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[JesseLee202]

CoolioThane wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because its what they've always said...nothing is changed.

And the fact that what they are saying is, no ending related DLC is coming... such as "Awake" DLC... doesn't phase you at all... 

They stated that little fact so many places and I bet you're just gonna go with the "They lie" reasoning.

[Dr JaMiN]

CoolioThane wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

No, they are also idiots.

Then all the haters are idiots?

Then I hardly think anyone can speak about certain haters being idiots. Everyone hate something...

Hate over art is stupid. 

There are elements you may dislike, but hating a work of art is stupid. Hating people is fine, though.


Oh, I'm acting like a child, Estebanus? How so? Really

Hate is never acceptable.

Not true. Hatred for certain people is necessary and important.

It is necessary in cases like Westboro Baptist Church protesting soldier funerals, but right now we're all just discussing the ending of a video game. Even if certain people are being complete turds about it, throwing hate back at them will only create more hatred. It's an endless cycle, but we can break it, and isn't that what we stand for?

[Dr JaMiN]

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because its what they've always said...nothing is changed.

And the fact that what they are saying is, no ending related DLC is coming... such as "Awake" DLC... doesn't phase you at all... 

They stated that little fact so many places and I bet you're just gonna go with the "They lie" reasoning.

Okay, how is what they said a fact? None of us truly know what the future holds for ME3, and Bioware seems to flip flop at every chance they get. You cannot simply deny the 'They lie" reasoning, it is part of the thinking process. Every thing that is in the ending was put there for a reason, and everything they say was fully thought out beforehand. Their past statements are either complete lies, or signs of things to come.

[CoolioThane]

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because its what they've always said...nothing is changed.

And the fact that what they are saying is, no ending related DLC is coming... such as "Awake" DLC... doesn't phase you at all... 

They stated that little fact so many places and I bet you're just gonna go with the "They lie" reasoning.

Well yes they do lie, but as we've been trying to say (and you've ignored) they contradict themselves in the next paragraph.

Does that not phase you?

I don't phase when I am pretty sure I'm right

[JesseLee202]

RavenEyry wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

We have heard it all before Jesse, it changes nothing.

Really? How does it change nothing?

Because it contradicts itself as I have tried pointing out already.

CoolioThane wrote...

Well yes they do lie, but as we've been trying to say (and you've ignored) they contradict themselves in the next paragraph.

Does that not phase you?

I don't phase when I am pretty sure I'm right

 

It does not contadict itself.

BW just has a different definition of "change" and "add".  When they say endings, they mean endings overall... Adding Dialogue with the starbrat does not change what happens after you make the decision.

Home run MF wrote...
Actually I was wrong it's in the EC files, you can read it here

 

Notice how the conversation still ends in the same manner?

It will still end with the same 3 4 choices, just like it did with the EC.

Modifié par JesseLee202, 07 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[Home run MF]

JesseLee202 wrote...

Home run MF wrote...
Actually I was wrong it's in the EC files, you can read it here

 

Notice how the conversation still ends in the same manner?

It will still end with the same 3 4 choices, just like it did with the EC.

Do you realize this is a test draft and possibly a deliberate leak to keep us speculating right?

Modifié par Home run MF, 07 août 2012 - 03:16 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

Thane. The reason many people are scared off from the IT theory is getting yelled at when they come in here. Not everyone is going to agree, and there are many branches of the IT theory and people in here also may not agree with. You should be constructive instead of destructive and then maybe people will start warming up to the theory. The way you are going about it isn't great. I wont argue that some people are too hard headed to listen, but if that's the case, ignore them and they will leave.

So instead of wasting time arguing, why don't you go back a page and speculate on some of the new stuff that I brought up. After all that is the purpose of the thread.

[TSA_383]

Home run MF wrote...

Home run MF wrote...

JesseLee202 wrote...

Source please.

It's in the TLK files that came with one of the MP DLC. I can upload it but TSA would probably be of more help.

Actually I was wrong it's in the EC files, you can read it here

Okay, HOW ON EARTH do people not get that the catalyst is trying to trick you into siding with the reapers through synthesis.

