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[MaximizedAction]

demersel wrote...
Actually i think that TIM started to fall around the same time Shepard did - between ME2 and ME3. 
And i have a really theory why would that be. ))

I think that what happened to TIM in terms of dosis (if you allow me to introduce this as I find this logical) is different than from Shepard's multiple, possible exposures.

TIM had (second hand) direct physical contact with a Reaper artifact. His eyes began glowing then. Shepard's began after choosing Control/Synthesis.
So I think he slowly began working into the Reaper's hands after the First Contact War.

[BleedingUranium]

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.

If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.

Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.

So you would agree TIM was not actually indoctrinated until the ending along with Shepard?
In ME1 and ME2, Shepard didn't show many signs of indoctrination.
But at the start of ME3 he is pretty heavily indoctrinated when the Reapers can access his mind and manipulate it.

TIM was indoctrinated as soon as his goal became to control the Reapers. They manipulated him into thinking that would be a good idea.

See, that's bulls**t because you don't know what his personally goals were when he first started out.
Using the Reapers back then as a way to move humanity forward for a pro-human is a reasonable goal and not hard to understand why.
Hell the Reapers tried to stop Cerberus from controlling them on Horizon.

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

[TheProtheans]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.

If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.

Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.

So you would agree TIM was not actually indoctrinated until the ending along with Shepard?
In ME1 and ME2, Shepard didn't show many signs of indoctrination.
But at the start of ME3 he is pretty heavily indoctrinated when the Reapers can access his mind and manipulate it.

TIM was indoctrinated as soon as his goal became to control the Reapers. They manipulated him into thinking that would be a good idea.

See, that's bulls**t because you don't know what his personally goals were when he first started out.
Using the Reapers back then as a way to move humanity forward for a pro-human is a reasonable goal and not hard to understand why.
Hell the Reapers tried to stop Cerberus from controlling them on Horizon.

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

Yet it is used anyway.
The galaxy used Reaper tech to travel around the galaxy.
Do you think all the Reaper tech should be destroyed?

[Fur28]

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.

If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.

Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.

So you would agree TIM was not actually indoctrinated until the ending along with Shepard?
In ME1 and ME2, Shepard didn't show many signs of indoctrination.
But at the start of ME3 he is pretty heavily indoctrinated when the Reapers can access his mind and manipulate it.

TIM was indoctrinated as soon as his goal became to control the Reapers. They manipulated him into thinking that would be a good idea.

See, that's bulls**t because you don't know what his personal goals were when he first started out.
Using the Reapers back then as a way to move humanity forward for a pro-human is a reasonable goal and not hard to understand why.
Hell the Reapers tried to stop Cerberus from controlling them on Horizon.

maybe they tried to stop him becuase theres a differece between trying to control the reapers, and actually being capable or controlling, the reapers felt TIM was very close so they tried to stop him
Personal goals, maybe the comics will give us a better perception of his beliefs( havent read them)

[demersel]

TheProtheans wrote...

Yet it is used anyway.
The galaxy used Reaper tech to travel around the galaxy.
Do you think all the Reaper tech should be destroyed?

Yes. It should. 

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

demersel wrote...
Actually i think that TIM started to fall around the same time Shepard did - between ME2 and ME3. 
And i have a really theory why would that be. ))

I think that what happened to TIM in terms of dosis (if you allow me to introduce this as I find this logical) is different than from Shepard's multiple, possible exposures.

TIM had (second hand) direct physical contact with a Reaper artifact. His eyes began glowing then. Shepard's began after choosing Control/Synthesis.
So I think he slowly began working into the Reaper's hands after the First Contact War.

There are lots of indoctrinated agents who don't have glowy eyes.

[Linkforlife]

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

[Fur28]

For what The Protheans said
How different is reaper technology like the IFF, from the Mass relays and the Citadel?

[BleedingUranium]

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.

If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.

Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.

So you would agree TIM was not actually indoctrinated until the ending along with Shepard?
In ME1 and ME2, Shepard didn't show many signs of indoctrination.
But at the start of ME3 he is pretty heavily indoctrinated when the Reapers can access his mind and manipulate it.

TIM was indoctrinated as soon as his goal became to control the Reapers. They manipulated him into thinking that would be a good idea.

See, that's bulls**t because you don't know what his personally goals were when he first started out.
Using the Reapers back then as a way to move humanity forward for a pro-human is a reasonable goal and not hard to understand why.
Hell the Reapers tried to stop Cerberus from controlling them on Horizon.

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

Yet it is used anyway.
The galaxy used Reaper tech to travel around the galaxy.
Do you think all the Reaper tech should be destroyed?

