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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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cavs25 wrote...

The speculation flame is dying.....Bioware needs to add some wood to the fire if they want to keep this up

Oh I think we have plenty fuel. Plus they have that mystery DLC that no one knows about with all the writers and Sam Hullick working on it.

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cavs25 wrote...

The speculation flame is dying.....Bioware needs to add some wood to the fire if they want to keep this up


Nah, nothing final. It's just the usual speculation minimum when waiting for the next DLC to arrive (or at least announced properly).

edit: Not sure if :ph34r:'d

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Ok, guys, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Modifié par demersel, 11 décembre 2012 - 07:59 .


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demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Tali and another squadmate of your choice.

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demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)


Whats your class?

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401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Tali and another squadmate of your choice.

Lol! Tali need to be everywhere, right?

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estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Tali and another squadmate of your choice.

Lol! Tali need to be everywhere, right?


Her combat drone was pretty useful on Insanity

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401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Tali and another squadmate of your choice.

*cough*bias*cough*

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Fur28 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)


Whats your class?


Infiltrator - but i sayd that i don't care about combat capabilities. 

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estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)

Tali and another squadmate of your choice.

Lol! Tali need to be everywhere, right?

Exactly!:D

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demersel wrote...
BTW
I thought of simple way how to explain my idea about TIM being a reaper and what i mean by it. Care to listen?



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demersel wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

demersel wrote...

Ok, gues, need advice - who do i better take on Horizon, Sanctuaty mission? (storywise, not combat-wise)


Whats your class?


Infiltrator - but i sayd that i don't care about combat capabilities. 


I like ignoring things between these Two "()" [dont know how they´re called]
Oh, just dont bring Vega, he has a glicth were he says What* 5times

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Fur28 wrote...


I like ignoring things between these Two "()" [dont know how they´re called]
Oh, just dont bring Vega, he has a glicth were he says What* 5times

Colons.

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masster blaster wrote...

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dorktainian wrote...

I wonder if EA tipped him the wink as it were as to what was coming.


Ok that's it, you're a conspiracy theorist.


Wow I thought you notice that we are. Haven't you played Leviathan. Conspiracy achievemnts are in Leviathan. And Leviathan showed us ITers that the ending can be all in Shepard's head. Heck even Shepard is wondering why the hell is Ann Bryson even with Shepard. No wait Leviathan was using his voice/ explaining to Shepard " Your memories give us voice."


Can you retype that.


Sorry you couldn't read my post let me break it down to you.

1.Leviathan's end was very similar to the ending, minus the chocies.
2. Leviathan uses Shepard's own memorys. Hence Leviathan takes the form of Ann, and the other two guys we meet in Leviathan dlc. Leviathan creates Ann's fathers lab table from Shepard's memorys.
3. Shepard on the ground on all fours like arrival, the Catalyst chambers, and when Shepard wakes up from the beam from Harbinger.
4. Shepard ask why Ann was there with Shepard. I mean come on ...
Shepard: Ann....Cough...what are you doing here? Can Shepard not see he, or she was in a atlas. No Shepard is not a clue where he, or she is. Leviathan has to explain to Shepard about everything.
5. Leviathan again say " Your memeorys give us voice" or at least something along the lines.
Ya umm Catayst boy/ the Reaper leader takes the form of the child how? Right he would have had to get into Shepard's mind and find the child that Shepard has been having nightmers about. Not mention the Catalyst chambers looks like an over lay of the beam run. Also notice when we are on the Citadle, Anderson points out the dark hall way reminds him of the collector base that Shepard told Anderson about. Remeber if you played Leviathan. Leviathan can create objects/ people Shepard has seen, or meet.
6. There are two achievments that have conspiraty theorist, and another Conspiracy hatch I think. Well anyways since literalist call us conspiracy people, I guess Bioware/ Chris since he does read the IT thread once and a while. Told Bioware that since literalist call us ITers conspiracy people. Why not have achievments in Leviathan. I mean come on Leviathan yes was for everyone, but Leviathan in all was a great piece of evidence that maybe the end is in Shepard's head.


Nothing personal but I just couldn't understand what you were trying to say last time and how it was relevant to the personal remark I made about a user who suggested the possibility that AngryJoe was tipped by EA that IT is intended to arrive in the future, which is why he dismissed IT in his EC video.

What I underlined in your post is the problem, next to none literalists call you conspiracy people.
But the fact that you think an achievement for a DLC that was planned long before ME3 release to a mystery hunt for an ancient species, was inspired by IT fits the stereotype that you just applied to yourself.

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RavenEyry wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


I like ignoring things between these Two "()" [dont know how they´re called]
Oh, just dont bring Vega, he has a glicth were he says What* 5times

Colons.

Parenthesis.

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401 Kill wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

Fur28 wrote...


