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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BleedingUranium

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Krimzie wrote...

D'aww, thanks Bleeding. (:

Man, get a load of this track and tell me it's not getting into your brain. Forget the white flash screen... this is what indoctrination feels like, isn't it!?!? Hulick had to purposely choose the exact pitches that "rub" and cause those warbles. Ringing in the ears, indeed. And since I've never heard this outside of gameplay, I didn't even realize for HOW LONG!

And don't get me started on how rarely Hulick uses vocals. Once in Future for the Krogan -- but they're pure and melodic. Everything after the beam has destorted female vox, stretched out in the same way the piano is stretched out in the dreams. 

And the disonant warble returns!

I love whoever posted the extended soundtrack. They get hugs.


And those two tracks use the same female vocals as the dreams. The ending is totally in reality Posted Image

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If it's all a fluke why in lower ranges of EMS not just kill Shep instead? Why keep all of it up just to let Shep die anyway? Especially if Shep hasn't any choice but to pick control.

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He also likes to blow it up if you take longer than he wants to spend exlaining things - because a ceasefire to decide on the solution would make too much sense for his standards.

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
There was nothing for the Reapers to think any Cycle could even get the Crucible to dock with the Citadel because their divide and conquer always easily worked.

That does not make sense. Why add funtions like that in the first place?
"Ok, buddies, let's add some defeat-functions just for the fun of it ... noone will reach it anyway and we need the thrill!"

??? :blink:

Ever thought about these functions not originating from the Citadel itself?

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

If it's all a fluke why in lower ranges of EMS not just kill Shep instead? Why keep all of it up just to let Shep die anyway? Especially if Shep hasn't any choice but to pick control.

Low EMS control is possible not because of catalyst functions but because of crucible parts.

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If it's all a fluke why in lower ranges of EMS not just kill Shep instead? Why keep all of it up just to let Shep die anyway? Especially if Shep hasn't any choice but to pick control.

Low EMS control is possible not because of catalyst functions but because of crucible parts.

It's the same principle of you not being able to create energy by using a solar panel on wind. The form of the source energy seems to be a factor.
It is not like the destroy mechanism doesn't exist. It just cannot be triggered.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:09 .


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Where do the functions originate from Megumi?

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:11 .


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BansheeOwnage

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Megumi, those options are part of the citadel.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Megumi, those options are part of the citadel.

I thought in your opinion it's all a dream anyway?

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Correct. But that doesn't stop me from seeing if it makes sense at face value.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Megumi, those options are part of the citadel.

I thought in your opinion it's all a dream anyway?


Dodging the issue here. We can think its a dream and still discuss the literal interpretation.

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MegumiAzusa

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byne wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Megumi, those options are part of the citadel.

I thought in your opinion it's all a dream anyway?

Dodging the issue here. We can think its a dream and still discuss the literal interpretation.

You can't even see the reasoning for the literal interpretation and still want to discuss it?

In any case I would actually say Cerberus mounted it with the help from the data from Mars/Thessia. That's why the only controls are for control. It's what it was designed for.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:20 .


#65638
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If it's all a fluke why in lower ranges of EMS not just kill Shep instead? Why keep all of it up just to let Shep die anyway? Especially if Shep hasn't any choice but to pick control.

Low EMS control is possible not because of catalyst functions but because of crucible parts.

It's the same principle of you not being able to create energy by using a solar panel on wind. The form of the source energy seems to be a factor.

Jep, but that doesn't explain Synthesis (and what idiot came up with that ...) or why Control is not always bound to the parts.
Literal would add up much more if it'll work that way, but it doesn't.
One of more reason I don't take low EMS as big reference.
Low EMS screws arround with both, literal and IT (IT not that much, because a moron-Shep should just get no chance to break free of indoctrination [imo]).

Btw. - Has anyome ever tried not to collect crucible parts?
Could be interesting to see if things change in some way.

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question is how can anyone deny its a dream when shep wakes up right at the end. in rubble. concrete rubble. with object rho (or similar) in the background. with rebar clearly visible.

thinking about colours, mix em all together and you get white. the colour of the beam. so lets associate white with the beam. turn off any off the colours and ..... no white light = no beam. maybe thats the point. the only way you can turn off the beam is to destroy one of the colour guns. (red)

the 'dream' could be taking place in another 'reality' to our own. the decisions made affecting our current reality. turn off the beam. that is the key to victory. make reapers easy targets, destroy them utterly = no more reaper threat on our own terms.

or biowares main writers could just suck.

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MegumiAzusa

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hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

hukbum wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

If it's all a fluke why in lower ranges of EMS not just kill Shep instead? Why keep all of it up just to let Shep die anyway? Especially if Shep hasn't any choice but to pick control.

Low EMS control is possible not because of catalyst functions but because of crucible parts.

It's the same principle of you not being able to create energy by using a solar panel on wind. The form of the source energy seems to be a factor.

Jep, but that doesn't explain Synthesis (and what idiot came up with that ...) or why Control is not always bound to the parts.
Literal would add up much more if it'll work that way, but it doesn't.
One of more reason I don't take low EMS as big reference.
Low EMS screws arround with both, literal and IT (IT not that much, because a moron-Shep should just get no chance to break free of indoctrination [imo]).

