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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

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Yeah, sorry for posting pre-EC info, but I think I got the memo now: I was inexcusably wrong.

Yes, shame on you! How could you commit such an atrocity :o


no other choice, here´s your katana, Seppuku time
remember It´s better to die with honor than becoming a synthetysed slave


You might want to give him a Tanto instead of a Katana as commiting Seppuku with a Katana would be extremely hard to pull of due to the length of the blade:whistle:


I´m sorry i thought he would´ve wanted to die like a man, with the sword that accompanied him throught his travels around Japan, not with a knife he bought in IKEA

P.D: i totally forgot the name of the small sword, mostly because the animes i watch subtitles it to "ninja sword"
P.D.D: now that i think about it, it would fit better with a Omni-blade

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Raistlin Majare 1992

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Fur28 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yeah, sorry for posting pre-EC info, but I think I got the memo now: I was inexcusably wrong.

Yes, shame on you! How could you commit such an atrocity :o


no other choice, here´s your katana, Seppuku time
remember It´s better to die with honor than becoming a synthetysed slave


You might want to give him a Tanto instead of a Katana as commiting Seppuku with a Katana would be extremely hard to pull of due to the length of the blade:whistle:


I´m sorry i thought he would´ve wanted to die like a man, with the sword that accompanied him throught his travels around Japan, not with a knife he bought in IKEA

P.D: i totally forgot the name of the small sword, mostly because the animes i watch subtitles it to "ninja sword"
P.D.D: now that i think about it, it would fit better with a Omni-blade


If the length is a problem he can use a Wakizashi instead, it is short enough to be properly wielded for Seppuku and also served as the secondary weapon for most Samurai, making it a fitting weapon for any self respecting warrior.

Fittingly enough with your fist P.D a Wakizashi is also commonly famous as the sword Ninja used (when they used a sword) even if it was originally carried by Samurai. Its shorter length made it more suited for indoor  and close quarter combat which is where the Ninja would most often have to fight. It was also for these situations a Samurai usualy carried a Wakizashi.

As for an Omniblade...I imagine that could be quite problematic, with the blade extending forward as it does.  Might need to reshape it a bit for easier cutting along your own stomach.

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Can we somehow be friends with BioWare. Just like "Hey BioWare, hows the job?" and BioWare is all like "Yeah pretty good dude, working on some cool DLC" - Oh yeah? What DLC? "oh just some indoctrination theory DLC, shhh it's a secret. "Oh awesome! You are awesome"

"hugs bioware" "Bioware feels all happy cos of friendship and love and everyone loves eachother

the end.

Shepard has ababy.

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Rifneno wrote...

My favorite EC scene was the one where a Reaper capital ship grabs a cruiser or something in its tentacles and just starts slowly crushing it. What, was it out of ammo? In what circumstance was grabbing it and crushing it the safest and most efficient method to destroy it?


LOL, I think when I saw that (especially after the normandy evac scene) I just realized that Bioware didn't really care. They threw EC together to shut people up. Then I saw the slide shows and....still... a breath scene.

Still though, my vote for the most forced and contrived scene in the series is the evac scene. I mean seriously! Starkid takes a close second with all his prattle about creator vs created.
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StElmo wrote...

Can we somehow be friends with BioWare. Just like "Hey BioWare, hows the job?" and BioWare is all like "Yeah pretty good dude, working on some cool DLC" - Oh yeah? What DLC? "oh just some indoctrination theory DLC, shhh it's a secret. "Oh awesome! You are awesome"

"hugs bioware" "Bioware feels all happy cos of friendship and love and everyone loves eachother

the end.

Shepard has ababy.


"You, me, growing old together and alot of blue kids" - Shepard.

God, that single line makes me want to see their blue kids. I would give so much to have a epilouge scene of Shepard sitting on one of the benches at the entrance to Huerta Memorial Hospital (or any hospital) have a nurse come get him with a smile and then see Shepard stepping into a hosptial room to find Liara and a little blue baby lying in the bed.

Wouldnt have to more than a a minute or two in length, but it would be all the epilogue I would need for my Shepard.

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Ithurael wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

My favorite EC scene was the one where a Reaper capital ship grabs a cruiser or something in its tentacles and just starts slowly crushing it. What, was it out of ammo? In what circumstance was grabbing it and crushing it the safest and most efficient method to destroy it?


LOL, I think when I saw that (especially after the normandy evac scene) I just realized that Bioware didn't really care. They threw EC together to shut people up. Then I saw the slide shows and....still... a breath scene.