A short collection of quotes:

 <data>A species that recognized the conflict that constantly arose between synthetics and organics.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748458</id>
  <position>25</position>
  <data>I calculated. I planned. I evolved new ways to prevent and mitigate the conflict. But in the end, only one solution that allowed organics and synthetics to coexist.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748459</id>
  <position>26</position>
  <data>Correct again. It was they who first recognize the conflict that persists between synthetics and organics. It was they who sought the solution.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748460</id>
  <position>27</position>
  <data>I was created to oversee the relations between synthetic and organic life.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748461</id>
  <position>28</position>
  <data>Even still, our efforts ended in conflict. So a new solution was required.</data>

 <data>Yes and no. The Reapers are a synthetic representation of the ones who created us.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748464</id>
  <position>31</position>
  <data>And they became the first to be harvested. Though they fought us... it was the only solution.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748465</id>
  <position>32</position>
  <data>It is the only solution that maintains the balance and the directive.</data>

 <data>I was designed to control synthetics, and protect and preserve organic life.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748486</id>
  <position>53</position>
  <data>To this day, it remains my primary purpose.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748487</id>
  <position>54</position>
  <data>We required their harvesting to create the first Reaper. To enforce and enact on the solution I created.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748488</id>
  <position>55</position>
  <data>The first Reaper. In this cycle, amongst your kind, it is known as Harbinger.</data>

 <data>We have tried... a similar solution in the past. Several cycles ago.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748545</id>
  <position>112</position>
  <data>But it has always failed.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748546</id>
  <position>113</position>
  <data>Because the organics have been unwilling. It is not something that can be... forced.</data>
  </string>
- <string>
  <id>748547</id>
  <position>114</position>
  <data>You must choose it. For all of us.</data>

I mean COME ON people!

[GethPrimeMKII]

I'm still trying to figure out why people like the literal endings. If you really think about it, each ending choice completely trivializes the story and it's themes.

[Chriz Tah Fah]

TSA. It is as if the allies caught Hitler and then he said, "I was just killing all the Jews because turning them into Aryans didn't work! It can't be forced! They must choose to become Aryans for it to work!"

uh...what?

Edit: It may be in poor taste but the context is there. Nobody would say "OH, ok, Hitler I didn't get it but it really is a good idea! Let him go boys!" No, you would still kill him and that is exactly what Shepard should do. Kill the reapers.

Modifié par Chriz Tah Fah, 07 août 2012 - 03:28 .

[KneeTheCap]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

I'm still trying to figure out why people like the literal endings. If you really think about it, each ending choice completely trivializes the story and it's themes.

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

[Arashi08]

Hi everyone! my PC was out of commission for a day. Did I miss anything interesting?

[pseudonymic]

KneeTheCap wrote...

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

i second that. i watched a friend going through ME3, and he basically turned on auto-dialog and auto-level up, which basically makes the game a shooter. he didn't care to do any side missions and was just content with getting through the game to say he played it. people who aren't passionate about the game aren't going to really care that much.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

pseudonymic wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

i second that. i watched a friend going through ME3, and he basically turned on auto-dialog and auto-level up, which basically makes the game a shooter. he didn't care to do any side missions and was just content with getting through the game to say he played it. people who aren't passionate about the game aren't going to really care that much.

I'm balking in horror as I read this I just..
Why... ? Wh...

[TSA_383]

pseudonymic wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

i second that. i watched a friend going through ME3, and he basically turned on auto-dialog and auto-level up, which basically makes the game a shooter. he didn't care to do any side missions and was just content with getting through the game to say he played it. people who aren't passionate about the game aren't going to really care that much.

Don't tell me he shot Mordin too.

Chriz Tah Fah wrote...

TSA. It is as if the allies caught Hitler and then he said, "I was just killing all the Jews because turning them into Aryans didn't work! It can't be forced! They must choose to become Aryans for it to work!"

uh...what?

Edit: It may be in poor taste but the context is there. Nobody would say "OH, ok, Hitler I didn't get it but it really is a good idea! Let him go boys!" No, you would still kill him and that is exactly what Shepard should do. Kill the reapers.

 
Well exactly.
Barring a recent lobotomy, who exactly would trust the "catalyst" after that exchange I've just linked?

[Home run MF]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

i second that. i watched a friend going through ME3, and he basically turned on auto-dialog and auto-level up, which basically makes the game a shooter. he didn't care to do any side missions and was just content with getting through the game to say he played it. people who aren't passionate about the game aren't going to really care that much.

I'm balking in horror as I read this I just..
Why... ? Wh...

Like buying a car without a gear box. NERF all the fun

[CoolioThane]

I'm not allowed to explain why I think someone is wrong? How am I shouting at Jesse, when all I'm doing is answering his questions despite the dismissal of "They lie" ?