I like ignoring things between these Two "()" [dont know how they´re called]
Oh, just dont bring Vega, he has a glicth were he says What* 5times

Colons.

Parenthesis.

Ooo, lah-de-dah!

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ok guys a return to speculation.  probably been covered before but what the heck.  

a little bit of diggin...from the leaked stuff - Indoctrination Ahoy.



Shepard enters the room and sees Anderson Slumped over a console.

Anderson doesn't respond at first, then turns oddly, stiffly around and takes a few struggling steps toward Shepard.
Before Shepard can get an answer from him, a familiar voice is heard. The Illusive Man is nearby, though we can't see him yet.
As Shepard tries to turn and face the voice, we realize that Shepard is under the same effects as Anderson.

The Illusive Man is persuasive. Talking about how Control is the way to win the war, and using his control of Shepard and Anderson as an example.

The Illusive Man denies the taunt. Shepard has a chance to convince him he's wrong.

The Illusive Man hesitates a bit before continuing. Shepard is getting some control back.

The illusive Man regains composure, and begins to explain how controlling the Reapers is the best way to end the conflict.

The Illusive Man is not affected, he continues to explain how Controlling the Reapers is the way to win. Destroying them makes no sense.

He tells them they are short-sighted. But he's starting to sound a little illogical.

Illusive Man explains that the Crucible can be used in more than one way. It's a bomb, but it's also a device that can harness the Reapers.

The Illusive Man gets angry, losing it for a bit, giving Shepard a chance to interject.
The Illusive Man considers Shepard's words. He appears to struggle a bit before regaining composure.
The Illusive Man is annoyed by Shepard's words. Clearly Shepard is getting to him.
The Illusive Man is not affected, but his tone changes, clearly he is indoctrinated and the Reaper's menace for Shepard is coming through.

Shepard asks him what he's waiting for? If he can control the Reapers.. open the arms and do it?
The Illusive Man's reasons are not logical. He's clearly not thinking right.
Another outburst from the IM. He will show them control... Anderson winces.

The Illusive Man is trying to fight it, but the Reapers are fighting back. He's saying no, no, no.
The Illusive Man all but yells a Shepard to shut up. Let him concentrate. His control is wavering.
The Illusive Man is not affected, and Shepard is now pointing his gun directly at Anderson.
The Illusive Man says he knows what he must do.

If these two will not listen to reason, he has not choice but to kill Shepard and Anderson... he's the only one that is capable of controlling the Reapers.
The IM says this has to end now... as he waves his gun menacingly.

Shepard finally gets through... the IM kills himself.
Shepard finally gets through... the IM is furious. He pushes past Anderson, gun raised.
The Illusive Man is not affected, he is gloating at the way he has proven that control works.
Shepard's gun is pointed squarely at Anderson. Shepard is out of options.
The IM calmly puts a bullet right between Shepard's eyes.

YOU are able to break through to the Illusive Man.. you are gaining back some control.

This gains you nothing in the fight with the struggle with the Illusive Man.


Shepard is straining to move his gun in IM's direction, but Anderson is blocking the shot.
[Only available if you have previously persuaded the IM] Shepard breaks through to the IM.

Modifié par dorktainian, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:22 .


#65493
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Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen.

Modifié par estebanus, 11 décembre 2012 - 08:26 .


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I agree that TIM functions as a sort of mirror for Shepard in that scene. The 'devil on the shoulder' as it were.

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Interesting, dorktainian! What strikes me the most is the "YOU," suggesting meta player engagement may have been intentional, as well as the fact that TIM says the Crucible is a bomb and can control the Reapers RIGHT AFTER being described as sounding illogical... Hmm... So maybe the writers were aware all along of the illogical Crucible functions and intended it that way.

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estebanus wrote...
Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen.


....it was pretty funny, though :lol:

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

estebanus wrote...
Damn, that wasn't supposed to happen.


....it was pretty funny, though :lol:

I seriously don't know why there were so many gifs. I only put in one.

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Personal Log: Armando-Owen Bailey

Entry 1
Warn Herk that if he doesn't fill out his reports properly, I'm kicking his ass from one end of the Citadel to the other.

Entry 2
Reschedule meeting with customs analyst about cargo weight discrepancies over the last year. Don't let him wriggle out of that again, damn it.

Entry 3
Reports of undesirables getting on station illegally. Have biometrics systems calibrated. Again.

Entry 4
Kick Herk's sorry ass from one end of the Citadel to the other.

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Sorry for this stupid question, but I totally forgot...

When destroy is chosen and all, does EDI show up in the memorial wall scene? Or in any scene post-blast?

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KneeTheCap wrote...

When destroy is chosen and all, does EDI show up in the memorial wall scene? Or in any scene post-blast?

No, and I believe you can see her name on the wall.