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[RavenEyry]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As you don't want to search for the posts where I just insulted you without any reason I am too lazy to search the posts from yesterday and the day before to find the post.

Well in that case it looks like your the one making things up to insult me.

[MegumiAzusa]

Xd2delo wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Yeah, and you totally forget the dialogue where Mordin states that he ran the clinic on Omega as a way to atone to his doings - showing that he has an internal struggle to justify his actions for himself.
Followed by the dialogue in his loyalty mission.

Edit: To say it short:

BleedingUranium wrote...
Someone wasn't paying attention...

And if you paid attention you would have noticed he also said he was the one who checked if it's still working every time. There is some minor struggle but there is no development. Before and after he stands by his decisions and it was the only way because "someone else might have gotten it wrong". Which is basically a lame excuse to justify his actions. He never second guessed that until ME3 where he actually said "I was wrong!" which is also why these words are so strong.

You don't seem to understand that his character arc spans both ME2 and 3, so of course he didn't have the full change of heart until the end, that's how stories work.

I was just making a point as Mordin was already liked in ME2 while having 0 growth, while Jacob was not while having much more.

Because growth isn't necessarily what people like about a character?

Growth is what makes a character important and not "yep, he's there... doing stuff" like Mordin is in ME2. Mordin was well written and had some funny lines, but his character was the most boring in ME2 for me and I didn't like him at all until the dunno third playthrough where I was just "meh" towards him.

[Arian Dynas]

Restrider wrote...

So, what's Jacob's development then (focusing on ME2 here)?

A former Alliance soldier, who was fed up with the red tape so that he joined Cerberus, though still mistrusting TIM. He had a few adventures (as Corsair in the Alliance; the biological agent mission with Miranda -> possible fling) and comments on a few squadmates. Then there is the story of his father. Jacob does not even talk about it after the mission.
In ME3, we learn more about him and he decides to stay with people he cares for.

And to add to my reasoning:
Just read the SB's dossiers on the different squadmates. Guess whose is the most bland, boring and stupid entry? Even the SB agrees with my assertions.
Edit: The most interesting thing about Jacob is Kasumi having a crush on him.

I kind of liked Jacob, he became a kind of straightman, sometimes it's nice having a bland, boring person to hang out with.

[Arian Dynas]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As you don't want to search for the posts where I just insulted you without any reason I am too lazy to search the posts from yesterday and the day before to find the post.

Well in that case it looks like your the one making things up to insult me.

Don't either one of you dare respond.

I've had enough, I don't care what problem you two have developed, but I have had enough, there will be NO more sniping at one another, capisce?

[Arian Dynas]

masster blaster wrote...

Hello Arian.

Hi Masster.

[MegumiAzusa]

Xd2delo wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The primary background sound in the breath scene is definitely wind whistling.

Perhaps it's from reentry. 

It's the background sound used also on Thessia and iirc also some parts of it on Tuchanka.

[CoolioThane]

BleedingUranium wrote...

The primary background sound in the breath scene is definitely wind whistling.

Don't be silly Blur, there's no way the breath scene can take place on Earth 

hahahahahahaha

[Xd2delo]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Xd2delo wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Restrider wrote...

Yeah, and you totally forget the dialogue where Mordin states that he ran the clinic on Omega as a way to atone to his doings - showing that he has an internal struggle to justify his actions for himself.
Followed by the dialogue in his loyalty mission.

Edit: To say it short:

BleedingUranium wrote...
Someone wasn't paying attention...

And if you paid attention you would have noticed he also said he was the one who checked if it's still working every time. There is some minor struggle but there is no development. Before and after he stands by his decisions and it was the only way because "someone else might have gotten it wrong". Which is basically a lame excuse to justify his actions. He never second guessed that until ME3 where he actually said "I was wrong!" which is also why these words are so strong.

You don't seem to understand that his character arc spans both ME2 and 3, so of course he didn't have the full change of heart until the end, that's how stories work.

I was just making a point as Mordin was already liked in ME2 while having 0 growth, while Jacob was not while having much more.

Because growth isn't necessarily what people like about a character?

Growth is what makes a character important and not "yep, he's there... doing stuff" like Mordin is in ME2. Mordin was well written and had some funny lines, but his character was the most boring in ME2 for me and I didn't like him at all until the dunno third playthrough where I was just "meh" towards him.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but typically that growth arises in part from some conflict with the main character, and that's a part of what makes it interesting.  Jacob doesn't really start out as flawed; does anyone think he's really a bad or damaged person?  If so, how does this manifest (other than by joining a fringe group with questionable political goals....ok, now I'm starting to doubt my own argument)?  But really, he's the good guy of the group; as you point out, he has a strong sense of morality... and at the end of his loyalty mission, that just ends up getting confirmed.  And he never ends up really compromising it either.  So how, exactly, has he grown?  How has he changed?  To me he seems the same as he ever was at the end of his plotline in ME2.  Just sadder.

[CoolioThane]

Oh and Megumi...please watch 'Scrubs' - you will laugh and cry and it's amazing. Everyone should watch Scrubs all the time.

[MegumiAzusa]

Kyrene wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Don't mind him, it's what he does.

