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[dreamgazer]

Kyrene wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't know. I think with the IT DLC we'll get something happen that means the Reapers become weaker and easier to take out. I think with all of the resources we have with regards to "EMS" we could stand a chance of conventional victory based solely off of what actually occurs with regards to the Crucible.

And how's that going to work exactly? Presuming I buy into the rumour that this mythical IT DLC will ever be produced that is.

Please explain how, CT.

Haven't you seen Independence Day?  Virus, baby!

[Rifneno]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Did you know on the Wii U people are already posting pics of Shepard jumping into the pit and calling it the best ending because Shepard dies and saves everyone. I put a spoiler post under theirs saying that high EMS destroy is better for what comes after.

BioWare has succeeded in indoctrinating some of our new recruits!

They're Wii U'ers...

[BatmanTurian]

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

You're down to the last moment of the game and you can't pull the trigger on your enemy. He just talks you out of it and you throw your gun down and let him kill you? All because you couldn't stand collateral damage of friends who were ready to die anyway (they weren't civilians and they knew the score).

It's just so... illogical on its face to trust your enemy so implicitly at the last moment when you have the gun to his head and you're ready to pull the trigger. All he cares about is his self-preservation and getting rid of you, not about "making friends."

This is what bothers me the most about people who seriously consider Control and Synthesis. It's an abandonment of logic for the sake of sentimentality for friends who are already prepared to die for your cause.

[RavenEyry]

dreamgazer wrote...


Haven't you seen Independence Day?  Virus, baby!

"Sir! Sir! Aliens/vampires/miscelleneous monsters/ the french are invading!"
"Deploy the Will Smith!"

[dorktainian]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

You're down to the last moment of the game and you can't pull the trigger on your enemy. He just talks you out of it and you throw your gun down and let him kill you? All because you couldn't stand collateral damage of friends who were ready to die anyway (they weren't civilians and they knew the score).

It's just so... illogical on its face to trust your enemy so implicitly at the last moment when you have the gun to his head and you're ready to pull the trigger. All he cares about is his self-preservation and getting rid of you, not about "making friends."

This is what bothers me the most about people who seriously consider Control and Synthesis. It's an abandonment of logic for the sake of sentimentality for friends who are already prepared to die for your cause.

[dreamgazer]

RavenEyry wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...


Haven't you seen Independence Day?  Virus, baby!

"Sir! Sir! Aliens/vampires/miscelleneous monsters/ the french are invading!"
"Deploy the Will Smith!"

WELCOME TO EARF!

[Fur28]

Rifneno wrote...

CmdrShep80 wrote...

Did you know on the Wii U people are already posting pics of Shepard jumping into the pit and calling it the best ending because Shepard dies and saves everyone. I put a spoiler post under theirs saying that high EMS destroy is better for what comes after.

BioWare has succeeded in indoctrinating some of our new recruits!

They're Wii U'ers...

awwww c´mon i was plannig on buying the Wii U and enjoy multiplayer with newcomers, but now i know i´m just going to play with zombie people:(

[RavenEyry]

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

My guess is because it's the last thing you talk to. When confronted with all the quotes supporting destroy the common response is"They didn't know everything, the ctalyst proved them wrong" without even considering it could be wrong/lying itself. Because it was the last thing spoken to and thus supercedes all previous information apparently. I wonder if the game had you presented with the choices by the catalyst, then had the standoff with TIM and Anderson, then had to make the choice some people would think differently. (Obviously that order would make no sense but it's just a hypothetical)

[CoolioThane]

Kyrene wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I don't know. I think with the IT DLC we'll get something happen that means the Reapers become weaker and easier to take out. I think with all of the resources we have with regards to "EMS" we could stand a chance of conventional victory based solely off of what actually occurs with regards to the Crucible.

And how's that going to work exactly? Presuming I buy into the rumour that this mythical IT DLC will ever be produced that is.

Please explain how, CT.

