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[Piplodocus]

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

demersel wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

woah my mind is well and truly blown....

Please be more specific. 

just had a really vivid thought about how shep thinks he's been killing bad guys, but actually killing good guys....altered perception and all that...  what has he done?

You mean like in Dead Space: Extraction? 

Has also happened in a Bioware game before: In Baldur's Gate 2, at the start of the Firkraag quest, the protagonist is duped into killing a group of knights and paladins who (s)he mis-perceives as ogres, due to magical influence.

[TheProtheans]

estebanus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Hey guys, is it true that the new DLC requires all the past DLC in me3 to use it? That's what I heard resently.

If that was true I will attempt a backflip out of happiness. But I have heard no such thing. 

That'd really ****** a lot of people off. Saying that all other DLC is required to play a DLC is a rip-off, simply put.

I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:49 .

[dreamgazer]

Andromidius wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

http://social.biowar.../index/13006636

This thread is full of facepalm.

No other words are required.

http://social.biowar.../index/13414717

As is this, doesn't stop us from posting

No.

Yes.  

Doesn't mean the topic itself is facepalm-inducing, only some of the posts and the direction of the conversations.  And I've seen some gems in here from both sides of the fence. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 12 décembre 2012 - 10:59 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

TheProtheans wrote...
I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

I agree with you. The entire trilogy follows the same principle. Sure, you just need ME3, but if you buy ME1 and ME2 it will be so much better.

[estebanus]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

I agree with you. The entire trilogy follows the same principle. Sure, you just need ME3, but if you buy ME1 and ME2 it will be so much better.

...eh, I've gotta disagree with you on that. ME3 is really only partly better with the 2 earlier ones than without. BioWare even advertised ME3 as the best jumping point into the series. 

Tat said, most of the choices made for a default Shepard have also been chosen by me, so maybe that's why I think that.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

I agree with you. The entire trilogy follows the same principle. Sure, you just need ME3, but if you buy ME1 and ME2 it will be so much better.

...eh, I've gotta disagree with you on that. ME3 is really only partly better with the 2 earlier ones than without. BioWare even advertised ME3 as the best jumping point into the series. 

Tat said, most of the choices made for a default Shepard have also been chosen by me, so maybe that's why I think that.

Your main Shepard is nearly the same as FailShep?

How awful.

[spotlessvoid]

Considering the lack of significant enthusiasm for ME4, free DLC with certain endings contingent on DLC specific assets is certainly possible, as is a free dlc with no requirements. This franchise needs a big interest boost to continue it's previous success

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

I agree with you. The entire trilogy follows the same principle. Sure, you just need ME3, but if you buy ME1 and ME2 it will be so much better.

...eh, I've gotta disagree with you on that. ME3 is really only partly better with the 2 earlier ones than without. BioWare even advertised ME3 as the best jumping point into the series. 

Tat said, most of the choices made for a default Shepard have also been chosen by me, so maybe that's why I think that.

Your main Shepard is nearly the same as FailShep?

How awful.

I specifically meant that in the sense that I also killed Wrex in ME1.That seems like the only huge thing that Even meant anything. Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

[estebanus]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Considering the lack of significant enthusiasm for ME4, free DLC with certain endings contingent on DLC specific assets is certainly possible, as is a free dlc with no requirements. This franchise needs a big interest boost to continue it's previous success

That still totally depends on what DLC it is they make. EA has a reputation of sucking companies dry before dissolving them, that may be what's happening to BioWare right now. 

I'm pretty sure that a major SP DLC will cost money, simply because it'd take a lot of resources to make, and EA already lost money with the EC. 
However, I think that minor SP DLC will cost very little or nothing, considering the negative route the series is heading.

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Why do you want the geth dead? And why side with the quarians? I've never understood that.

[masster blaster]

I am with byne on this. Not playing ME1, and ME 2 is just bad. It's like studing for a math test, and you only read book 3, but not book 1, and 2. Then when you take the test you fail, or by luck you pass, but with a very low grade.

Also how would it affect people that didn't have ME1, and 2, and have no MP? I mean there are minor choices in ME1, and ME2, that help give you war assets.

