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[KyreneZA]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Don't mind him, it's what he does.

And what is it that you do (apart from being miserable and often beligerent, grinding axes, and generally negative) here these days, Megumi? I used to see you as one of the checks and balances in this thread, but I have to really wonder nowadays...

[dorktainian]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Babylon 5?

I don't watch the show, so I wouldn't know.

Either way, interesting observation, I approve.

At one point Delenn is sent for interogation by one of the vorlons agents (jack the ripper) to see if she is adequate for the vorlons trust.

The question he repeats is 'Who are you?'  she finds she cannot answer him and he begins to torture her.


"Unacceptable! What a sad thing you are. Unable to answer even such a simple question without falling back on references, and genealogies and what other people call you. Have you nothing of your own? Nothing to stand on that is not provided, defined, delineated, stamped, sanctioned, numbered, and approved by others? How can you expected to fight for someone else when you haven't the fairest idea who you are?"     

When delenn is nearing death, Sheridan enters and is also interogated.

"Are you willing to die friendless, alone, deserted by everyone? Because that's what may be required of you in the war that is to come.What about the people you work with, the people you call friends? Are you willing to sacrifice them? What about your family, what about your God, what about truth, what about blood, what about right, what about wrong, what about your future, what about faith, what about sin, what about hell, what about death, what about life?"       

"This body is only a shell. You can not touch me. You can not harm me. I'm not afraid."


It's all about the power of the individual.  Kosh is making sure that what they do, they do for the right reasons and are prepared to sacrifice everything they are in order to achieve it.  Do whatever is necessary.   

This is imo John Shepard.  He had the courage in the beginning to destroy the reapers, but surely over time that courage has been withering away (dreams) until in the final dream...he accepts it.  He has lost control of himself in the end..is his will strong enough to follow out his actual objective?

No it's not about the power of an individual. The question "Who are you?" is answered by Delenn's "THIS BODY is only a shell. You can not touch ME. You can not harm ME. I AM not afraid."
As opposed to name etc that is nothing that is given, but is describing her person. She also makes the distinction between the body and herself. It is the certainty of herself and her purpose. The same goes for Sheridan, and while we are at it: while Sheridan's purpose was to stop the Shadows by sacrificing himself if necessary, which he did, and still later on he did NOT chose to destroy them.
It's the same for Shepard. It only in opt out where Shepard can't make a decision where she would fail the test. It's all there in the naming "opt out".

ok was trying to form an analogy with shep.  failed miserably.

[MegumiAzusa]

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider well to be Honest Jacob is just there.

You could say that goes for a few other squadmates, but his story was just meh. I think Jacob is okay, but really he just sucks in combat, and for Fem Shepard story wise ya.... He really hit the low for Fem Shepard. Not to mention he is useless, well almost useless in the suicide mission.

Just there? From a ME2 standpoint He is often used to establish connections, but so is Mordin. Jacob has his sense of morality because of his father and all that is crashing down when he learns the truth. Also his connection to Miranda and other minor details is often shown. Mordin instead, who is loved by many, is just "I reinvented the Genophage, if you don't like it we have nothing else to discuss". It is ME3 where he for the first time shows that he thought about the Genophage and decided it was a mistake. He never did that in ME2. You only needed one conversation with him to basically know everything there is to know.

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider well to be Honest Jacob is just there.

You could say that goes for a few other squadmates, but his story was just meh. I think Jacob is okay, but really he just sucks in combat, and for Fem Shepard story wise ya.... He really hit the low for Fem Shepard. Not to mention he is useless, well almost useless in the suicide mission.

Tali about Jacob: link

[TheProtheans]

hukbum wrote...

TheProtheans wrote...

It is the only thing that makes the most sense.

Be carefull, or you'll end up as an ITer

Doubtful, IT was more plausible back in march and april than it is now and even then I never really viewed it as something Bioware intended.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Has nothing to do with positivity. I usually just point out that there is something wrong. Though it's already established you like to think of me that way because of something I actually never did. I guess it's because you cannot accept the fact someone having valid arguments that IT isn't the only viable interpretation.

You insulted me twice in a row for no reason. Pretending you didn't do it doesn't change that.

Never denied it and can't say if it's true or not without you pointing me to where I did it.
It wasn't insults you said I did, just check the pages for yesterday or the day before where I commented on and you nicely ignored it.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider well to be Honest Jacob is just there.

You could say that goes for a few other squadmates, but his story was just meh. I think Jacob is okay, but really he just sucks in combat, and for Fem Shepard story wise ya.... He really hit the low for Fem Shepard. Not to mention he is useless, well almost useless in the suicide mission.

Just there? From a ME2 standpoint He is often used to establish connections, but so is Mordin. Jacob has his sense of morality because of his father and all that is crashing down when he learns the truth. Also his connection to Miranda and other minor details is often shown. Mordin instead, who is loved by many, is just "I reinvented the Genophage, if you don't like it we have nothing else to discuss". It is ME3 where he for the first time shows that he thought about the Genophage and decided it was a mistake. He never did that in ME2. You only needed one conversation with him to basically know everything there is to know.