Still though, my vote for the most forced and contrived scene in the series is the evac scene. I mean seriously! Starkid takes a close second with all his prattle about creator vs created.
:wizard:


Oh yeah the amount of things wrong with the Normandy evac scene is staggering. Everyone in that scene is out of character including Shepard no matter how Paragon you might have played him/her.I mean the person who led what was called a litteral suicide mission against the Collectors is sending his squad away at the most critical moment of the war?

EDI also has nothing to fear in that entire run, her true body beeing the Normandy. Hell her EVA body has better odds than anyone else on that run considering how durable it is.

And Javik...do i even have to say anything more?

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Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

StElmo wrote...

Can we somehow be friends with BioWare. Just like "Hey BioWare, hows the job?" and BioWare is all like "Yeah pretty good dude, working on some cool DLC" - Oh yeah? What DLC? "oh just some indoctrination theory DLC, shhh it's a secret. "Oh awesome! You are awesome"

"hugs bioware" "Bioware feels all happy cos of friendship and love and everyone loves eachother

the end.

Shepard has ababy.


"You, me, growing old together and alot of blue kids" - Shepard.

God, that single line makes me want to see their blue kids. I would give so much to have a epilouge scene of Shepard sitting on one of the benches at the entrance to Huerta Memorial Hospital 8or any hospital) have a nurse come get him with a smile and then see Shepard stepping into a hosptial room to find Liara and a little blue baby lying in the bed.

Wouldnt have to more than a a minute or two in length, but it would be all the epilogue I would need for my Shepard.

and bioware wonder why we're cheezed off at the endings as they stand at the moment.  Where is the closure / payoff?  There is nothing.....only indoctrination.  Slide shows?  thats a copout.

Personally for my Shep & Tali to actually settle down would be great.  No more conflict.  No more reapers.  They can settle down and have little kiddies and then everything is ok in the ME universe.     

What we got was a b---hslap.

Even him dying would have given us some closure.

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Restrider wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

My favorite EC scene was the one where a Reaper capital ship grabs a cruiser or something in its tentacles and just starts slowly crushing it. What, was it out of ammo? In what circumstance was grabbing it and crushing it the safest and most efficient method to destroy it?

Rule of cool, man- rule of cool...
It's the Reaper analogue to a headbutting krogan I guess.
Edit: And since I am on top, I will shamelessly promote my IT-Flavour poll!

It was basically analogous to
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Restrider wrote...

I will shamelessly promote my IT-Flavour poll!

Oh, thanks - forgot to vote.
Done :)

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By the way, this is a great thread. Lot's of great input. I'll share and say that it's "interesting" that the Bioware team continues to have"no comment" on the Indoctrination Theory. I understand the extended cut leads us to think that was THE ending but it just didn't feel like a grand "Mass Effect ending". I'm anxious to hear what this next DLC will be.

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Financially it makes absolutely no sense for Bioware not to do any post-end DLC. It's what people want, no? Would it not make money? EA and Bioware are a business with the sole purpose of making more money than they spend.

ME3 has generated so much talk and opinions that I see no reason not to cash in with all the hype. And if they will ever do one, it will be the last, no? The grande finale.

I just hope Shepard won't have to face the same fate that The Warden did in Dragon Age series. The most important character of all Thedas almost completely forgotten in DA2...

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ChrisFabC wrote...
I'll share and say that it's "interesting" that the Bioware team continues to have"no comment" on the Indoctrination Theory...


One day, Bioware - the developers, the writers, the moderators - will open up, and talk to everyone, discuss everything - the entire story.  I get the feeling they're itching to do just that, but the Mass Effect 3 story isn't over yet.  Until all the planned DLC has been released, they're going to keep quiet.

Does anyone else imagine staff at Bioware watching fans talking on the forums, watching our theorising and speculating and saying "...go on!  Go on!  You're SO CLOSE!  You've almost got it!"

I wonder just how many things we've picked up on that Bioware actually intended, and how much surprised them.  Until they talk, we'll never know.  :(

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StElmo wrote...

Can we somehow be friends with BioWare. Just like "Hey BioWare, hows the job?" and BioWare is all like "Yeah pretty good dude, working on some cool DLC" - Oh yeah? What DLC? "oh just some indoctrination theory DLC, shhh it's a secret. "Oh awesome! You are awesome"

"hugs bioware" "Bioware feels all happy cos of friendship and love and everyone loves eachother

the end.

Shepard has ababy.


Hell Yes!

ChrisFabC wrote...

By the way, this is a great thread. Lot's of great input. I'll share and say that it's "interesting" that the Bioware team continues to have"no comment" on the Indoctrination Theory. I understand the extended cut leads us to think that was THE ending but it just didn't feel like a grand "Mass Effect ending". I'm anxious to hear what this next DLC will be.