Btw. - Has anyome ever tried not to collect crucible parts?
Could be interesting to see if things change in some way.

You can see the beam, and therefor the energy, changing when jumping in the beam which could trigger the release. It cannot happen with lower EMS because the energy is not refined enough. For the control part this is exactly what I explained in the post you quoted. If you don't want to accept that it's your problem.

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So they knew of the plans,
but didn't target the crucible while under construction,
they try to kill ships instead of attacking it directly over Earth,
they have no ground forces on the citadel when the beam THEY installed directly leads to the control panel (because apparently that's where bodies are processed-at your only weakness in a giant empty hall and chamber)
Only Harbinger is sent to guard that only weakness
Harbinger leaves the beam (which only has an on button)unattended after deciding he's killed enough troops.
They knew of the crucible plans cycles ago but don't understand them despite having built the citadel, yet scientist in the middle of a Reaper war can without knowing much about the citadel?
Why not change the part of the citadel the crucible docks with?
Why not lie about what destroy does? Like it destroys all technology?
All this because they want Shepard to make the biggest decision in galactic history?

#65642
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hukbum wrote...

Jep, but that doesn't explain Synthesis (and what idiot came up with that ...) or why Control is not always bound to the parts.
Literal would add up much more if it'll work that way, but it doesn't.
One of more reason I don't take low EMS as big reference.
Low EMS screws arround with both, literal and IT (IT not that much, because a moron-Shep should just get no chance to break free of indoctrination [imo]).

Btw. - Has anyome ever tried not to collect crucible parts?
Could be interesting to see if things change in some way.

The only major change seems to be the Starbrat's attitude if you don't gather enough parts for Control/Synthesis. He's pretty pissed at Shepard if there's only Destroy available and outright refuses to help you.

Modifié par PsiMatrix, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:31 .


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I think i found another place where the dreamlight_tile was used besides the guardian. The is a broken lamppost in FOB in london - it sparkles, and emits what looks like steam - but it is that texture. It is very different because right beside it there is the standard steam texture. 

Modifié par demersel, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:31 .


#65644
MegumiAzusa

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dorktainian wrote...

question is how can anyone deny its a dream when shep wakes up right at the end. in rubble. concrete rubble. with object rho (or similar) in the background. with rebar clearly visible.

thinking about colours, mix em all together and you get white. the colour of the beam. so lets associate white with the beam. turn off any off the colours and ..... no white light = no beam. maybe thats the point. the only way you can turn off the beam is to destroy one of the colour guns. (red)

the 'dream' could be taking place in another 'reality' to our own. the decisions made affecting our current reality. turn off the beam. that is the key to victory. make reapers easy targets, destroy them utterly = no more reaper threat on our own terms.

or biowares main writers could just suck.

I still can't see rebar but cables. Also we only see some metallic plates which actually look nothing like object Rho but more like the plates used at the docking ports of the Geth Dreadnaught.

#65645
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MegumiAzusa wrote...

If you don't want to accept that it's your problem.

Here we go again.
Can you please try NOT to use sentences like that?

I'm not making fun of you, I try to discuss. And if it's just a "I have to be right"-contest for you, get the f'ck outa here.

#65646
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it's either not happening, an absolute trap (wtf is the imagery after choosing then?) or horrible **** writing.

Bioware created these terrifying god like machines only to castrate them in the end and go out on some glowy ****ing noob?

#65647
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I hope not Spot. The reapers are (were?) awesome?

#65648
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spotlessvoid wrote...

So they knew of the plans,
but didn't target the crucible while under construction,
they try to kill ships instead of attacking it directly over Earth,
they have no ground forces on the citadel when the beam THEY installed directly leads to the control panel (because apparently that's where bodies are processed-at your only weakness in a giant empty hall and chamber)
Only Harbinger is sent to guard that only weakness
Harbinger leaves the beam (which only has an on button)unattended after deciding he's killed enough troops.
They knew of the crucible plans cycles ago but don't understand them despite having built the citadel, yet scientist in the middle of a Reaper war can without knowing much about the citadel?
Why not change the part of the citadel the crucible docks with?
Why not lie about what destroy does? Like it destroys all technology?
All this because they want Shepard to make the biggest decision in galactic history?

Why should they shut down the project completely? It's a nice waste of resources as you have no idea what the Catalyst is. They do understand the plans. The probability of success for them is just not enough in previous cycles, this cycles is different because of the Keepers, still this does not change the fact that the Alliance has no idea what the Catalyst is.
And as said over and over and being ignored over and over: the cycle is doomed to fail at some point, the Reapers can see that, why can't you?
Harby wants Shep alive since ME2. Killing her if you can just pick her up later doesn't make any sense, it's just used when Shep doesn't leave them any other option. Marauder Shields and the three Husketeers use lethal force.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 décembre 2012 - 06:44 .


#65649
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awesome.*

#65650
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

I hope not Spot. The reapers are (were?) awesome?

Literal? No. Literal they're just robots created by an AI which was created by giant-apex-under-water-morons ...