Someone wasn't paying attention...

[MegumiAzusa]

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Has nothing to do with positivity. I usually just point out that there is something wrong. Though it's already established you like to think of me that way because of something I actually never did. I guess it's because you cannot accept the fact someone having valid arguments that IT isn't the only viable interpretation.

Except most of the time it is just you getting **** wrong and then acting as if you're right before ignoring any counter and moving onto the next thing someone says for you to say "HERP, I'm biatch"

Except that most of the time I'm not.

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Has nothing to do with positivity. I usually just point out that there is something wrong. Though it's already established you like to think of me that way because of something I actually never did. I guess it's because you cannot accept the fact someone having valid arguments that IT isn't the only viable interpretation.

Except most of the time it is just you getting **** wrong and then acting as if you're right before ignoring any counter and moving onto the next thing someone says for you to say "HERP, I'm biatch"

Except that most of the time I'm not.

Actaully... you are 

[Restrider]

Yeah, and you totally forget the dialogue where Mordin states that he ran the clinic on Omega as a way to atone to his doings - showing that he has an internal struggle to justify his actions for himself.
Followed by the dialogue in his loyalty mission.

Edit: To say it short:

BleedingUranium wrote...
Someone wasn't paying attention...

Modifié par Restrider, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[MegumiAzusa]

Kyrene wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Don't mind him, it's what he does.

And what is it that you do (apart from being miserable and often beligerent, grinding axes, and generally negative) here these days, Megumi? I used to see you as one of the checks and balances in this thread, but I have to really wonder nowadays...

Well let me think, I point out a flaw, get immediately called names and being negative. Trying to explain my points, same arguments and insults 24/7.
It's not just one side creating these bad vibes here.

[RavenEyry]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Never denied it and can't say if it's true or not without you pointing me to where I did it.
It wasn't insults you said I did, just check the pages for yesterday or the day before where I commented on and you nicely ignored it.

Yeah, cos I was still pissed and thought ignoring you would be better than getting in another argument.

[RavenEyry]

Restrider wrote...

Yeah, and you totally forget the dialogue where Mordin states that he ran the clinic on Omega as a way to atone to his doings - showing that he has an internal struggle to justify his actions for himself.
Followed by the dialogue in his loyalty mission.

And when he talks about it being the right decision,he sounds more like he's justifying it to himself instead of Shepard.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...


Has nothing to do with positivity. I usually just point out that there is something wrong. Though it's already established you like to think of me that way because of something I actually never did. I guess it's because you cannot accept the fact someone having valid arguments that IT isn't the only viable interpretation.

Except most of the time it is just you getting **** wrong and then acting as if you're right before ignoring any counter and moving onto the next thing someone says for you to say "HERP, I'm biatch"

Except that most of the time I'm not.

I like your ignorance. It's hilare

[MegumiAzusa]

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider well to be Honest Jacob is just there.

You could say that goes for a few other squadmates, but his story was just meh. I think Jacob is okay, but really he just sucks in combat, and for Fem Shepard story wise ya.... He really hit the low for Fem Shepard. Not to mention he is useless, well almost useless in the suicide mission.

Just there? From a ME2 standpoint He is often used to establish connections, but so is Mordin. Jacob has his sense of morality because of his father and all that is crashing down when he learns the truth. Also his connection to Miranda and other minor details is often shown. Mordin instead, who is loved by many, is just "I reinvented the Genophage, if you don't like it we have nothing else to discuss". It is ME3 where he for the first time shows that he thought about the Genophage and decided it was a mistake. He never did that in ME2. You only needed one conversation with him to basically know everything there is to know.

Someone wasn't paying attention...

Then describe both in your view.
Mordins role was to create something that protects you against the seeker swarms while either telling you that he has nothing more to talk about when you disagree with his work and ethics, or sing Scientist Salarian if you like him.

[Arian Dynas]

RavenEyry wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I sent it tonight, my professor has a reputation for fast grading, but not that fast.

Let's hope they're not a literalist!


Anyway, pretty good read. A bit pretentious but I suppose that can't be helped in a philosophy essay. I liked the comparison of the geth being synthetic life and the collectors being hybrid non-life, I'd never thought of that before.

Ah, he's the sort who adores Wittgenstein, I doubt he could look at something literally, even if he wanted to.

And yeah, it was a comparison I hadn't thought of either.

[Xd2delo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Restrider well to be Honest Jacob is just there.

You could say that goes for a few other squadmates, but his story was just meh. I think Jacob is okay, but really he just sucks in combat, and for Fem Shepard story wise ya.... He really hit the low for Fem Shepard. Not to mention he is useless, well almost useless in the suicide mission.

Just there? From a ME2 standpoint He is often used to establish connections, but so is Mordin. Jacob has his sense of morality because of his father and all that is crashing down when he learns the truth. Also his connection to Miranda and other minor details is often shown. Mordin instead, who is loved by many, is just "I reinvented the Genophage, if you don't like it we have nothing else to discuss". It is ME3 where he for the first time shows that he thought about the Genophage and decided it was a mistake. He never did that in ME2. You only needed one conversation with him to basically know everything there is to know.