If Galactic readiness was only at 50/ stayed at 50. Plus with no MP again, and don't have ME1, and ME2, that includece that dlc for ME1, and ME2. You are bound to make/ have a bad/fallen Shepard.,

[ElSuperGecko]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
Hey guys, is it true that the new DLC requires all the past DLC in me3 to use it? That's what I heard resently.

IIRC, that was what was suggested in Clevernoob's "leaked" DLC schedule for the final ME3 dlc (titled "Rebirth".  The leaked schedule was dismissed as a fake by by Bioware, so I guess this rumour would be fake as well.

[MegumiAzusa]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...
I don't think it will be required if it was true.
More like the paid DLC would have significant changes that would encourage their sales to influence the outcome.

I agree with you. The entire trilogy follows the same principle. Sure, you just need ME3, but if you buy ME1 and ME2 it will be so much better.

...eh, I've gotta disagree with you on that. ME3 is really only partly better with the 2 earlier ones than without. BioWare even advertised ME3 as the best jumping point into the series. 

Tat said, most of the choices made for a default Shepard have also been chosen by me, so maybe that's why I think that.

Your main Shepard is nearly the same as FailShep?

How awful.

I specifically meant that in the sense that I also killed Wrex in ME1.That seems like the only huge thing that Even meant anything. Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Best to let the Quarians die, then pick destroy and kill ALL the Geth! :3

[Darth_Acheron47]

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

[MegumiAzusa]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

The good thing is not always the right thing.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

The good thing is not always the right thing.

Agreed.  It might be a good idea at the time when you're desperate and facing a nigh unbeatable enemy but after the war and everything involving the reapers is said and done, it's probably not going to be pretty.
 Short term vs long term consequences/stuff.

[Dwailing]

ElSuperGecko wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
Hey guys, is it true that the new DLC requires all the past DLC in me3 to use it? That's what I heard resently.

IIRC, that was what was suggested in Clevernoob's "leaked" DLC schedule for the final ME3 dlc (titled "Rebirth".  The leaked schedule was dismissed as a fake by by Bioware, so I guess this rumour would be fake as well.

Was it denied by Chris Priestly?  Because if so, that means absolutely nothing, since Chris's job is, as far as I can tell, to deny any and all rumors until BioWare actually announces them.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Why do you want the geth dead? And why side with the quarians? I've never understood that.

Personally, the only reason I would side with the Quarians is because Tali kills herself if you choose the Geth.  If it wasn't for that, if I was ever put in a position where I had to choose and couldn't make peace, I'd always choose the Geth.  Always.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Why do you want the geth dead? And why side with the quarians? I've never understood that.

Because I don't give a flying sh*t about them. If they're meant to be an innocent, mistreated "race" is irrelevant, they still committed genocide on their masters (even if the quarians tried killing them first, it doesn't matter. You don't see jews and eastern europeans hunting and killing all germans) and drove them into exile where they had to live for centuries with breathing masks on, and were continuously attacked by the geth whenever skirting the perseus veil. 

Also, they're machines, and they've already been hacked by the reapers. Twice. Also, I'd never be able to choose a robot to over an organic being. Wiping out a race that can't be reconstructed is quite differen than wikping out one which easily can be replaced.

[Darth_Acheron47]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

The good thing is not always the right thing.

Agreed.  It might be a good idea at the time when you're desperate and facing a nigh unbeatable enemy but after the war and everything involving the reapers is said and done, it's probably not going to be pretty.
 Short term vs long term consequences/stuff.

Yeah, that was kind of what I meant - it's interesting that you can't just go "I'll pick the top one because that's the right answer" anymore. Then again, I haven't really tried that with the other games yet, so maybe there's more situations that are similiar that I just don't know about.

[estebanus]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

Yeah, turns out that being a ruthless realist tends to get you more help than a idealist. It's always been that way. The idealist may win the hearts of the people, but in the end, it's always the realist who stands there with the best resources.

Same reason why China is getting richer and richer. They harm their ecosystem and human rights in exchange for better industry and cheaper working forces.