Dude, I'm not a writer. As I said in a previous post, I'm just spitballing. Did you mean for your post to sound as vitriolic as it did?

[Xd2delo]

RavenEyry wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

My guess is because it's the last thing you talk to. When confronted with all the quotes supporting destroy the common response is"They didn't know everything, the ctalyst proved them wrong" without even considering it could be wrong/lying itself. Because it was the last thing spoken to and thus supercedes all previous information apparently. I wonder if the game had you presented with the choices by the catalyst, then had the standoff with TIM and Anderson, then had to make the choice some people would think differently. (Obviously that order would make no sense but it's just a hypothetical)

Also, he's GLOWING AND ETHEREAL, and explains stuff!  "Can I interest you in a dubious solution to all your problems?" 

[MegumiAzusa]

Xd2delo wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

My guess is because it's the last thing you talk to. When confronted with all the quotes supporting destroy the common response is"They didn't know everything, the ctalyst proved them wrong" without even considering it could be wrong/lying itself. Because it was the last thing spoken to and thus supercedes all previous information apparently. I wonder if the game had you presented with the choices by the catalyst, then had the standoff with TIM and Anderson, then had to make the choice some people would think differently. (Obviously that order would make no sense but it's just a hypothetical)

Also, he's GLOWING AND ETHEREAL, and explains stuff!  "Can I interest you in a dubious solution to all your problems?"

Yes please, also take these people as testsubjects as a free gift for our new cooperation!

[BleedingUranium]

Xd2delo wrote...

Also, he's GLOWING AND ETHEREAL, and explains stuff!  "Can I interest you in a dubious solution to all your problems?"

My laughter just confused everyone in the room

[BleedingUranium]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Guess some of you would like a certain line here.

Just like in my signature!

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 14 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .

[RavenEyry]

Xd2delo wrote...
Also, he's GLOWING AND ETHEREAL, and explains stuff!  "Can I interest you in a dubious solution to all your problems?" 

Humans are similar to flies in that respect. "Must...have...shiny"

Edit: Also "Welcome to Honest Catalyst's Used Solution Warehouse"

Modifié par RavenEyry, 14 décembre 2012 - 05:57 .

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

It's so hard for me to believe so many people just drop their mission at the end of the story because the leader of the enemy known to be deceptive says he suddenly wants to make friends. It's so naive and... it just makes me shake my head at humanity.

My guess is because it's the last thing you talk to. When confronted with all the quotes supporting destroy the common response is"They didn't know everything, the ctalyst proved them wrong" without even considering it could be wrong/lying itself. Because it was the last thing spoken to and thus supercedes all previous information apparently. I wonder if the game had you presented with the choices by the catalyst, then had the standoff with TIM and Anderson, then had to make the choice some people would think differently. (Obviously that order would make no sense but it's just a hypothetical)

No, this is good. And I think I agree. I myself tend to think that people must've not taken it seriously enough. It was still a game to them where they could easily trust someone if they only appear legit to them...like those ads with people in lab coats in them, it's not like no one falls for them.

But hey, Bioware DID add those 'flash-forwards' where Shep sees Anderson/TIM picking their choice. And those make even less sense than what you proposed. Another step would be, what if Shepard had to pick a choice with his squadmates? Image him seeing them as a hallucination and talk to them, a la Baltar/Number Six.

[Eryri]

Xd2delo wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...
But ti depends if it's actually still in control of them. Destroying the creator of the reapers may lead them to feel they're not so all-powerful after all, but I doubt it'd actually damage any of them.

I think best case scenerio would be to create a rift between different Reapers who each want to take their own path, and start a Reaper civil war.

But yeah.

It would seem a matter of curiously poor design to create a massive cybernetic organism that is incapable of autonomous action when a control signal falls silent.  Even the geth are more capable than this.  So it seems to me that this approach (divide the Reapers into factions) seems more promising and believable as a plot twist than torpedoing another Death Star. 

