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[estebanus]

Quod erat demonstrandum. Goodbye.

[TSA_383]

If you two are going to bicker that's fine by me, but can you do it somewhere else?
Please?

[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

estebanus wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

People who hate the IT are idiots.

Then I guess you consider people who hate the literalist version as geniuses?

This. Stop this crap, Coolio. You're only trying to get a rise from literalists.

No.

You really do hate everyone but ITers, don't you?

No.

So what you're sayning is you hate haters?

No. 

[Home run MF]

Andromidius wrote...

Pretty much.  The other evidences are just sprinkles on top of the cake.  Delicious as they are, the cake is made from the themes that run throughout the entire series.  Reapers being merciless and cold butchers of organics, indoctrination being their primary weapon, strength of willpower being the best defense against them, unity brings strength, diversity over conformity...

If I could post all that on my sig I would.

DoomsdayDevice & Andromidius you resume my toughs perfectly.
They even compared Mass Effect with Blade Runner at some point. I didn't need Ridley Scott to tell me about Deckard I was pretty sure of what he was. Spoon feeding is not always a good thing.

[DoomsdayDevice]

RavenEyry wrote...

One of the most commons excuses for why control is a viable choice even though Shepard shot it down merely minutes earlier is "they didn't know it was possible". This is ridiculous because of the lines "What if I can?" "We're not ready". Shepard doesn't think we can't, they think we shouldn't.

Unless the ghost of a dead child that admits to ruling the reapers tells them to of course.

Yeah, exactly.

Shepard says TIM wants power he shouldn't be able to wield. And that TIM can never be sure the Reapers will let him control them. And that he's putting humanity's existence on the line if he's wrong.

And people go ahead and pick control, thinking it's okay because this Reaper AI tells them that it's possible.

No, really Shepard, we control TIM, but not you! We won't let him control us, but we will let you! Because you're teh awesome Shepard!

Seems legit.

[TSA_383]

TSA_383 wrote...



Check out towards the end of this video, leviathan's underwater atlas sections sure do look appealing.

Quoting to bring it to the new page after the estebanus/CT slagging match.

Also CT, calling people idiots for not agreeing with you isn't the point of this thread. We're supposed to be about logic and debate and such.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

One of the most commons excuses for why control is a viable choice even though Shepard shot it down merely minutes earlier is "they didn't know it was possible". This is ridiculous because of the lines "What if I can?" "We're not ready". Shepard doesn't think we can't, they think we shouldn't. 

Unless the ghost of a dead child that admits to ruling the reapers tells them to of course.

Yeah, exactly.

Shepard says TIM wants power he shouldn't be able to wield. And that TIM can never be sure the Reapers will let him control them. And that he's putting humanity's existence on the line if he's wrong.

And people go ahead and pick control, thinking it's okay because this Reaper AI tells them that it's possible.

No, really Shepard, we control TIM, but not you! We won't let him control us, but we will let you! Because you're teh awesome Shepard!

Seems legit.

 
I still find it deeply entertaining that this idea makes more sense to some than the idea that shepard might be being *GASP* manipulated by a being that admits to controlling the reaper forces.

Noooo.... the reapers would never want to control Shepard, they've never voiced that objective.... Except throughout ME2... and as the last thing we've heard a reaper say (Harbinger in Arrival).

In fact, there's a bunch of forum threads in the ME2 forums from just after arrival came out saying things like "I think indoctrination will play a prominent role in ME3" so this has to be reasonably obvious.

Modifié par TSA_383, 07 août 2012 - 01:51 .

[CoolioThane]

estebanus wrote...

Quod erat demonstrandum. Goodbye.

Yeah, asking you to explain why you call me a child is childish.

Remember you chose to take offense at something not involving you.

Modifié par CoolioThane, 07 août 2012 - 01:52 .

[Dr JaMiN]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

We're not getting a final 'wake up' DLC. If there's anything Bioware have been consistently repeating, it's that they don't want to be prescriptive about the ending. Just accept it.

I wholeheartedly believe they intended Indoctrination, but it is their artistic vision to leave it ambiguous. Just accept that fact and it'll be easier. Stop looking for confirmation. At best we'll get more hints. It would be awesome if I'm wrong, just don't count on it.

=)

I can't even count how many lies they've said, about the ending, EC, everything. All we can really do is let the future DLC speak for itself.

[JesseLee202]

So are ITers still waiting for ending DLC? Because I think the chances are very slim.

BW has stated many times that they are not releasing any ending related DLC.

I just wanna get a sense where you guys still stand.

Edit: wow, didn't see that post above mine... 

Modifié par JesseLee202, 07 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[TSA_383]

Oh, something entertaining just happened.

I just got an absolute Essay of a youtube message from the person who controls the Aria T'Loak youtube account.
They're an IT fan.
Win.

[CoolioThane]

Nothing about Post-ending or bridging DLC which is what I think will come.

[TSA_383]

JesseLee202 wrote...

So are ITers still waiting for ending DLC? Because I think the chances are very slim.

BW has stated many times that they are not releasing any ending related DLC.