True, but we didn't know it was Reaper tech. Destroyed? Yes, but not right this second or anything. Just as Sovereign said, by using technology we don't understand, we advance along the paths they desire. We need to learn how to build our own mass relays, then we can get rid of the Reaper ones.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.

If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.

Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.

So you would agree TIM was not actually indoctrinated until the ending along with Shepard?
In ME1 and ME2, Shepard didn't show many signs of indoctrination.
But at the start of ME3 he is pretty heavily indoctrinated when the Reapers can access his mind and manipulate it.

TIM was indoctrinated as soon as his goal became to control the Reapers. They manipulated him into thinking that would be a good idea.

See, that's bulls**t because you don't know what his personally goals were when he first started out.
Using the Reapers back then as a way to move humanity forward for a pro-human is a reasonable goal and not hard to understand why.
Hell the Reapers tried to stop Cerberus from controlling them on Horizon.

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

Thanix Cannons
Normandy SR-2
Mass Relays

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:25 .

[TheProtheans]

Fur28 wrote...

maybe they tried to stop him becuase theres a differece between trying to control the reapers, and actually being capable or controlling, the reapers felt TIM was very close so they tried to stop him
Personal goals, maybe the comics will give us a better perception of his beliefs( havent read them)

Then he must of been in the process of being indoctrinated during Mass effect 3.

[Fur28]

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

thanks, where i live thay dont sell american comics, so i´m always in disavantage in ME lore presented in comics and books

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

For what The Protheans said
How different is reaper technology like the IFF, from the Mass relays and the Citadel?

They don't indoctrinate, but we should still stop using them. Using technology we don't understand is bad.

[MegumiAzusa]

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

It is neither revealed nor shown, but assumed by fans.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[TheProtheans]

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

How do you know TIM was indoctrinated and not in the process of being indoctrinated?

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

Thanix Cannons
Normandy SR-2
Mass Relays

Not Reaper tech. There's nothing wrong with reverse engineering Reaper tech, as that removes both problems with Reaper tech: indoctrination and using technology we don't understand.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[Linkforlife]

TheProtheans wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

How do you know TIM was indoctrinated and not in the process of being indoctrinated?

All I did was take the post from their forums, I have not read the comics myself, but that is, like you said, what the fans are led to believe by the sounds of it.

[MegumiAzusa]

Fur28 wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

thanks, where i live thay dont sell american comics, so i´m always in disavantage in ME lore presented in comics and books

digital.darkhorse.com

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Linkforlife wrote...

The comics reveal TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi during the First Contact War. Saren is involved as well. He is also one of the first Humans to ever step foot on Palaven.

- this was taken from the Clever Noob forums, but I thought it would help here.

It is neither revealed or shown but assumed by fans.

Stop with the false info.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Leonia]

And people wonder why nobody takes IT seriously. Look at yourselves in the mirror.

It's not said that TIM was indoctrinated on Shanxi, hinted at sure but not revealed. That's not "false info". That's another interpretation. Aren't all interpretations valid at this point according to Bioware?

Modifié par leonia42, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:30 .

[TheProtheans]

Fur28 wrote...

For what The Protheans said
How different is reaper technology like the IFF, from the Mass relays and the Citadel?

If the Reaper tech was built with slaves and stolen resources.
Is it really that different?

How different is using parts of a Reaper to advance your race than using the Mass relay network, not very different.
They both have the same origins.

[BleedingUranium]

TheProtheans wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

For what The Protheans said
How different is reaper technology like the IFF, from the Mass relays and the Citadel?

If the Reaper tech was built with slaves and stolen resources.
Is it really that different?

How different is using parts of a Reaper to advance your race than using the Mass relay network, not very different.
They both have the same origins.

Right, it's the same.

[Fur28]

What´s the difference between the process on being indoctrinated and being indoctrinated?
i always though indoctrinated is when your beliefs and priotities changed, can someone please explain it

[BleedingUranium]

Fur28 wrote...

What´s the difference between the process on being indoctrinated and being indoctrinated?
i always though indoctrinated is when your beliefs and priotities changed, can someone please explain it

Right, the point at which you are indoctrinated is the point where your beliefs, priorities, and goals change. It's the difference between dying and being dead.

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:35 .

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Using the Reapers is bad, that's the moral of that part of the story. Using Reaper tech is bad, no exceptions.

Thanix Cannons
Normandy SR-2
Mass Relays

Not Reaper tech. There's nothing wrong with reverse engineering Reaper tech, as that removes both problems with Reaper tech: indoctrination and using technology we don't understand.

Uhm the Cerby guys themselves say they don't know what happens if the hardware blocks are removed. There are original Reaper components used in the construction of the SR-2.