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[BleedingUranium]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Just gonna leave this...right heeere

twitter.com/GambleMike/status/278941502372188162
"Don't believe everything you read, by the way :)"

This is probably him referring to an interview posted on the Gamersyndrome website (they were doing an interview with some ellusive Mr. "Bioware" and there this person mentioned a possible release date for the next ME game).
But still, I like how he worded that statement very generally.

Sure could've used it back in the days when the literalists' main defense was "Bioware said/wrote so".

Sounds like that

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

hooray i'm baaaaaaaaaaack.. did i miss anything worth while?

Paxxton thinks brainwashing and slavery is a good thing.

I don't think that.

[Humakt83]

Bill Casey wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Reaper indoctrination devices on the wall of Lesuss' Monastery.

You sure you aren't looking at barrier engines?
The devices that give nearby reaper troops barriers?

Did not have such name. Looks were identical to the reaper indoctrination devices in multiplayer.

[paxxton]

Here's the article Mike Gamble refers to in his tweet:
http://gamersyndrome...-effect-series/

Modifié par paxxton, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[TheProtheans]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Control is a no no. TIM Indoctrinated, Kai Leng Indoctrinated, Cerberus troops Indoctrinated, the Geth being Controled by Reaper signals Indoctrinated, and Reaper husk/zombi armys Indoctrinated.

What Brat says is law. He controls the Reapers, He tells us that he controled TIM. He made us shot Anderson. He sent Harbinger to kill our Shepard/ everyone charging at the beam. Reapers Indoctrinated world Leaders. The ******* kid told Cerberus to attack the Citadle/ killing Thane in the process.

I can go on, but you get that point.

I thought it was a hallucination.

You do realize to discuss the IT we must also discuss the literal viewpoint, right?

No, the literal view is a dream and irrelevant.

[spotlessvoid]

TheProtheans wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...
frequency of exposure, and proximity to indoctrination source are contributing factors to the effectiveness of indoctrination.

Amount of exposure is irrelevant after a certain stage(specificially the amount needed to begin the process)
Once the seeds are planted they're planted and indoctrination begins.

This depends on many factors. A subject who is strong of will and morally upright is not easily corrupted. The length and frequency of exposure definitely effect it. This is why the Cerberus scientists, Benezia, etc weren't immediately indoctrinated. Continuous prolonged exposure is not the same as repeated brief exposure.
When a valuable subject is targeted, manipulation of their emotions, instinct, and ambitions can be accomplished with less exposure if the subject is easier to manipulate. The more the Reapers force their way in to a subject psyche, the higher the risk of ending up with a babbling idiot. High value targets are not pushed to the point of mental breakdown. The Reapers are often insidious and cunning in their use of indoctrination

Many factors that you just made up in respect to Mass effect.
The Cerberus scientists had little to no use and so the Reapers made their indoctrination process more rapid so that they would become mindless husks on purpose.
Benezia had her uses and her indoctrination process was slower than most ones we know but more rapid than Shepard and Saren.
Without her being able to save a piece of her mind with her strong ability she would have been a 100% reaper agent when we met her.
Instead she was able to keep part of herself there long enough to say something and break from her changed self.
Exposure is exposure, how badly it affects you is up to the Reapers and how useful they rate you.
Take Saren and Benezia for example.
They're on Sovereign for ages, why would Saren's process be less advanced than Benezia's if he was with Sovereign longer and Benezia joined later to try and divert his path.

There is no risk of them making you a babbling idiot if they don't want, you becoming a babbling idiot depends on your usefulness.
More useful beings are not huskified or indoctrinated more to be a Reaper drone because they work better when the Reapers allow them to keep parts of themselves. 

Rate of exposure is initially important. And thanks for admitting that the Reapers only push indoctrination as far as necessary based on the value of their target

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheProtheans wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Control is a no no. TIM Indoctrinated, Kai Leng Indoctrinated, Cerberus troops Indoctrinated, the Geth being Controled by Reaper signals Indoctrinated, and Reaper husk/zombi armys Indoctrinated.