I just wanna get a sense where you guys still stand.

Edit: wow, didn't see that post above mine... 

Well we know that Leviathan allows you to confront the catalyst over what it did to its creators, so I don't think it's out of the question that future DLC can change the endings somewhat.

[Home run MF]

TSA_383 wrote...

Oh, something entertaining just happened.

I just got an absolute Essay of a youtube message from the person who controls the Aria T'Loak youtube account.
They're an IT fan.
Win.

That account is made of pure awesomesauce the puns with Kai Leng are the best

[JesseLee202]

CoolioThane wrote...

Nothing about Post-ending or bridging DLC which is what I think will come.

I really don't see how BW could continue ME with the original endings... Too many variables.

They shot themselves in the foot.

I was one of the people that used to like IT, until EC was not letting you play as Shep. IT would of been a good escape route for them to take IMO, but they didn't, and I accept the endings as they are.

[JesseLee202]

TSA_383 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

So are ITers still waiting for ending DLC? Because I think the chances are very slim.

BW has stated many times that they are not releasing any ending related DLC.

I just wanna get a sense where you guys still stand.

Edit: wow, didn't see that post above mine... 

Well we know that Leviathan allows you to confront the catalyst over what it did to its creators, so I don't think it's out of the question that future DLC can change the endings somewhat.

Pretty sure there is a tweet that confirms all it does is change some dialogue in the end. Nothing major like "wake up" DLC.

[TSA_383]

JesseLee202 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

So are ITers still waiting for ending DLC? Because I think the chances are very slim.

BW has stated many times that they are not releasing any ending related DLC.

I just wanna get a sense where you guys still stand.

Edit: wow, didn't see that post above mine... 

Well we know that Leviathan allows you to confront the catalyst over what it did to its creators, so I don't think it's out of the question that future DLC can change the endings somewhat.

Pretty sure there is a tweet that confirms all it does is change some dialogue in the end. Nothing major like "wake up" DLC.

You can change a lot about the endings by adding dialogue that adds new context 
Although they never confirmed that was the "only" thing it was adding.

[RavenEyry]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Pretty sure there is a tweet that confirms all it does is change some dialogue in the end. Nothing major like "wake up" DLC.

He said 'future DLC' as in after leviathan.

[CoolioThane]

JesseLee202 wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

So are ITers still waiting for ending DLC? Because I think the chances are very slim.

BW has stated many times that they are not releasing any ending related DLC.

I just wanna get a sense where you guys still stand.

Edit: wow, didn't see that post above mine... 

Well we know that Leviathan allows you to confront the catalyst over what it did to its creators, so I don't think it's out of the question that future DLC can change the endings somewhat.

Pretty sure there is a tweet that confirms all it does is change some dialogue in the end. Nothing major like "wake up" DLC.

Pretty sure all the EC was going to do was add more conversations plus slides...have us a new ending despite them saying there wouldn't be any 

Goood for you if you accept the endings with EC but it makes more sense, IMO, when they release the wake up dlc

[GethPrimeMKII]

I wonder if we'll see any DLC concerning planet Klencory and the "beings of light". Something like that could swing things even more heavily in IT's favor if done well.

[RavenEyry]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I wonder if we'll see any DLC concerning planet Klencory and the "beings of light". Something like that could swing things even more heavily in IT's favor if done well.

How?

[JesseLee202]

 IDK, expecting DLC that lets you play as Shep now just seems extremely unlikely...
Only time will tell.

@RavenEyry My bad, looking for that tweet now. Might have also included future DLC
Here it is... 

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."

Found it from. 
http://www.examiner....ect-3-s-endings

That quote seems to also include any DLC that would enable you to play as Shep in an "Awake" DLC.

Modifié par JesseLee202, 07 août 2012 - 02:13 .

[pseudonymic]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I wonder if we'll see any DLC concerning planet Klencory and the "beings of light". Something like that could swing things even more heavily in IT's favor if done well.

"done well" is kind of questionable, after the ending we got.

there are a handful of articles about what the leviathan dlc will/will not do. unanimously, it seems to just expand upon possibilities and open up dialog options with the catalyst, but that's about it. it won't change the ending, as we know it. unless there is a conversation option added in there that makes it so that you realize you're being indoctrinated, i don't know how the new content could tie in with IT. at this point, i really believe vagueness is the last thing wanted/needed. most of what articles seem to be discussing are the gameplay of the mission and its difficulty.

what i don't understand is... why go through the lengths of something as lame as the EC if IT is what's really happening? eh.

[RavenEyry]

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

[pseudonymic]

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

unless he's being "clever", and the content is already there from the inexplicably huge EC slideshow. in which case, technically, it isn't adding anything. just "unlocking".

[GethPrimeMKII]

RavenEyry wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I wonder if we'll see any DLC concerning planet Klencory and the "beings of light". Something like that could swing things even more heavily in IT's favor if done well.

How?

Its a common argument used to debunk IT. The literalists like to use it as evidence that the Ghost child catalyst was forshadowed and is therefore real. It would be interesting if this dlc destroyed the notion that beings of light exist.