirm the Guardians existence and its motives.

Yep.  And it raises almost as many questions as it answers. 

It also gives a LOT of credence to the idea that the entire Catalyst conversation is actually taking place inside Shepard's head.

Point is still the motives are confirmed. The way it achieves the motives may be unclear but point of creating an AI to stop organics from creating an AI which in turn will kill any organics is confirmed. An AI, especially an alien AI does not rely on any of our values and morals. This is a big point as most argue from a human standpoint. Even between humans such standpoints have great variety to the point where you can't even understand other peoples customs which are based on their way of thinking.
Pre EC the guardian made perfect sense, even if it is lying you still have to have doubt, because if you don't and say "sure it's indoctrination" you can make lots bad decisions because of it, even denying the Geth their existence and therefor prove the Reapers point.

[shadoww6021]

paxxton wrote...

shadoww6021 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Shepard might be incapable of continuing the fight. Benezia said that the effects of indoctrination changed her and she'd never be the same again. Even after Destroy Shepard might be insane.

"You're made a career out of doing the impossible."

Picking Destroy will put an end to Shepard's indoctrination, once and for all.

Well, but indoctrination is different. It changes Shepard's self.

As stated many times in the game and in the codex entry, indoctrination isn't just mental it is also physical. it permanently changes very genetic make up. If Shepard is indoctrinated, all he can do is resist as much as possible to delay  the inevitable. There is no recovery from indoctrination.

Such a sad fate. Also, we need to look at how his attitude towards defeating the Reapers changed throughout the series. That could give us a clue if he was influenced. E.g. in ME3 Shepard grows desperate.

as garrus states, "blind hope just isn't enough anymore". Just about everyone suddenly starts to realize the true scale of what is happening. (Except Hackett?). this created the perfect enviroment for indoctrination, as it has happened with all previous cycles, like with the protheans, how so many of them gave up the fight and chose to cryogenicaly freeze themselves rather then try to continue to fight the reapers.

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Guys, I've been thinking about the whole 'Legion chose synthesis' thing, and how the Geth consensus seems to foreshadow the ending.

I am still playing through the game and have yet to play that mission again, but here's a thought for now.

Even though the memories you see in the consensus about the start of the morning war may actually be truthful, and Legion isn't intentionally misleading you, I do think there's a twist here.

- No matter how hard you try, you can't completely eradicate the Reaper code from the memory banks. There's always a root that will stay there. Design oversight? I think not.
- If you allow the Geth to use the Reaper code to ascend to true AI status, the Geth will upload themselves into the suits of the Quarians, essentially helping to make them healthier.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Legion is evil and he's purposely deceiving you. However, I do think there's a good chance that (even though he's doing it with the best intentions - just like Shepard chooses synthesis with the best intentions) the decision to let Legion use the Reaper code may end up biting you in the ass in a next game.

Just think of the Zha'til. The AI at some point took control over their hosts.

If the Reaper code in the Geth rewrites itself, there may be a possibility that the Geth (under Reaper control) will take over the Quarians. In this case you will have essentially created a new enemy faction; the Collector version of the Quarians, a fusion of Geth AI and Quarians.

Again, I still need to play through it again, but I do think making peace between Geth and Quarians may turn out to be a wrong decision.

Just because of that Reaper code. People say it's 'repurposed', but I'm not buying it. There's a reason we couldn't fully remove the roots of that code. It's self-replicating. It will just restore itself to how it was before.

While I agree with all your points, I'd like to point out one thing that i noticed after replaying through the  mission several times - these strands and roots that you can eradicate - they wither and die, the more of the code you destroy - so you sever connection in one place - and it dies of in anothe also - that is why i think that by doing the consesnus mission we severed just enough code to eventually kill it. But of course this is just a hope. Anyway -the point is moot.

And geth + quarians are no synthesis. Geth + Quarians are symbiosis. which an entirely different thing. 
I think in that matter - it is the same as kuring the Genophage - Krogans can well turn out to be a menace to the galaxy once again - but to break the cycle of hate and grudges you need to do a good thing once -  and hope for the best. Same as with the rachni queen.

I'm not saying Geth + Quarians = synthesis. I was just saying it might turn into that if the Reaper code restores itself and takes over.

Thing is, if you don't allow the use of the Reaper code, Legion will attack you. The Quarians will then eradicate the Geth. If you take this path, you basically have no reason to not choose destroy, except for EDI, who clearly said she was willing to die for the cause.

Allowing Legion to use the Reaper code seems to be another example of 'wanting to save everyone' that may end up biting you in the ass, because Reaper code.

It's just speculation, but still. I think the idea has merit.

Yes. It does have merit. I agree. Remember i was the one to point it out and set you on this trail of thought. ))

No worries, I remember all too well. =)

By the way, what do the )) mean that you often do at the end of your sentence?

