Eryri wrote...
Hi IT folk,
Was there any news on why Jennifer Hale was using a motion capture suit? Did it turn out to be ME related or one of her many, many other gaming roles? Anybody know if Mark Meer has been doing the same?
See - we see objects similar to the scene of earth, but nothing that fit the citadel objects. No panels, nothing. Doesn't really add up, right?TheProtheans wrote...
hukbum wrote...
Ah, there's the problem ...TheProtheans wrote...
And it doesn't make much sense for Shepard to be lying there.
Btw. - where did all the concrete on the citadel suddenly come from?
Well I don't know what the buildings on the citadel are made of.
It seem possible that the concrete was exposed after the outer layers of whatever covered the dirty concrete was destroyed.
Or it is just different concrete.
hukbum wrote...
See - we see objects similar to the scene of earth, but nothing that fit the citadel objects. No panels, nothing. Doesn't really add up, right?TheProtheans wrote...
hukbum wrote...
Ah, there's the problem ...TheProtheans wrote...
And it doesn't make much sense for Shepard to be lying there.
Btw. - where did all the concrete on the citadel suddenly come from?
Well I don't know what the buildings on the citadel are made of.
It seem possible that the concrete was exposed after the outer layers of whatever covered the dirty concrete was destroyed.
Or it is just different concrete.
Modifié par dorktainian, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:00 .
I don't know if they used the scene to render this. If it's a full designed 3D-scene it could be behind something, that would change everything. That's why I tend to just look a things similar. Point is that I can't find any fiting objects at the citadel, but there are similar objects on earth.TheProtheans wrote...
It is a very tight angle shot, even if it was earth we have no idea where it was.hukbum wrote...
See - we see objects similar to the scene of earth, but nothing that fit the citadel objects. No panels, nothing. Doesn't really add up, right?TheProtheans wrote...
Well I don't know what the buildings on the citadel are made of.hukbum wrote...
Ah, there's the problem ...TheProtheans wrote...
And it doesn't make much sense for Shepard to be lying there.
Btw. - where did all the concrete on the citadel suddenly come from?
It seem possible that the concrete was exposed after the outer layers of whatever covered the dirty concrete was destroyed.
Or it is just different concrete.
Nothing looks the same as it, similar maybe but different.
TheProtheans wrote...
hukbum wrote...
See - we see objects similar to the scene of earth, but nothing that fit the citadel objects. No panels, nothing. Doesn't really add up, right?TheProtheans wrote...
hukbum wrote...
Ah, there's the problem ...TheProtheans wrote...
And it doesn't make much sense for Shepard to be lying there.
Btw. - where did all the concrete on the citadel suddenly come from?
Well I don't know what the buildings on the citadel are made of.
It seem possible that the concrete was exposed after the outer layers of whatever covered the dirty concrete was destroyed.
Or it is just different concrete.
It is a very tight angle shot, even if it was earth we have no idea where it was.
Nothing looks the same as it, similar maybe but different.
But that doesn't even work. The objects the arrows are pointing at in each instance is never the same. Look at it in the movie instead of the sole screenshot and you will see it clearly.Restrider wrote...
Consider it added to the list...dorktainian wrote...
Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:09 .
dorktainian wrote...
1M1 structures (i'm assuming they are earth tech) on sheps long walk to the control room. wtf?
edit.......top yet again...
It's a process where at the end you are a walking mass that is under full Reaper control. As I said, in % where do you think you have to be to be called indoctrinated? At the first few % where the Reapers slightly push your buttons so you make choices that are favoring them in a grander scheme without losing to rationally explain the decision in terms of how it fit that moment? Or do you have to openly say "yay Reapers! Harvest me!"Restrider wrote...
Didn't Rana and Benezia explain it as a process and not an off/on-style thing?MegumiAzusa wrote...
"the process of being indoctrinated" is a concept purely created by fans.BleedingUranium wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.
If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.
Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.
Modifié par Norlond, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:12 .
is that why they called the video "shepard_alive"?Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Also, Shepard doesn't even have an N7 tag on his neck in any of the games. We never ever see him wearing his tag. So if we're really going to grasp at straws, than we could very well say that the breathing scene isn't even Shepard.
The closest thing is the TIM/Anderson stuff at the end. But then it stops.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Thing is, that we know exactly what being indoctrinated is like, in very close detail from a first person perspective. Mass Effect Retribution shows us this.
What is experienced by Paul Grayson is absolutely nothing like anything Shepard experiences through the trilogy. It's completely different. Nothing that Shepard experiences comes even close to what Paul Grayson experienced when undergoing indoctrination. Anything the ITers put forward as "Shepard under influence of indoctrination" is nothing like what we see happening to Paul Grayson.