What Brat says is law. He controls the Reapers, He tells us that he controled TIM. He made us shot Anderson. He sent Harbinger to kill our Shepard/ everyone charging at the beam. Reapers Indoctrinated world Leaders. The ******* kid told Cerberus to attack the Citadle/ killing Thane in the process.

I can go on, but you get that point.

I thought it was a hallucination.

You do realize to discuss the IT we must also discuss the literal viewpoint, right?

No, the literal view is a dream and irrelevant.

You must study the enemy in order to strengthen yourself.
Not saying that literalists and ITers are enemies, but the principle applies.

[dorktainian]

[spotlessvoid]

TheProtheans wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Control is a no no. TIM Indoctrinated, Kai Leng Indoctrinated, Cerberus troops Indoctrinated, the Geth being Controled by Reaper signals Indoctrinated, and Reaper husk/zombi armys Indoctrinated.

What Brat says is law. He controls the Reapers, He tells us that he controled TIM. He made us shot Anderson. He sent Harbinger to kill our Shepard/ everyone charging at the beam. Reapers Indoctrinated world Leaders. The ******* kid told Cerberus to attack the Citadle/ killing Thane in the process.

I can go on, but you get that point.

I thought it was a hallucination.

You do realize to discuss the IT we must also discuss the literal viewpoint, right?

No, the literal view is a dream and irrelevant.

Part of IT is disproving the validity of the literal ending

[Ageless Face]

BansheeOwnage wrote...
Hey Hagar! It's been a while. Unfortunately I have to go right about now, but good to see you again!

Good to see you too Banshee 

spotlessvoid wrote...

That's a lot of risk Hagar.

4.I'm saying that before choosing Shepard does not understand enough to know his mind can handle it.
5. That's a massive armada, still capable of indoctrination, still controlled by a singular entity.
6. That is exponentially more dangerous than someone rebuilding a few Reapers. We don't know the condition, and most importantly if any cognitive function (which is the true danger) remains in destroyed Reapers. With their barriers down, the Reapers can be pulverized by conventional weaponry to ensure their total elimination.

4. That is more of a question of trusting the catalyst when he says you can do it. Painfull to admit, but I trusted he told me the truth. Although same can be said for everyone who chose one of the three choices (unless believing IT, obviously).

5. Which it's why most people picture that entity with the personality of their previous Shepard (and that is back upped by the epilouge, at least paragon one), one who will try to make the best for the galaxy, rather than rule over it.
As for renegade... No comment.

6. You don't know if the Reapers' barriers are down, even if you did, they can go up again, simply give a group determind enough time and resources to do it. A few Reapers can be turn to many, and even few can be enough to be a major threat to the galaxy. Is that threat more dangerous than having AIShep turning evil? I admit, no. Much less so, in fact. But the risk is still there, and there is actually more chance for it to happen than AIShep getting corrupted, at least in time where the galaxy wouldn't be able to protect itself. After all, Reaper technology IS very advanced. So I stand by what I said. The risks are pretty equal.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:35 .

[BleedingUranium]

dorktainian wrote...

Sky and clouds?

[paxxton]

BleedingUranium wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Sky and clouds?

Holes in the wall?

A few months ago someone said it was Earth.

[umadcommander]

dorktainian wrote...

isnt the desision chamber supposed to be up there
that looks like either the citadel wings or a fire

Modifié par umadcommander, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:37 .

[Humakt83]

Falere: "Rila. Rila, wake up."
Samara: "Falere. Rila cannot hear us."
Falere: "Look -- she's still alive."
Samara: "I know, but I am afraid Rila is not well."
Falere: "Rila's not one of them yet. She can't be! She just need to wake up."

Modifié par Humakt83, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:36 .

[MaximizedAction]

Have seen this posted before.
Btw, is that screenshot from a pre or post-EC scene?

[Ageless Face]

Humakt83 wrote...