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

Haha, yeah, but in that case the Reapers would be destroyed and we wouldn't get a sequel anyway.

I'm of the conviction that Shepard never makes it onto the Citadel and that the Crucible isn't even used.

[Jusseb]

HagarIshay wrote...

paxxton wrote...
The Sims: Mass Effect with the Reapers

Oh man, I'd wish I could grow a little baby Reaper in Sims. One good reason to play the game. 

Jusseb wrote...

When is the next DLC coming out? Any indications? I'm expecting much with al those writers coming together. 

If that turns out to be nothing, well then i'm handing over my sword. Raise the white flag.

Wait, there is another DLC coming out??? 

Actually we have 2 to go, right guys?

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...
Does it really? You can play it with your Warden if said warden wasn't sacrificed, plus a lot of your group from DA:O has the potential to show up. 
And I don't know who you're talking about, but I certainly did propose something similar to DA:A. Even something similar to Halo: ODST, because that would be cool.

While an expansion such as DA:A would be cool for Mass Effect, it is unlikely gonna happen, due to the fact that BioWare said that they won't do DLC that takes place after ME3, nor will they expand on the endings. And they said, multiple times, that ME3 is the end of Shepards story. It's done. It's over. No more Shepard after ME3. That's what BioWare said.

I'd rather keep an open mind about it. To me, they left enough ambiguity that if they wanted to do an expansion or post end dlc they could do it.

[RavenEyry]

Jusseb wrote...

Actually we have 2 to go, right guys?

The tweets could be taken as meaning one or two. I don't think any are officially confirmed.

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

Both Control and Destroy prove the Reapers point.

For both it never says it's a solution but merely stops the cycle.

Think about it this way: without the Reaper upgrades there is no way of a Geth/Quarian peace. It is only the Quarians fear that can stop them to destroy the Geth. If the code isn't uploaded and the Quarians have nothing to fear you cannot stop them. It's all just as the Destroyer told you moments before.
Many people don't see that.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:40 .

[dorktainian]

context. that is all.

[demersel]

doomsday - you know about the whole geth thing, as is about the whole krogan thing, as is about the whole rachni thing - sure - it my bite us in the ass in long term. No quastion. Most likely will. But the thing is - the thing that we must always remember - we don't have any long term - short term is all we have - and the more you have for it - the better regardless whether the ending is legit or is just a dream and the war still rages on. - there is just no time for the geth+quarians to backfire, same as there is just no time for the krogan thing to backfire - if the reapers are not deatl with immideatly - it simply won't matter. If the reapers ARE dealt with immideatly - then i thing it is safe to say that will be able to handle the geth. And if not - there is always time to destroy them.

Why i think it will not backfire - though indeed is is higly suspicious - EDI's example. EDI has the reaper code right from the start. And she is completely fine.

That code - is what makes EDI and reapers alive - and gives it the free will - REapers use their free will to kill everyone in the galaxy. EDI uses her's jut to live. For reapers killing everyone in the galaxy is living. Not so for EDI. And not so for the geth. After all - their initial purpose was to help the quarians - they are perfectly content with that - not ince we heard even remote echo of "why sohlud we be the slaves when we can be masters? don't we desrve to be free? etc" . No. The geth are completely fine with helping the quarians - it doesn't bother them. What they are not fine with - is quarians qilling them all. And i don't thing EDI would be so understanding either - (we know that - Luna).

[demersel]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

Both Control and Destroy prove the Reapers point.

For both it never says it's a solution but merely stops the cycle.

No it doesn't. The reapers have no point. Don't be stupid - even in literal interpetation the Guardian is full of ****. 

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

Both Control and Destroy prove the Reapers point.

For both it never says it's a solution but merely stops the cycle.

No it doesn't. The reapers have no point. Don't be stupid - even in literal interpetation the Guardian is full of ****.

See my edit:

Think about it this way: without the Reaper upgrades there is no way of a Geth/Quarian peace. It is only the Quarians fear that can stop them to destroy the Geth. If the code isn't uploaded and the Quarians have nothing to fear you cannot stop them. It's all just as the Destroyer told you moments before.
Many people don't see that.


Pre EC the Guardian is flawless, post EC it's bad writing because of the pressure to please the fans which resulted in mistakes. Sad thing :/

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 11 décembre 2012 - 03:42 .

[demersel]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

demersel wrote...

Doomsday - and remember - if Destroy is legit - it kinda fixes the problem. ))))

Haha, yeah, but in that case the Reapers would be destroyed and we wouldn't get a sequel anyway.

I'm of the conviction that Shepard never makes it onto the Citadel and that the Crucible isn't even used.

Well, the EC proves you - isn't there a slide in both Control and Synthesis - with shepard's helmet burned and scorced in the london rubble? ))