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[Leonia]

CoolioThane wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, they are also idiots.

Then all the haters are idiots?

Then I hardly think anyone can speak about certain haters being idiots. Everyone hate something...

Hate over art is stupid. 

There are elements you may dislike, but hating a work of art is stupid. Hating people is fine, though.


Oh, I'm acting like a child, Estebanus? How so? Really

Hate is never acceptable.

[JesseLee202]

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

Dialogue that does not essentially change the endings like an "Awake" DLC would...

And its the first paragraph you should be concerned about...

[Home run MF]

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

If (according to the leak) adding lines of the catalyst sayin I am prepared to hear your solution. and  Have you not come to provide your own solution? is not changing the ending in any way, idk what it is. 

Modifié par Home run MF, 07 août 2012 - 02:20 .

[JesseLee202]

Home run MF wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

If (according to the leak) adding lines of the catalyst sayin I am prepared to hear your solution. and  Have you not come to provide your own solution? is not changing the ending in any way, idk what it is. 

Source please.

[RavenEyry]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Its a common argument used to debunk IT. The literalists like to use it as evidence that the Ghost child catalyst was forshadowed and is therefore real. It would be interesting if this dlc destroyed the notion that beings of light exist. 

?

EC blatantly tells you the catalyst is a singular AI, not a member of a mysterious race a mad volus once prattled about.

[GethPrimeMKII]

So we're debating what the definition of change is? New dialogue seems like a change to me. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but it was said that future DLC would alter the ending just like Leviathan will.

[Leonia]

I'm not sure what Bioware's definition of "change" or "ending" is but it's probably not the same as ours.

[TSA_383]

pseudonymic wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I wonder if we'll see any DLC concerning planet Klencory and the "beings of light". Something like that could swing things even more heavily in IT's favor if done well.

"done well" is kind of questionable, after the ending we got.

there are a handful of articles about what the leviathan dlc will/will not do. unanimously, it seems to just expand upon possibilities and open up dialog options with the catalyst, but that's about it. it won't change the ending, as we know it. unless there is a conversation option added in there that makes it so that you realize you're being indoctrinated, i don't know how the new content could tie in with IT. at this point, i really believe vagueness is the last thing wanted/needed. most of what articles seem to be discussing are the gameplay of the mission and its difficulty.

what i don't understand is... why go through the lengths of something as lame as the EC if IT is what's really happening? eh.

It allows you to confront the catalyst over it's attempted forced synthesis of its creators, the Leviathans.
Which, I would have thought, makes it WAAAAAAAAY more obvious what synthesis represents 

[RavenEyry]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Dialogue that does not essentially change the endings like an "Awake" DLC would...

And its the first paragraph you should be concerned about...

I'm not saying Leviathan will completely overhaul the ending, I'm saying that the statement you quoted contradicted itself.

[Home run MF]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

“I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc."[/i]

The second paragraph of that quote then mentions the new catalyst dialogie in leviathan, which most would consider 'adding or subtracting to or from the endings'.

If (according to the leak) adding lines of the catalyst sayin I am prepared to hear your solution. and  Have you not come to provide your own solution? is not changing the ending in any way, idk what it is. 

Source please.

It's in the TLK files that came with one of the MP DLC. I can upload it but TSA would probably be of more help.

[RavenEyry]

leonia42 wrote...

I'm not sure what Bioware's definition of "change" or "ending" is but it's probably not the same as ours.

Well Bioware sometimes say the whole game is the ending, which means even weapon packs would change the ending in some way.

[Leonia]

Andromidius wrote...

Pretty much.  The other evidences are just sprinkles on top of the cake.  Delicious as they are, the cake is made from the themes that run throughout the entire series.  Reapers being merciless and cold butchers of organics, indoctrination being their primary weapon, strength of willpower being the best defense against them, unity brings strength, diversity over conformity...

And without IT, none of those themes are respected by the ME3 ending.  They are destroyed, thrown out of the window and even implied to be completely wrong - thus making the whole series pointless from a storytelling point of view.

Someone needs to stick this post in the OP or in one of those "What is IT" primers as it sums things up rather succinctly.

[JesseLee202]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

So we're debating what the definition of change is? New dialogue seems like a change to me. Also, correct me if I'm wrong but it was said that future DLC would alter the ending just like Leviathan will.

And all Leviathan is doing is adding some dialogue to the end... according to BW...

So future DLC could do the same.


Dialogue doesn't essentially change what happens in the ending overall. If they say EC is it, as in, the only DLC that has to do with the ending overall. Then I am inclined to take their word for it.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...


But agree on the appearance similarities, it'd be nice to actually hear TIM or someone else mention the monolith in-game and reveal more about it. Actually, you remember that device on Aequitas? Wasn't that basically the same sort of device?

That would explain why the planet pops up randomly. As TIM you can still feel it and you are drawn to it.

That's a great interpretation! But Shepard didn't really touch the artifact there. But maybe that's amplified via the Reaper presence.

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

We're not getting a final 'wake
up' DLC. If there's anything Bioware have been consistently repeating,
it's that they don't want to be prescriptive about the ending. Just
accept it.

I wholeheartedly believe they intended Indoctrination,
but it is their artistic vision to leave it ambiguous. Just accept that
fact and it'll be easier. Stop looking for confirmation. At best we'll
get more hints. It would be awesome if I'm wrong, just don't count on
it.

