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[paxxton]

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

[Humakt83]

Morinth: "I am the genetic destiny of the asari. But they are not ready to reveal this, so I must die."

Morinth (in ME 3): Shriek!

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fancy BS may still be just BS. Explanation: you can't apply the rule that a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to everything. It would make things impossible to understand, evaluate or dismiss. I'm not saying Synthesis is impossible but it feels like a bit of a cop-out to make it the way it is.

Forget Synthesis, the Crucible itself makes no sense and is complete and utter space magic device developed by species with a low level of tech and they supposedly made the most advanced thing ever.
The crucible is a cop out.

I wonder how IT would end without the use of this space magic.

IT is not based on space magic but on denying that the ending was real. Space Magic is used in the hallucination precisely because it is a hallucination.

But you just said yourself the Crucible is space magic, even in its basic function of destroy. Now you say space magic is only used in the hallucination? The whole reason of ME3 is to hold out until we can use space magic to win against the Reapers.

[TheProtheans]

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

[paxxton]

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fancy BS may still be just BS. Explanation: you can't apply the rule that a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to everything. It would make things impossible to understand, evaluate or dismiss. I'm not saying Synthesis is impossible but it feels like a bit of a cop-out to make it the way it is.

Forget Synthesis, the Crucible itself makes no sense and is complete and utter space magic device developed by species with a low level of tech and they supposedly made the most advanced thing ever.
The crucible is a cop out.

I wonder how IT would end without the use of this space magic.

IT is not based on space magic but on denying that the ending was real. Space Magic is used in the hallucination precisely because it is a hallucination.

Ok.... how would it end without using this space magic?

Shepard wakes up in London from being knocked out by Harbinger's laser and either is taken away by medics or continues the run to the real beam. But since the real beam appears to have been deactivated in the Breath Scene the former (or a retreat) is more probable.

[paxxton]

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fancy BS may still be just BS. Explanation: you can't apply the rule that a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to everything. It would make things impossible to understand, evaluate or dismiss. I'm not saying Synthesis is impossible but it feels like a bit of a cop-out to make it the way it is.

Forget Synthesis, the Crucible itself makes no sense and is complete and utter space magic device developed by species with a low level of tech and they supposedly made the most advanced thing ever.
The crucible is a cop out.

I wonder how IT would end without the use of this space magic.

IT is not based on space magic but on denying that the ending was real. Space Magic is used in the hallucination precisely because it is a hallucination.

Ok.... how would it end without using this space magic?

Shepard wakes up in London from being knocked out by Harbinger's laser and either is taken away by medics or continues the run to the real beam. But since the real beam appears to have been deactivated in the Breath Scene the former (or a retreat) is more probable.

And how do you suggest we win instead? We just used all of our resources for the Crucible? Anything else is an even bigger arse pull.

[TheProtheans]

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 décembre 2012 - 05:20 .

[MegumiAzusa]

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

Where the conventional victory is impossible and the other device would be even more facepalm.

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Fancy BS may still be just BS. Explanation: you can't apply the rule that a sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic to everything. It would make things impossible to understand, evaluate or dismiss. I'm not saying Synthesis is impossible but it feels like a bit of a cop-out to make it the way it is.

Forget Synthesis, the Crucible itself makes no sense and is complete and utter space magic device developed by species with a low level of tech and they supposedly made the most advanced thing ever.
The crucible is a cop out.

I wonder how IT would end without the use of this space magic.

IT is not based on space magic but on denying that the ending was real. Space Magic is used in the hallucination precisely because it is a hallucination.

Ok.... how would it end without using this space magic?

Shepard wakes up in London from being knocked out by Harbinger's laser and either is taken away by medics or continues the run to the real beam. But since the real beam appears to have been deactivated in the Breath Scene the former (or a retreat) is more probable.

And how do you suggest we win instead? We just used all of our resources for the Crucible? Anything else is an even bigger arse pull.

Either find another way or just lose the war. Would make sense with a high-profile mistake of bringing everybody to one place. ME4 would be about organizing resistance against the Reapers.

[TheProtheans]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

Where the conventional victory is impossible and the other device would be even more facepalm.

So no matter where we go and if we stay here we will still be in fail.
Us losing and the next cycle preparing because of the early alert seems the only plausible way to end without something ridiculous.
I still think they should have rammed into the Char relay with something massive.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 décembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[paxxton]

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

The Crucible coupled with the Citadel and the Mass Relay network would make a plausible weapon against the Reapers, sending out deactivation codes.

[TheProtheans]

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

The Crucible coupled with the Citadel and the Mass Relay network would make a plausible weapon against the Reapers, sending out deactivation codes.

Problem I have with it is the same problem I have with the Crucible in the literal version.
It's origins and how the the species got the schematics for it to work with the network on sending out codes makes little sense if any.
I mean really deactivation codes, why the Reapers would have deactivation codes is beyond me.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheProtheans wrote...

I still think they should have rammed into the Char relay with something massive.

That would take too long. The Reapers would see it happening and lock up in their Quantom Shields. The Reapers were minutes outs from using the Alpha Relay, well within the supernove range, and yet survived.

[paxxton]

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So we can assume that the function of the Crucible presented by the Catalyst is not how it really works because it is impossible in terms of coherence. //fancy lingo

So what would the function be?

Either the original, presented throughout the game, or a booby trap planted by the Reapers.

The original would be space magic.
Archengeia made a good point on it being a Reaper trap and I think it is plausible, it makes sense somewhat.

Though then a new way to defeat the Reaper would be needed, either another ancient plausible device/weapon or a conventional victory against the Reapers.

The Crucible coupled with the Citadel and the Mass Relay network would make a plausible weapon against the Reapers, sending out deactivation codes.