This could work really well to continue the story forward actually. The only things capable of stopping the reapers are... other reapers. If the Reapers turn on each other, then it can tip the balance enough for the Alliance to "Take Earth back" while still leaving a few reapers on the scene for future installments.

I even created a thread on this about 6 months back which immediately sank without trace. Not that I'm bitter...  

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...
But hey, Bioware DID add those 'flash-forwards' where Shep sees Anderson/TIM picking their choice. And those make even less sense than what you proposed. Another step would be, what if Shepard had to pick a choice with his squadmates? Image him seeing them as a hallucination and talk to them, a la Baltar/Number Six.

Big reveal: EDI was in Joker's head the whole time. Everyone else was just humouring him.

[Rifneno]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
But hey, Bioware DID add those 'flash-forwards' where Shep sees Anderson/TIM picking their choice. And those make even less sense than what you proposed. Another step would be, what if Shepard had to pick a choice with his squadmates? Image him seeing them as a hallucination and talk to them, a la Baltar/Number Six.

Big reveal: EDI was in Joker's head the whole time. Everyone else was just humouring him.

Ironic.  All this time, Joker was trying to get into EDI's head.

...

I should go.

[BleedingUranium]

MaximizedAction wrote...

No, this is good. And I think I agree. I myself tend to think that people must've not taken it seriously enough. It was still a game to them where they could easily trust someone if they only appear legit to them...like those ads with people in lab coats in them, it's not like no one falls for them.

But hey, Bioware DID add those 'flash-forwards' where Shep sees Anderson/TIM picking their choice. And those make even less sense than what you proposed. Another step would be, what if Shepard had to pick a choice with his squadmates? Image him seeing them as a hallucination and talk to them, a la Baltar/Number Six.

Banshee's big huge video (when he's done his PC playthrough... someday) will be like that. It'll be like the Choose Wisely There Is Only One Choice video in concept, but just the normal ending with relevant quotes overlayed, as if Shepard is remembering what his friends (and enemies) have said.

Also, I just replayed the ending last night, and I noticed there's a horrible screaming as you see the ControlTIM flash-forward.  And Anderson has a Predator in the Destroy one

Modifié par BleedingUranium, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:09 .

[CoolioThane]

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuu, Watching those scenes again in Blur's signature....IT man, it's true, maaaaaan, I love the parallel, it's fantastic.

Modifié par CoolioThane, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:04 .

[BleedingUranium]

Eryri wrote...

I even created a thread on this about 6 months back which immediately sank without trace. Not that I'm bitter... 

I bumped your thread!

[RavenEyry]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Banshee's big huge video (when he's done his PC playthrough... someday) will be like that. It'll be like the Choose Wisely video in concept, but just the normal ending with relevant quotes overlayed, as if Shepard is remembering what his friends (and enemies) have said.

Sounds rather similar to the 'There is only one choice' video, but I'll probably watch it anyway.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:06 .

[Eryri]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I even created a thread on this about 6 months back which immediately sank without trace. Not that I'm bitter... 

I bumped your thread!

Cheers Blur! 

[Xd2delo]

Eryri wrote...


This could work really well to continue the story forward actually. The only things capable of stopping the reapers are... other reapers. If the Reapers turn on each other, then it can tip the balance enough for the Alliance to "Take Earth back" while still leaving a few reapers on the scene for future installments.

I even created a thread on this about 6 months back which immediately sank without trace. Not that I'm bitter...  

Hah, poor guy.  Well, I tend to agree with you.  As I've said before, a prequel series just doesn't make sense; I don't see how you make one with humanity fully entered into the ME universe; the only plausible time seems to be First Contact War and I just don't see that being an easy one write.

So sequels appear to be indicated.  And to have sequels you need ot have some sort of definitive ending.  So short of a canon choice....

[CoolioThane]

BleedingUranium wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I even created a thread on this about 6 months back which immediately sank without trace. Not that I'm bitter... 

I bumped your thread!

How weird, I just bumped yours!