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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hey Arian!

Delightful wall of text, as always. Though I must honestly say I feel it's a lot harder to take it all in if you're not familiar with ME. It could use some improvement in that department. The general idea of it is excellent though.

If you feel like delving into the dual layers of meaning in the ME3 dialogue, click my signature. I provide a ton of dialogue examples at the end of my OP. It's completely supportive of classic IT, only I'm limiting myself by looking purely at the in-game dialogue.

Confirmation bias? Or pattern recognition? You decide! =)


Assuming you're right, it's possible the sequel WON'T be about Shepard; it's possible that the partial indoctrination has rendered him/er unable to continue to lead the fight, and that s/he'll take him/erself out of it.  So someone new will have to take over.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Enough. Stop demonizing Megumi, stop arguing about the whole thing; we're all friends here, and I am personally ashamed that any one of you would consider otherwise.


I'll give a damn when it comes from someone that's actually been here in the past few months.  When you've had to listen to this troll harp on everyone for not putting "I think, but cannot know with certainty" before every single piece of speculation they write while simultaneously declaring every opinion of theirs as fact, including that IT is "impossible" with EC, then playing the victim card anytime anyone so much as disagrees let alone gives back the same crap it's been giving everyone else... THEN you can give this speech about us all being friends.  Until then, stuff a goddamn sock in it.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Confirmation bias? Or pattern recognition? You decide! =)

Little of both probably! I know the patterns are there but some of us get a little overexited by the smallest things. (I'm often one of them)

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Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

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Leggies and Jegglefens, I am going to bed, since it's 6:30 AM here, way past my bedtime, and I need sleep.

I hope that when I am back tomorrow morning, everyone will be playing nice, comprende?

We all have our flaws, some more than others; I beseech all of you not only to accept the flaws in others, but to improve upon your own. As someone who has done alot of self-improvement over the years, believe me when I tell you, it is a thing worth doing.

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

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So what was this about the Synthesis thread debuncking myths about Synthesis?


They were talking about debunking some myths about synthesis. They were probably referring to the claim that synthesis brainwashes people, etcetera.

Personally, I am more interested in debunking the synthesis myth entirely. :lol:


Myth: Jumping in a Reaper beam will rewrite the way reality works in regards to how sentient life operates.
Fact: Jumping in a Reaper beam just kills you.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

I never said I was above hostilities, I said I wasn't the only one while marked as the only one, which is a clear difference.
I agreed with enough posts the last weeks so the last part of your posts looses it's validity.

Yeah, two wrongs always make a right. And only disagreeing 50% of the time (100% in your responses to me in the last few pages; small sample size, I know, still, telling...) means you don't do it because you can.

To use the meme: Seems legit.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Leggies and Jegglefens, I am going to bed, since it's 6:30 AM here, way past my bedtime, and I need sleep.

I hope that when I am back tomorrow morning, everyone will be playing nice, comprende?

We all have our flaws, some more than others; I beseech all of you not only to accept the flaws in others, but to improve upon your own. As someone who has done alot of self-improvement over the years, believe me when I tell you, it is a thing worth doing.


That's very much past anyone's bedtime! Posted Image

I hope we're not as well, but I think it's partly due to the lack of new things to speculate about. The new DLC sounds very interesting, there's almost no info on it.

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Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Hey Arian!

Delightful wall of text, as always. Though I must honestly say I feel it's a lot harder to take it all in if you're not familiar with ME. It could use some improvement in that department. The general idea of it is excellent though.

If you feel like delving into the dual layers of meaning in the ME3 dialogue, click my signature. I provide a ton of dialogue examples at the end of my OP. It's completely supportive of classic IT, only I'm limiting myself by looking purely at the in-game dialogue.

Confirmation bias? Or pattern recognition? You decide! =)


Assuming you're right, it's possible the sequel WON'T be about Shepard; it's possible that the partial indoctrination has rendered him/er unable to continue to lead the fight, and that s/he'll take him/erself out of it.  So someone new will have to take over.


Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

I find the Collector Ship firing a green laz0r much more interesting as it's nothing as we see in the game.
The scenes you mentioned look like from animation and lighting testing from the development of ME3, nothing really to get excited about imo.