It seems you have to conform to a certain way of posting on this thread and if you're your own person you are doing it wrong. I'm here to stay, deal with it.

[MaximizedAction]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

pseudonymic wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

I think that majority of gamers do not actually -think- that much. They do not either see or want to see behind the surface of games, their stories or their themes. They just take what they see. Now if one is to tell them that their vision is wrong or not entirely correct, they will get defensive.

And bear in mind video game industry is still quite young. Some gamers may still look at games and think that their stories are not on par with movies or books.

But that's just my opinion, and I did not intend to offend anyone. Please take no offense.

i second that. i watched a friend going through ME3, and he basically turned on auto-dialog and auto-level up, which basically makes the game a shooter. he didn't care to do any side missions and was just content with getting through the game to say he played it. people who aren't passionate about the game aren't going to really care that much.

I'm balking in horror as I read this I just..
Why... ? Wh...

Get a grip of reality!
What do you think happened to pop music over time? Sell more stuff to more people is the ultimate goal of every business guy, some do it the smart way, some don't.

And if they decided to market ME3 the way the did, that's also the type of customer they are going to reach. I don't care if a CoD or GoW fanboy wants to play ME3, I only care about the pressure The powers that be might've put on the produces of ME3 to produce an egg-laying jackrabbit mule to appeal to all kinds of audiences.

But who knows what Bioware's target audiences was with ME3, because that ending didn't satisfy any of them.

Edit: well, it did satisfy some players...but according to my observations that requires putting not the attention to the ending it needs to be fully comprehended.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 07 août 2012 - 04:02 .

[Chriz Tah Fah]

It isn't that you can't be your own person, it's that people shouldn't go around hating on others. I am not trying to pick on you specifically but on top of Heretic_Hanar yesterday I think it needed to be said. Sure he may be a troll but if that's the case he should just be ignored. Anyone who responds to a new person here is one of the many faces of the entire IT. If you come across as mean then how do you think it makes the rest of us look?

If I didn't believe in the IT and I came in sometime in between your argument with Hanar, I probably would have left and declared ALL IT people crazy. But, if we always act pleasant then people would feel more invited.

[KneeTheCap]

Okay, let's play with the idea that the catalyst actually is there and all, then why does it say "I know you thought about destroying us". Us? If the catalyst is what it claims to be, it's not in any danger? "Us" makes no sense at all...

[TSA_383]

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, let's play with the idea that the catalyst actually is there and all, then why does it say "I know you thought about destroying us". Us? If the catalyst is what it claims to be, it's not in any danger? "Us" makes no sense at all...

Read the pastebin and my quoted sections above - it doesn't claim to be truly seperate from the reapers at all - it IS the reapers.

Which makes it all the more perplexing that people trust it.

[Schachmatt123]

TSA_383 wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, let's play with the idea that the catalyst actually is there and all, then why does it say "I know you thought about destroying us". Us? If the catalyst is what it claims to be, it's not in any danger? "Us" makes no sense at all...

Read the pastebin and my quoted sections above - it doesn't claim to be truly seperate from the reapers at all - it IS the reapers.

Which makes it all the more perplexing that people trust it.

But my dear TSA_383, we attached a huge battery, it changes everything! Don't you get it? This amazing device, appearing suddenly out of nothing mars-dust, it completely wipe away billion years of harvesting. How dare you don't trust it him.

[RavenEyry]

TSA_383 wrote...

Read the pastebin and my quoted sections above - it doesn't claim to be truly seperate from the reapers at all - it IS the reapers.

Which makes it all the more perplexing that people trust it.

Actually sometimes it says it's different and sometimes says it is a reaper, which is even more suspicious.

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

KneeTheCap wrote...

Okay, let's play with the idea that the catalyst actually is there and all, then why does it say "I know you thought about destroying us". Us? If the catalyst is what it claims to be, it's not in any danger? "Us" makes no sense at all...

Read the pastebin and my quoted sections above - it doesn't claim to be truly seperate from the reapers at all - it IS the reapers.

Which makes it all the more perplexing that people trust it.

But it looks like a kid...don't you trust kids?

[Leonia]

Sure, I always trust kids that burn in my dreams. Doesn't everybody?

The Catalyst sure does sound a bit confused about its own identity given how it quickly switches between pronouns, dude needs to make up its mind.