Modifié par estebanus, 12 décembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[byne]

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Why do you want the geth dead? And why side with the quarians? I've never understood that.

Because I don't give a flying sh*t about them. If they're meant to be an innocent, mistreated "race" is irrelevant, they still committed genocide on their masters (even if the quarians tried killing them first, it doesn't matter. You don't see jews and eastern europeans hunting and killing all germans) and drove them into exile where they had to live for centuries with breathing masks on, and were continuously attacked by the geth whenever skirting the perseus veil. 

Also, they're machines, and they've already been hacked by the reapers. Twice. Also, I'd never be able to choose a robot to over an organic being. Wiping out a race that can't be reconstructed is quite differen than wikping out one which easily can be replaced.

I dont think I've ever disagreed with something you've said more than I disagree with this post. I'd argue with you but I already have a headache (as usual <_<) and would rather not make it worse.

[estebanus]

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

byne wrote...

estebanus wrote...

Most of the time I also wanted to see the geth dead, but I decided in the end that they were valuable resources, which is whyI let them live. 

As such, I couldn't really give a damn if Shepard only had the option to either kill the quarians or the geth. I'd still choose quarians each time.

Why do you want the geth dead? And why side with the quarians? I've never understood that.

Because I don't give a flying sh*t about them. If they're meant to be an innocent, mistreated "race" is irrelevant, they still committed genocide on their masters (even if the quarians tried killing them first, it doesn't matter. You don't see jews and eastern europeans hunting and killing all germans) and drove them into exile where they had to live for centuries with breathing masks on, and were continuously attacked by the geth whenever skirting the perseus veil. 

Also, they're machines, and they've already been hacked by the reapers. Twice. Also, I'd never be able to choose a robot to over an organic being. Wiping out a race that can't be reconstructed is quite differen than wikping out one which easily can be replaced.

I dont think I've ever disagreed with something you've said more than I disagree with this post. I'd argue with you but I already have a headache (as usual <_<) and would rather not make it worse.

Then don't. It all comes down to personal interpretation and morals anyway.

[MegumiAzusa]

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

The good thing is not always the right thing.

Agreed.  It might be a good idea at the time when you're desperate and facing a nigh unbeatable enemy but after the war and everything involving the reapers is said and done, it's probably not going to be pretty.
 Short term vs long term consequences/stuff.

Yeah, that was kind of what I meant - it's interesting that you can't just go "I'll pick the top one because that's the right answer" anymore. Then again, I haven't really tried that with the other games yet, so maybe there's more situations that are similiar that I just don't know about.

Renegade interrupts often let you kill or damage enemies. Same principle.

[Darth_Acheron47]

estebanus wrote...

Darth_Acheron47 wrote...

What's interesting to me about the kill vs. save Wrex thing is that you can actually get the support of both the krogan AND the salarians. All you have to do is kill Wrex, delete Maelon's genophage data, sabotage the genophage cure, and then lie about it for the rest of the game.

This is how my insanity run with my "make the wrong choices on purpose" Shepard ended up with the highest EMS score of all my plays so far.

So you actually get rewarded for being evil and heartless. Granted it's just with the more or less meaningless EMS scores, but the fact that now that's a "good thing to do" represents a real interesting ideological turn in this game from the previous two.

Yeah, turns out that being a ruthless realist tends to get you more help than a idealist. It's always been that way. The idealist may win the hearts of the people, but in the end, it's always the realist who stands there with the best resources.

Yeah, but if you kill the Council in the first game, (which seems like the practical thing to do, because you don't know if the Destiny Ascension can even be saved) that lowers your score rather than giving you additional human assets you can make use of later.

Again, I know it's just the EMS totals and they're pretty much useless anyway, I just think it's interesting because it makes you think both short term and long term and decide whether it's worth it for the "quick fix" or not. In some cases it might be, but in some it probably makes the situation on the whole a lot worse. I don't recall that happening in the first two games, so when I ended up with krogan and salarian support because Wreav never figured out that I didn't actually cure the genophage, I was surprised. It made me start looking at some of the other decisions in the game and wondering about how things would really end up.