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It will prove IT

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DD If Synthesis is trying to debunck a myth, that is brainwashing does not happen in Synthesis. All I have to say is Javik, and that is all.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

I find the Collector Ship firing a green laz0r much more interesting as it's nothing as we see in the game.
The scenes you mentioned look like from animation and lighting testing from the development of ME3, nothing really to get excited about imo.


Maybe they're from testing, maybe they're testing for future things! The only difference is whether you're an optimist of a pessimist.

I'd take anything you see in Paragon Lost with a very large grain of salt though *shutter*

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:49 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

I don't see the Abominations, but despite that, what's your point exactly?

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DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Xd2delo wrote...

Assuming you're right, it's possible the sequel WON'T be about Shepard; it's possible that the partial indoctrination has rendered him/er unable to continue to lead the fight, and that s/he'll take him/erself out of it.  So someone new will have to take over.


Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)

I agree too, but only with some choices. I've always felt any potential IT DLC should let everyone play, but Shepard only survives in the long run if they beat indoctrination, otherwise they have to kill themselves/get someone else to kill them before they lose control again, but only after doing whatever is in the DLC (hopefully reaper defeating)

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Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 

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Kyrene wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

I don't see the Abominations, but despite that, what's your point exactly?


At 0:27 there are four Husks and an Abomination. Not only are they never seen together in ME3, that also means Collectors!

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Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 


Son of a batarian.  The conventional victory theory is like the herpes of discussion.  No matter what you do to it, no matter how many times you do it, it always comes back.  Always.

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Rifneno wrote...

Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 


Son of a batarian.  The conventional victory theory is like the herpes of discussion.  No matter what you do to it, no matter how many times you do it, it always comes back.  Always.


Apologies, I didn't realize it was verboten.

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Even if thers's only 50 reapers conventional victory isn't possible. It's simple numbers.

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Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 


And the oldest reliable age given for the Reapers is 37 million years, as the ridiculous one billion figure is given by the Hegemony. I'm not buying one billion without something more solid.

37 million gives us a maximum of 740 Sovereign Reapers, and 750-1000 Reapers is a very reasonable estimate.

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Rifneno wrote...

Son of a batarian.  The conventional victory theory is like the herpes of discussion.  No matter what you do to it, no matter how many times you do it, it always comes back.  Always.


Now you sound like Megumi. Just because you don't think conventional victory is possible doesn't make it so.

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Xd2delo wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 


Son of a batarian.  The conventional victory theory is like the herpes of discussion.  No matter what you do to it, no matter how many times you do it, it always comes back.  Always.


Apologies, I didn't realize it was verboten.


I didn't mean it toward you.  It's a constant argument around here between regulars.

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Xd2delo wrote...

DoomsdayDevice wrote...



Agreed, I realize that is quite possible. :)


By the by, didn't delve too deeply into that thread (worried about what I might awaken there), but what's the rationale/thought behind this point?:

11. There are not as many Reapers as we think there are. They
concentrated the bulk of their forces in the most heavily populated
areas of the galaxy and are patrolling the less populated regions to
keep up the illusion of a large presence. If we knew they were not with
as many as we thought, we could do some serious damage. I do think this
means the path to a more conventional victory is open. Forget about the
crucible.

Not disagreeing, just curious.  Makes sense that there may not be all that many Sovereign-class at minimum, if only one is made per cycle, and accounting for any losses (which, since our cycle seems to have come to an early end, should be higher in other cycles as greater technological development = stronger weapons). 


That is based on what I derived from the three Eden Prime datapads in 'From Ashes'.

Just read the example section at the end of the OP, it is explained there. It will make everything so much clearer. ;)

The Eden Prime datapads are fairly at the top of the list of examples.

(It could also simply mean that during the invasion, the Reaper base in dark space is now understaffed, which could be a weakness we can exploit.)

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 14 décembre 2012 - 03:59 .


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BleedingUranium wrote...

Kyrene wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Here's that Paragon Lost video again.

The one with a Phantom on the Normandy at 0:17, Rio immediately after, then Rio again, then Husks and Abominations at the same time at 0:27 Posted Image

I don't see the Abominations, but despite that, what's your point exactly?


At 0:27 there are four Husks and an Abomination. Not only are they never seen together in ME3, that also means Collectors!

Forgive me BlUr if I call you Garrus from now on... That takes reaching to a whole new level...