Problem I have with it is the same problem I have with the Crucible in the literal version.
It's origins and how the the species got the schematics for it to work with the network on sending out codes makes little sense if any.
I mean really deactivation codes, why the Reapers would have deactivation codes is beyond me.

Or something along these lines. You can see how easily Leviathan dewactivates a Reaper in the DLC, right?

[MegumiAzusa]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

I still think they should have rammed into the Char relay with something massive.

That would take too long. The Reapers would see it happening and lock up in their Quantom Shields. The Reapers were minutes outs from using the Alpha Relay, well within the supernove range, and yet survived.

Minutes of ftl vs seconds of a sublight explosion. No I don't think it even touched them.

[Dwailing]

I just had a thought about something. In a literal version of Control, Shepard just enslaved countless billions of "preserved" lives. Assuming Brat is telling the truth, this assertion is true. Why? Because he says that Shepard will replace him, and he controls, from a literal perspective, the Reapers absolutely. He owns them. That's the definition of slavery. If Shepard chooses Control, he's commiting a crime even worse, if you ask me, than simply killing them in Destroy. And this raises another question, IMHO. What happens to Brat in Synthesis? Does he still control the Reapers? If so, then does he control EVERYONE since everyone is supposedly connected to the Reapers in Synthesis?

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

I still think they should have rammed into the Char relay with something massive.

That would take too long. The Reapers would see it happening and lock up in their Quantom Shields. The Reapers were minutes outs from using the Alpha Relay, well within the supernove range, and yet survived.

Minutes of ftl vs seconds of a sublight explosion. No I don't think it even touched them.

Megumi's right on this one, you can't use the destroy relay tactic against things that can travel at FTL speeds.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

I still think they should have rammed into the Char relay with something massive.

That would take too long. The Reapers would see it happening and lock up in their Quantom Shields. The Reapers were minutes outs from using the Alpha Relay, well within the supernove range, and yet survived.

Minutes of ftl vs seconds of a sublight explosion. No I don't think it even touched them.

Granted, but I still stand by the part about them having enough time to activate their Quantom Shielding. We know that those can survive a supernova due to the Mu Relay in ME1.

[BleedingUranium]

Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought about something. In a literal version of Control, Shepard just enslaved countless billions of "preserved" lives. Assuming Brat is telling the truth, this assertion is true. Why? Because he says that Shepard will replace him, and he controls, from a literal perspective, the Reapers absolutely. He owns them. That's the definition of slavery. If Shepard chooses Control, he's commiting a crime even worse, if you ask me, than simply killing them in Destroy. And this raises another question, IMHO. What happens to Brat in Synthesis? Does he still control the Reapers? If so, then does he control EVERYONE since everyone is supposedly connected to the Reapers in Synthesis?

Exactly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought about something. In a literal version of Control, Shepard just enslaved countless billions of "preserved" lives. Assuming Brat is telling the truth, this assertion is true. Why? Because he says that Shepard will replace him, and he controls, from a literal perspective, the Reapers absolutely. He owns them. That's the definition of slavery. If Shepard chooses Control, he's commiting a crime even worse, if you ask me, than simply killing them in Destroy. And this raises another question, IMHO. What happens to Brat in Synthesis? Does he still control the Reapers? If so, then does he control EVERYONE since everyone is supposedly connected to the Reapers in Synthesis?

I agree with the first part, and as for the second he probably just watched from a distance in order to keep his programming since while people are synthesized, his directive of preserving life will never be complete.

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought about something. In a literal version of Control, Shepard just enslaved countless billions of "preserved" lives. Assuming Brat is telling the truth, this assertion is true. Why? Because he says that Shepard will replace him, and he controls, from a literal perspective, the Reapers absolutely. He owns them. That's the definition of slavery. If Shepard chooses Control, he's commiting a crime even worse, if you ask me, than simply killing them in Destroy. And this raises another question, IMHO. What happens to Brat in Synthesis? Does he still control the Reapers? If so, then does he control EVERYONE since everyone is supposedly connected to the Reapers in Synthesis?

Exactly.

This does make the choice bad, this does not make it impossible.

[N7L4D]

I don't know if this counts as evidence or anything, but I was watching avengers emh, season 2 episode 4 or 5 I forgot, has harbingers voice actor and he says "so be it" and I swear it sounds exactly like the star child minus the reaperfied voice, and I just kept listening to both back to back, I don't think it means much but I felt I should tell some people lol

Modifié par N7L4D, 12 décembre 2012 - 05:44 .

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I just had a thought about something. In a literal version of Control, Shepard just enslaved countless billions of "preserved" lives. Assuming Brat is telling the truth, this assertion is true. Why? Because he says that Shepard will replace him, and he controls, from a literal perspective, the Reapers absolutely. He owns them. That's the definition of slavery. If Shepard chooses Control, he's commiting a crime even worse, if you ask me, than simply killing them in Destroy. And this raises another question, IMHO. What happens to Brat in Synthesis? Does he still control the Reapers? If so, then does he control EVERYONE since everyone is supposedly connected to the Reapers in Synthesis?

Exactly.

This does make the choice bad, this does not make it impossible.

This is a post about themes, not whether it's possible or not.

[BleedingUranium]

N7L4D wrote...

I don't know if this counts as evidence or anything, but I was watching avengers emh, season 2 episode 4 or 5 I forgot, has harbingers voice actor and he says "so be it" and I swear it sounds exactly like the star child minus the reaperfied voice, and I just kept listening to both back to back, I don't think it means much but I felt I should tell some people lol

I'm pretty sure we figured out that the "So be it" line is actaully MaleShep, but that's still funny