I believe it's the longest one two. The other ones were shut down around 2000, 2200...

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Anyone feel like reading some IT fanfic? It's not that long, I promise. And I split it into chapters so you don't have to read it all at once.. But there are only 3 chapters lol.

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ChrisFabC wrote...

By the way, this is a great thread. Lot's of great input. I'll share and say that it's "interesting" that the Bioware team continues to have"no comment" on the Indoctrination Theory. I understand the extended cut leads us to think that was THE ending but it just didn't feel like a grand "Mass Effect ending". I'm anxious to hear what this next DLC will be.

I can understand why they would've wanted specualtions originally. It sells DLC. It's just odd that they refuse to talk about the controversy in any way. The entirety of their damage control has been vague statements, mostly from people not in the know anyway along with a good dose of 'if we don't look at it it might go away'

Whether they had a long term plan or not it's the worst case of damage control I've ever witnessed.

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their quality control (and yes customer satisfaction is a part of quality control) just got up and chucked itself out the window taking the majority of reviewers brains along with it.

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Hmmm ... when I level this Turian engineer now, I'll have a 6/6/6/6/6 über-engineer and still 28 skillpoints left ... hmmm ...


@Jade8aby88:
Create a blog and post the link :)


dorktainian wrote...

"quality control"

After playing Omega, I think there's no such thing ...

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Forgive my ignorance, but one of the main reasons for people not liking the ending was the perceived "lack of choice" which this series is based upon. Is it true that the "lack of choice" can be partially explained with the indoctrination theory?

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magnetite wrote...

Forgive my ignorance, but one of the main reasons for people not liking the ending was the perceived "lack of choice" which this series is based upon. Is it true that the "lack of choice" can be partially explained with the indoctrination theory?

theres so much more wrong with it.  the ending is the 'icing on the pile of poop' as it were.

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magnetite wrote...

Forgive my ignorance, but one of the main reasons for people not liking the ending was the perceived "lack of choice" which this series is based upon. Is it true that the "lack of choice" can be partially explained with the indoctrination theory?


Less 'lack of choice' and more 'lack of any relivence to the rest of the trilogy'.

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magnetite wrote...

Forgive my ignorance, but one of the main reasons for people not liking the ending was the perceived "lack of choice" which this series is based upon. Is it true that the "lack of choice" can be partially explained with the indoctrination theory?


That's how I always interepreted IT... But only at the end in the decission chamber where techincally, acording to IT (and even litteraly), you only have one choice. The other two choices besides destroy are the catalyst/reapers trying to manipulate you into going against your, your squad, your friends, and the rest of the galaxy's morals and goals from the past 2.9 games.

I always assumed that Shep's lack of argument was due to exhaustion and by the reapers attempting to manipulate his thoughts.

In some ways, I'm fine with there being a correct choice and a wrong choice... It worked for ME2 when you upgraded the Normandy and assigned roles to your squad. Chose wrong and live with the consequences... Made the suicide mission much more thrilling when there were wrong choices to make XD

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acidic-ph0 wrote...
In some ways, I'm fine with there being a correct choice and a wrong choice... It worked for ME2 when you upgraded the Normandy and assigned roles to your squad. Chose wrong and live with the consequences... Made the suicide mission much more thrilling when there were wrong choices to make XD


Especially when you don't read a guide, and don't realise Thane is a bad choice for the infilitrator.  Despite, you know, being an infilitrator.  Or not realising the only real way to keep Mordin alive is to send him back to the ship with the crew.  How the heck would anyone know that?

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Andromidius wrote...

acidic-ph0 wrote...
In some ways, I'm fine with there being a correct choice and a wrong choice... It worked for ME2 when you upgraded the Normandy and assigned roles to your squad. Chose wrong and live with the consequences... Made the suicide mission much more thrilling when there were wrong choices to make XD


Especially when you don't read a guide, and don't realise Thane is a bad choice for the infilitrator.  Despite, you know, being an infilitrator.  Or not realising the only real way to keep Mordin alive is to send him back to the ship with the crew.  How the heck would anyone know that?


I dont know about you, but I was never in doubt I needed a tech expert heading through the tunnels. I dont remember the exact dialogue, but I never, ever messed up that choice.

I will say though that I felt we lacked a place where something heavy which can take alot of punishment (like grunt) or a sniper was needed.

Also it is perfectly possible to not send Mordin back with the crew and have him survive. Just dont take Garrus and Grunt with you when you head on...for maximum security, take Mordin himself with you.

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