And what is it that you do (apart from being miserable and often beligerent, grinding axes, and generally negative) here these days, Megumi? I used to see you as one of the checks and balances in this thread, but I have to really wonder nowadays...

Well let me think, I point out a flaw, get immediately called names and being negative. Trying to explain my points, same arguments and insults 24/7.
It's not just one side creating these bad vibes here.

So, if you think you're the one side to this 'two sides of hostility, arguments and insults,' remove your part in it. "Don't mind him, it's what he does." is you firing the first shot (regardles of the veracity of your statement), not being the victim. You can only play the victim card when you're never at fault.

Take a break. You're pretty much a self-appointed policeman here. Bad IT stinks so badly that it doesn't need correcting, moreso if that correcting is making you miserable. As mostly an outsider here, it just seems like you are disagreeing with everyone for the sake of disagreeing nowadays. This leads to all the other negative things you've just mentioned.

I never said I was above hostilities, I said I wasn't the only one while marked as the only one, which is a clear difference.
I agreed with enough posts the last weeks so the last part of your posts looses it's validity.

[MegumiAzusa]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As you don't want to search for the posts where I just insulted you without any reason I am too lazy to search the posts from yesterday and the day before to find the post.

Well in that case it looks like your the one making things up to insult me.

Riiight. If acting the same way as you do is making things up I guess just proves my point in me saying you make things up, does it not?

[BleedingUranium]

Arian Dynas wrote...

I kind of liked Jacob, he became a kind of straightman, sometimes it's nice having a bland, boring person to hang out with.

I like him too, but he's still on the bottom of my "interesting characters" list. That said, he's not on the bottom of my list of characters I like, as in if I were really Shepard, the ones I'd like and get along with.

[RavenEyry]

CoolioThane wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

The primary background sound in the breath scene is definitely wind whistling.

Don't be silly Blur, there's no way the breath scene can take place on Earth 

hahahahahahaha

Air escaping through cracks in the citadels hull is the only thing I could think of that would make a similar noise. But that would mean the atmosphere required to take a deep breath wouldn't be present.

[BleedingUranium]

Megumi! Stop! Now!

[RavenEyry]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As you don't want to search for the posts where I just insulted you without any reason I am too lazy to search the posts from yesterday and the day before to find the post.

Well in that case it looks like your the one making things up to insult me.

Riiight. If acting the same way as you do is making things up I guess just proves my point in me saying you make things up, does it not?

I can tell you exactly what happened even if I can't find the post. You called me a troll for politely disagreeing with your opinion on the implications of a track title. When I called you on it you twisted my words so you could accuse me of twisting your words.

Now try telling me what I made up about you instead of avoiding the question while still responding.

[Lokanaiya]

Hey Arian! You're back!

[KyreneZA]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

As you don't want to search for the posts where I just insulted you without any reason I am too lazy to search the posts from yesterday and the day before to find the post.

Well in that case it looks like your the one making things up to insult me.

Take this **** to PM you two ****en children. He said, she said, for the whole world to read is ****en pathetic. Neither of you two are right!

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

So what was this about the Synthesis thread debuncking myths about Synthesis?

[Andromidius]

RavenEyry wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I've never invented anything to badmouth you.

Yes you did.

Saying that doesn't make it true. The only things I've badmouthed you for are your constant hostility, your pretentiousness and your hypocrisy. None of those were invented.

If I did say something stupid and wrong I've forgotten, point it out and I'll apologise for it.

Didn't you know that merely disagreeing with someone is 'insulting them' these days?

Its a typical tactic of an overbearing person, giving people crap non-stop but the moment you bite back even slightly they go crying for sympathy.  Pretty silly, honestly.

[hukbum]

Yay ... 20 new "Who's the victim"-pages ...

[Rifneno]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Don't either one of you dare respond.

I've had enough, I don't care what problem you two have developed, but I have had enough, there will be NO more sniping at one another, capisce?

Lulz. You must've been gone since before Megumi became the thread's worst troll. This whiny, self-righteous walking martyr complex makes me long for the days of Waldstr.

[Andromidius]

I'm off to find a shop, I hope to see speculations by the time I get back.

[Arian Dynas]

Enough. Stop demonizing Megumi, stop arguing about the whole thing; we're all friends here, and I am personally ashamed that any one of you would consider otherwise.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Hey Arian!

Delightful wall of text, as always. Though I must honestly say I feel it's a lot harder to take it all in if you're not familiar with ME. It could use some improvement in that department. The general idea of it is excellent though.

If you feel like delving into the dual layers of meaning in the ME3 dialogue, click my signature. I provide a ton of dialogue examples at the end of my OP. It's completely supportive of classic IT, only I'm limiting myself by looking purely at the in-game dialogue.

Confirmation bias? Or pattern recognition? You decide! =)

[DoomsdayDevice]

masster blaster wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

So what was this about the Synthesis thread debuncking myths about Synthesis?

They were talking about debunking some myths about synthesis. They were probably referring to the claim that synthesis brainwashes people, etcetera.

Personally, I am more interested in debunking the synthesis myth entirely.