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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?

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griot13 wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

griot13 wrote...

^This guy understands^ Legion also lied several times to get what Geth wanted, I think there just telling you what you wanna hear.. I will never deny varibles but people believe what they wanna believe.^_^


You're forgetting the context, Legion was lying because he thought we wouldn't understand. It's like Miranda's lack of honesty about Oriana in her loyalty mission.

"We did not doubt you. We doubted your allies." - Legion


Exactly, if I were a Geth I doubt I'd trust almost any organic, not due to dislike, but due to how the Geth are viewed and have been treated. And these aren't just any organics, they're the Quarians, and they're back to wipe the Geth out. Remember Thane's touching line "You're the first friend I've made in ten years."? Shepard is that to Legion and the Geth, but on a whole other level. He's the first non-hostile organic, and organic ally to all Geth in 300 years.

So yes, I'd trust Shepard and no one else.


I understand I'm not trying to state anything as a fact, just remember that Legion did in fact lie and was only concerned with Geth goals. I was also referring to the Geth Consensus and if they only trusted Shepard then what happens when he's gone?

Well, technically Legion did not lie because shepard never asked.
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BansheeOwnage wrote...

So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?


Why, she remembers the words of the Batarian preacher:

Sally forth! ... and blaze gloriously through the stars! Draw your weapons and fight for the Word!

:wizard:

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?


Why, she remembers the words of the Batarian preacher:

Sally forth! ... and blaze gloriously through the stars! Draw your weapons and fight for the Word!

:wizard:

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Awesome. I also love how all of us on the thread are like characters in some story. We all have our distinct traits and things people immediately associate with each other. We all have our (for lack of a better word) mini-obsessions (like your batarian preacher and my dream music.) Actually, what if...Posted Image

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?

The closer he gets to the tube, the closer he gets to breaking the hallucination i.e the Carnifex changing to the Predator. And once the tube is Destroyed, Shepard breaks through.

Or he keeps moving forward, pushing on, holding the line.

In Control Shepard drops the gun and stops moving, then grabs onto the handles for dear life. In Synthesis, Shepard takes a leap of faith unto an idea and action that the Reapers have tried to force before.

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401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?

The closer he gets to the tube, the closer he gets to breaking the hallucination i.e the Carnifex changing to the Predator. And once the tube is Destroyed, Shepard breaks through.

Or he keeps moving forward, pushing on, holding the line.

In Control Shepard drops the gun and stops moving, then grabs onto the handles for dear life. In Synthesis, Shepard takes a leap of faith unto an idea and action that the Reapers have tried to force before.

Yeah, it has to be symbolic. It's too stupid otherwise. I'll see you all later (or on xbox if you want to play). Posted Image

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BTW TIM is a reaper. )))

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 Symbolism isn't allowed in video games:lol:

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It's grasping at straws o'clock with your friendly neighbourhood Doomsday Device!

Found this in Leviathan. Chuckles.

With the whole 'conspiracy theory' vibe of the DLC, you'd almost think they did things like this on purpose:

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They should like, make an Xbox achievement for Conspiracy theo-oh wait.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 13 décembre 2012 - 03:31 .


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BansheeOwnage wrote...

Awesome. I also love how all of us on the thread are like characters in some story. We all have our distinct traits and things people immediately associate with each other. We all have our (for lack of a better word) mini-obsessions (like your batarian preacher and my dream music.) Actually, what if...Posted Image

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Mind = Bewildered

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demersel wrote...

BTW TIM is a reaper. )))

He's right. The ocean told me so.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
So... why does Shepard walk towards the tube in destroy? Bad utterly horrendous writing? Symbology? Stupidity?

The closer he gets to the tube, the closer he gets to breaking the hallucination i.e the Carnifex changing to the Predator. And once the tube is Destroyed, Shepard breaks through.

Or he keeps moving forward, pushing on, holding the line.

In Control Shepard drops the gun and stops moving, then grabs onto the handles for dear life. In Synthesis, Shepard takes a leap of faith unto an idea and action that the Reapers have tried to force before.

Yeah, it has to be symbolic. It's too stupid otherwise. I'll see you all later (or on xbox if you want to play). Posted Image

Curse you TimeZones!! I have to go to bed.

Goodbye then.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The problem is not with the Geth, it's with the Reapers messing with synthetics to cause problems. It's one of the arguments I used. It's another recurring theme.