Jacob is useful in that he fleshes out the background, true, but maybe what everyone was responding to is that there wasn't really a great deal of depth to his character.  He appears to have no flaws (for example: Jack has her anger, Miranda has her ruthlessness, Thane his willingness to act as a hired killer), and he's mainly interesting in terms of how he gives depth to other characters.  The plotline with his father pretty much pops up and is just there.  He doesn't express any particular angst about his father's absence prior to that moment.  He's just there to be nice and answer questions.  You rarely have any conflict with him, so there's zero dramatic tension.

[masster blaster]

You know what I notice. I think we talked about this before, but when Anderson dies Shepard is not angry, nor sad. I mean when Shepard finds out that the brat was controlling TIM. That's when Shepard should have snaped. I mean was it not TIM that made us pull the trigger on Anderson, yet we find out that the brat controlled TIM/ made Shepard kill Anderson.

IT, or literal Shepard should be pissed, hell Shepard should be pissed period. Right now everyone is dying, while the brat is taking his sweet time explaining what will happen if you choose this choice. Harbinger killed all those soldiers without a second thought. Ya preserving life my ***.

Oh and I remember when I found this a while back, but if you pick renegade chocies when you are talking to TIM at the end. He literaly tells Shepard point blank.

TIM: Are you going to Control the Reapers?

A few minutes later

Shepard: But I can.

God Child: Yes.

[demersel]

Hello everyone and Arian! How's it going?

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Never denied it and can't say if it's true or not without you pointing me to where I did it.
It wasn't insults you said I did, just check the pages for yesterday or the day before where I commented on and you nicely ignored it.

Yeah, cos I was still pissed and thought ignoring you would be better than getting in another argument.

Being pissed at someone doesn't mean you need to invent something to badmouth that person.
At any point where I was here in the last 3 days I saw only one liners from CT that all came down to "I love IT and it's the only thing for me" without any base, often, like his last, completely without connection to anything else. I didn't invent anything here.

[TheProtheans]

Restrider wrote...

Yeah, and you totally forget the dialogue where Mordin states that he ran the clinic on Omega as a way to atone to his doings - showing that he has an internal struggle to justify his actions for himself.
Followed by the dialogue in his loyalty mission.

Edit: To say it short:

BleedingUranium wrote...
Someone wasn't paying attention...

You would really have to speculate the reasons why he is operating on Omega.
It is just as likely that he wanted to encourage growth in his latter years rather than continuing to work on halting growth.
For if he actually cared about the Genophage itself he would more than likely be helping Krogan primarily instead of all aliens that are sick.

Modifié par TheProtheans, 14 décembre 2012 - 02:45 .

[Arian Dynas]

BleedingUranium wrote...

It took me 30 minutes, but I just finished reading The Wall, and I think it's my favourite so far! Very well written!

O.o it was?

Wow, and here I thought I was rambling like a maniac.

[RavenEyry]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Never denied it and can't say if it's true or not without you pointing me to where I did it.
It wasn't insults you said I did, just check the pages for yesterday or the day before where I commented on and you nicely ignored it.

Yeah, cos I was still pissed and thought ignoring you would be better than getting in another argument.

Being pissed at someone doesn't mean you need to invent something to badmouth that person.
At any point where I was here in the last 3 days I saw only one liners from CT that all came down to "I love IT and it's the only thing for me" without any base, often, like his last, completely without connection to anything else. I didn't invent anything here.

I've never invented anything to badmouth you.

[Arian Dynas]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

You are sent to Eden Prime; mankind’s first, and thus far most successful colony

Terra Nova was the second extrasolar and the first beyond the Charon mass relay. Eden Prime is the model for stability, yes, Terra Nova still has a higher population. Also don't forget it has this status because its also in proximity to the Terminus Systems, showing that the Alliance can stand for itself.

I hope either your Professor doesn't care about such details or you only made that mistake in this version.
Also some of the stuff you describe isn't really clear. At the point where you list the things you find on Eden Prime you can't really distinguish at some points if this is part of the list or if it's describing something else you mentioned before.
I find it also strange how you highlight some points, like the name Normandy on the side of the ship, but describe others in such a way that there are multiple ways to understand it, like how you describe the crew.

Didn't read the rest (too long, never read any of these because of the amount of errors usually add up in big posts and responding just gets you a "why you never do such a thing but always complain"), just posting some constructive criticism.

The professor won't even KNOW about the details here, hence why there IS so much recap. And to be honest, he likely won't care, preferring the narrative themes far more.

That, and like I said, I was in a half dazed, brainfried-too much finals haze when I wrote the thing. So yeah, I wasn't expecting even the clarity I got.

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

It took me 30 minutes, but I just finished reading The Wall, and I think it's my favourite so far! Very well written!

O.o it was?

Wow, and here I thought I was rambling like a maniac.

Well, it could use some formatting and spell checking, but the substance of it is good, and that's what counts