Granted, Paul Grayson was being indoctrinated by nanites and not by a reaper signal, though whether there actually is any difference between the two is completely unknown. As far as I understood these nanites in Graysons brain also used a signal to influence his brain and indoctrinate him.
Heretic_Hanar wrote...
That so-called "concrete" in the breathing scene doesn't even look like concrete at all. It looks like the same type of metal that we see on the citadel. It is in fact the very same texture as we see on the walls of the Citadel in the room with the shifting plates near the control chamber.
And of course we see the black cables on top of Shepard, the exact 100% the same cables as we see in the Catalyst chamber, and ONLY see in the Catalyst chamber, nowhere else.
like he said, grayson was a test subject, strapped to a table and pumped full of reaper tech and the book tells us of graysons experiences of becoming indoctrinated whilst he is wide awake and off his ****** on red sand.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The closest thing is the TIM/Anderson stuff at the end. But then it stops.Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Thing is, that we know exactly what being indoctrinated is like, in very close detail from a first person perspective. Mass Effect Retribution shows us this.
What is experienced by Paul Grayson is absolutely nothing like anything Shepard experiences through the trilogy. It's completely different. Nothing that Shepard experiences comes even close to what Paul Grayson experienced when undergoing indoctrination. Anything the ITers put forward as "Shepard under influence of indoctrination" is nothing like what we see happening to Paul Grayson.
Granted, Paul Grayson was being indoctrinated by nanites and not by a reaper signal, though whether there actually is any difference between the two is completely unknown. As far as I understood these nanites in Graysons brain also used a signal to influence his brain and indoctrinate him.
It is called ShepAlive...Heretic_Hanar wrote...
Also, Shepard doesn't even have an N7 tag on his neck in any of the games. We never ever see him wearing his tag. So if we're really going to grasp at straws, than we could very well say that the breathing scene isn't even Shepard.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It's a process where at the end you are a walking mass that is under full Reaper control. As I said, in % where do you think you have to be to be called indoctrinated? At the first few % where the Reapers slightly push your buttons so you make choices that are favoring them in a grander scheme without losing to rationally explain the decision in terms of how it fit that moment? Or do you have to openly say "yay Reapers! Harvest me!"Restrider wrote...
Didn't Rana and Benezia explain it as a process and not an off/on-style thing?MegumiAzusa wrote...
"the process of being indoctrinated" is a concept purely created by fans.BleedingUranium wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.
If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.
Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.
Could you be a little more clear please?
masster blaster wrote...
Um Bioware said Shepard is in the Breath scene Hanar. Unless Bioware lied, then why is it that if you play male Shepard you hear a male breath, while if you played Fem Shepard you hear a female breath/ both bodys in each breath scene look diffrent.
Also um Shepard does have dog tags. Anderson gives Shepard his/her Dog tags back when Shepard is about to leave Earth.
AresKeith wrote...
I started a ME2 playthrough as my first FemShep :3
Modifié par Fur28, 12 décembre 2012 - 02:27 .
What I meant was the difference is created by fans. If you are in the process of indoctrination you are indoctrinated. There is no way around making bad decisions that help the Reapers. How much they can influence is an ongoing thing, but not that they are able to do so.acidic-ph0 wrote...
MegumiAzusa wrote...
It's a process where at the end you are a walking mass that is under full Reaper control. As I said, in % where do you think you have to be to be called indoctrinated? At the first few % where the Reapers slightly push your buttons so you make choices that are favoring them in a grander scheme without losing to rationally explain the decision in terms of how it fit that moment? Or do you have to openly say "yay Reapers! Harvest me!"Restrider wrote...
Didn't Rana and Benezia explain it as a process and not an off/on-style thing?MegumiAzusa wrote...
"the process of being indoctrinated" is a concept purely created by fans.BleedingUranium wrote...
TheProtheans wrote...
If it is established(established where) Shepard isn't indoctrinated before the ending.
That means the kid is real and a retard.
But also the Rachni thoughts on what happened to her people is worthless.
If the Reapers can put stuff into your mind to make you lose focus, you be pretty indoctrinated.
Unless you don't believe that.
Being in the process of being indoctrinated is not the same as actually being indoctrinated.
It sounds to me like you just contradicted yourself
You said that the "process of indoctrination" is something created by fans, and then you just said that indoctrination is a procress that ranges from influenced descision making to full blown mind-control.
Sooo... it is a process then? Not an On/off kind of deal?
And from what the codex says, if it's done rapidly the host becomes little more than a husk, but if done over a period of months or years, the target can still retain some semblence of free thought while still being influenced.
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