But it is also a closed chapter after Legion is gone. Despite the upgrades, the geth came back from "indoctrination" (something no organic (**) has done... yet) and the Reapers can't do a thing besides trying to sweet-talk them, something the geth happily ignore.

IOW, I believe Legion's upload and sacrifice acts like inoculation. The Zha'til never had that advantage.

(**) The Thorian victims resist Reaper indoctrination. Another example of inoculation.

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BansheeOwnage wrote...

I also love how all of us on the thread are like characters in some story. We all have our distinct traits and things people immediately associate with each other. We all have our (for lack of a better word) mini-obsessions (like your batarian preacher and my dream music.) Actually, what if...Posted Image

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lol

You're right. We're quirky characters. I actually envision Rif as a badger, for example. :lol:

For the 21st of December, I'm going to make a proper Doomsday thread.
Going all Batarian Preacher on the asses of the masses of BSN. :devil:

REPENT! IT IS NIGH!

HARBINGER'S DAY OF RECKONING IS COMING!

YOU THERE, WITH THAT SYNTHESIS BANNER!

YOU ARE A BLIGHT!

REPENT AND RESTORE YOUR SOUL TO GLORY!

REPENT WITH FIRE, OIL AND GUN!

:o

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Someone should swap Shepard's LI's model in the romance scene with Synthehusk, then post that in the Synthesis support thread Posted Image

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Cyberfrog81 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The problem is not with the Geth, it's with the Reapers messing with synthetics to cause problems. It's one of the arguments I used. It's another recurring theme.

But it is also a closed chapter after Legion is gone. Despite the upgrades, the geth came back from "indoctrination" (something no organic (**) has done... yet) and the Reapers can't do a thing besides trying to sweet-talk them, something the geth happily ignore.

IOW, I believe Legion's upload and sacrifice acts like inoculation. The Zha'til never had that advantage.

(**) The Thorian victims resist Reaper indoctrination. Another example of inoculation.


Indoctrination isnt something one can ever bounce back from. I understand where Doomsday is coming from, but IMO the geth are well worth the risk. 

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BansheeOwnage wrote...
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Worst realistic game ever. Whoever designed me needs to be put down, and I demand new perks.

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I had to "brainwash" my PC. Posted Image

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
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Worst realistic game ever. Whoever designed me needs to be put down, and I demand new perks.


What's wrong with the perks you have?

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Cyberfrog81 wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

The problem is not with the Geth, it's with the Reapers messing with synthetics to cause problems. It's one of the arguments I used. It's another recurring theme.

But it is also a closed chapter after Legion is gone. Despite the upgrades, the geth came back from "indoctrination" (something no organic (**) has done... yet) and the Reapers can't do a thing besides trying to sweet-talk them, something the geth happily ignore.

IOW, I believe Legion's upload and sacrifice acts like inoculation. The Zha'til never had that advantage.

(**) The Thorian victims resist Reaper indoctrination. Another example of inoculation.


Not sure if you read the entire debate from the beginning... my point was along the lines of 'maybe this could bite us in the derrière in a next game'.

Just for the record - I'm not saying I'm sure. The parallels seem noticeable enough to me. Food for thought.

Just don't say nobody warned you when Tali suddenly turns into something horrifying right in front of your eyes. :devil:

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 13 décembre 2012 - 03:46 .


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Whenever I get my custom avatar working, it's going to be this:

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BleedingUranium wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...
What if we are characters? Posted ImagePosted Image

Worst realistic game ever. Whoever designed me needs to be put down, and I demand new perks.


What's wrong with the perks you have?


Annnnnnnnnnnd my head is so far in the gutter at this point... :whistle:


AND WE ARE SO CHARACTERS... and all the world's a stage... and the leaked TIM confrontation script gave us a role to play called capitalized YOU and darn it, then it had to get leaked. Waaaah. (We still totes have a role to play, because we're roleplayers. I r su eloquent tonitez).

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Whenever I get my custom avatar working, it's going to be this:

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Why can't you get it working?

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Someone should swap Shepard's LI's model in the romance scene with Synthehusk, then post that in the Synthesis support thread Posted Image


That would be the most epic troll ever. Not that I approve of such things, oh no. It's a hilarious idea, nonetheless.

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paxxton wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Whenever I get my custom avatar working, it's going to be this:

Why can't you get it working?


...canyouteachmeyourmagicways...?

I always thought I had to register DA to do it or something... which I would... if I could find my darn key...