Falere: "Rila. Rila, wake up."
Samara: "Falere. Rila cannot hear us."
Falere: "Look -- she's still alive."
Samara: "I know, but I am afraid Rila is not well."
Falere: "Rila's not one of them yet. She can't be! She just need to wake up."

I knew that scene reminded me of something!!!!

[spotlessvoid]

No offense Hagar

But that's a massive risk and a lot of optimistic assumptions.

Regarding destroy- what exactly is destroyed if the Reapers are still functional and shielded? If destroy just stuns or damages them then it's not destroy. The galaxy is united and no longer under immediate attack. I'd rather pin my hopes to a clean up effort (if the Reapers aren't already completely nullified as a threat) than to changing nothing but which AI is in charge

[spotlessvoid]

Put it like this:

Best case control is still significantly more dangerous than worst case destroy

[Humakt83]

HagarIshay wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Falere: "Rila. Rila, wake up."
Samara: "Falere. Rila cannot hear us."
Falere: "Look -- she's still alive."
Samara: "I know, but I am afraid Rila is not well."
Falere: "Rila's not one of them yet. She can't be! She just need to wake up."

I knew that scene reminded me of something!!!!

Room setup is interesting, from Rila's POV at least. Cables, explosives, two dead commandoes, huge windows to the outside, three doors outside to get outside the room....

And particles in the air.

Modifié par Humakt83, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:43 .

[Ageless Face]

spotlessvoid wrote...

No offense Hagar

But that's a massive risk and a lot of optimistic assumptions.

Regarding destroy- what exactly is destroyed if the Reapers are still functional and shielded? If destroy just stuns or damages them then it's not destroy. The galaxy is united and no longer under immediate attack. I'd rather pin my hopes to a clean up effort (if the Reapers aren't already completely nullified as a threat) than to changing nothing but which AI is in charge

No offense taken- heard that one before in a lot less consideration. So, thanks. I guess.

I don't know what is destroyed in destroy. We can, however, see that the Reapers don't just go in a massive BOOM and get turned into dust. Their "bodied" are still intact. Maybe it's just me, but I find it REALLY hard to believe people would not try- and maybe even succeed- to rebuild the Reapers, or at least build prototypes based on the technology.

I'm not saying it will happen. Just that the risk is there.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

dorktainian wrote...

Looks like...Earth...which would mean those open to outer space...

[RavenEyry]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Looks like...Earth...which would mean those open to outer space...

Lalala... invisible forcefields... lalala...

[paxxton]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Looks like...Earth...which would mean those open to outer space...

Where exactly those holes are?

[MaximizedAction]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Looks like...Earth...which would mean those open to outer space...

The question remains: if not corrected in the EC, then was it an design oversight (like the one on Normandy's Main Battery room) or intentionally left there to cast doubt? If latter, the EC did correct stuff like this, like for example the Keeper that you could walk through.
So what about this one? Bug or not bug?

edit: Alriiight, top and OT.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 12 décembre 2012 - 08:56 .

[ThisOneIsPunny]

HagarIshay wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

No offense Hagar

But that's a massive risk and a lot of optimistic assumptions.

Regarding destroy- what exactly is destroyed if the Reapers are still functional and shielded? If destroy just stuns or damages them then it's not destroy. The galaxy is united and no longer under immediate attack. I'd rather pin my hopes to a clean up effort (if the Reapers aren't already completely nullified as a threat) than to changing nothing but which AI is in charge

No offense taken- heard that one before in a lot less consideration. So, thanks. I guess.

I don't know what is destroyed in destroy. We can, however, see that the Reapers don't just go in a massive BOOM and get turned into dust. Their "bodied" are still intact. Maybe it's just me, but I find it REALLY hard to believe people would not try- and maybe even succeed- to rebuild the Reapers, or at least build prototypes.

I'm not saying it will happen. Just that the risk is there.

Interesting you bring that up, considering the husks get destroyed and dusted by the red beam, but apparently nothing else with reaper tech/synthetics that we see does.