=)

Seems strange to me to accept an ending as an ending that might've never actually happened.
TAKE BACK EARTH....OR MAYBE NOT!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 août 2012 - 02:31 .

[JesseLee202]

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Dialogue that does not essentially change the endings like an "Awake" DLC would...

And its the first paragraph you should be concerned about...

I'm not saying Leviathan will completely overhaul the ending, I'm saying that the statement you quoted contradicted itself.

Not my fault BW thinks adding some dialouge doesn't change the ending.

I think when you add something, you are changing it.

I was just trying to say what BW would most likely say in defense to that.

[Home run MF]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...


But agree on the appearance similarities, it'd be nice to actually hear TIM or someone else mention the monolith in-game and reveal more about it. Actually, you remember that device on Aequitas? Wasn't that basically the same sort of device?

That would explain why the planet pops up randomly. As TIM you can still feel it and you are drawn to it.

That's a great interpretation! But Shepard didn't really touch the artifact there. But maybe that's amplified via the Reaper presence.

Guys I think you're forgetting the fact that Shepard destroyed the artifact...

[GethPrimeMKII]

Each SP DLC will likely alter what the Catalyst says and allow Shepard to interrogate it more thoroughly. The altered dialogue will allow players to eventually see they are being tricked by the reapers.

Going back to my original idea. If the Leviathan DLC causes Shepard to question why the catalyst turned its creators into a monster starship, then "beings of light" DLC (name sucks I know) ought to cause Shepard to question why the catalyst chose to appear the way it does.

[CoolioThane]

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

[Leonia]

Home run MF wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

leonia42 wrote...


But agree on the appearance similarities, it'd be nice to actually hear TIM or someone else mention the monolith in-game and reveal more about it. Actually, you remember that device on Aequitas? Wasn't that basically the same sort of device?

That would explain why the planet pops up randomly. As TIM you can still feel it and you are drawn to it.

That's a great interpretation! But Shepard didn't really touch the artifact there. But maybe that's amplified via the Reaper presence.

Guys I think you're forgetting the fact that Shepard destroyed the artifact...

I'm not forgetting anything, just mentioning that it could have been a similar device to the Arca Monolith, never said Shepard touched it or interacted with it. That said, maybe it means there are more such devices hiding out there some where, leftovers from previous harvests. If dead Reapers can still indoctrinate, than left over relics could still be dangerous as well. The Aequitas one may have just been one of several.

And anyway an optional side-quest in ME2 isn't likely to have any major bearing on the overall plot but it is still interesting nonetheless.

Modifié par leonia42, 07 août 2012 - 02:44 .

[JesseLee202]

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

[CoolioThane]

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because its what they've always said...nothing is changed.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

I was listening to the Synthesis "I am alive, and I am not alone" song again and I noticed something. I may be grasping but it was pretty clear to me so here goes.

Throughout this song there is a regular *boop* noise that comes up pretty frequently. This noise immediately made me think  BEACON. As soon as I heard the sound I immediately thought of a beacon, it is just the sound that I associate with beacons.

This added noise is one of the only things that seperates the "I am alive, and I am not alone" song from the "Uncharted worlds" song (which repersents the unknown, this does not correlate with the message in Synthesis by the way). Seeing as it is basically the same song, would there be extra significance to this added sound? I thought maybe.

I am at my desk at work right now and I don't have a pair of headphones that will reach so I was wondering if someone could help me out. Could someone cross check the noise from the SYNTHESIS "I am alive and I am not alone" and see if it is the same noise the beacon makes in the REJECT ending.

If this checks out I think it would further validate Turbo's "Leviathan is testing Shepard's resiliance" theory. Why? It is clear that if Leviathan was putting Shepard through a test to see if he/she was worthy of his help then Leviathan would NOT want Shepard to either, do nothing (Reject), or side with the reapers (synthesis). Shepard must instead take action (either control or destroy, with destroy being preferable).

It was hypothesized in Turbo's theory that rejection would cause Leviathan to abandon Shepard and the cycle while Synthesis causes Leviathan to KILL Shepard. What does this mean? The cycle will FAIL. What happens when the cycle fails? They people store information in BEACONS. This beacon (please check for me) might be there in both Syntehsis, and Reject.

Deeper speculation? This would also mean that either Synthesis, or the Crucible does NOT work. The use of the Crucible would bring about undesireable effects. This would invalidate Control. But, in this theory, Shepard just needs to make a choice to act against the reapers. Whether or not the Crucible actually works would not matter because this would all just be a test from Leviathan.

Thoughts? (someone check the sound).

Edit: I may repost this sometime later when everyone is on. (fixed some grammar).

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 07 août 2012 - 03:01 .

[CoolioThane]

leonia42 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, they are also idiots.

Then all the haters are idiots?

Then I hardly think anyone can speak about certain haters being idiots. Everyone hate something...

Hate over art is stupid. 

There are elements you may dislike, but hating a work of art is stupid. Hating people is fine, though.


Oh, I'm acting like a child, Estebanus? How so? Really

Hate is never acceptable.

Not true. Hatred for certain people is necessary and important.

[RavenEyry]

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because it contradicts itself as I have tried pointing out already.

[Home run MF]

Home run MF wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Source please.

It's in the TLK files that came with one of the MP DLC. I can upload it but TSA would probably be of more help.

Actually I was wrong it's in the EC files, you can read it here

Modifié par Home run MF, 07 août 2012 - 02:59 .