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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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BleedingUranium wrote...

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See the big white tube here?

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There's a giant one of those under the Destroy ramp/side in the decision chamber, is it seen anywhere outside the non-reality sections?


Huh.  You know, I never noticed that Harbinger is 'inside' the corridor on the Citadel filled with dead bodies before.

And he always looks like he's grinning to me.  The bastard.


Yep, I call this the offical IT Banner, along side the Solo Mastery Banner. That picture is if you're as far back against the conduit thing as you can get, looking at the left wall. Harbinger is where you go, literally.

Solo Mastery is Shepard walking away from the beam holding a Predator Posted Image

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Huh, I just had a hunch that I'm not sure if it's right but I'm going to voice anyway.  Does that image of Harbinger line up with that orange light in that hallway in the ending?

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Dwailing wrote...

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Same with the Krogan - were raised up to help win a war, won it and were honoured, but then decided to attack their allies, got defeated and had to be neutered to keep them in line - and even then they keep trying to stir trouble.  They only change because of Wrex, Mordin and Eve's actions.

The only truely downtrodden race seems to be the Drell - and they are apperently happy and content being in servittude to the Hanar, because the alternative is even worse for them!


Yeah actually, let 's add the hanar to the list themselves; seem like a species of fun-lovin', peaceable jelly fish, until we learn they employ "indentured servant" assassins.  classy move, you cnidarian scum.


I think the hanar and the drell have a relationship of mutual respect, though.  I'm not denying that you have a point, but at least the relationship between the two races is equitable.


I both agree and disagree.  :D  You're right that Thane certainly seems to indicate a great deal of respect on the part of the drell for what the hanar did to save their species.  And much of their service seems to be inspired by that sense of gratitude. 
But I don't know that I agree that their relationship is an equitable one.  From Thane we also learn that many drell have adopted hanar religion and culture.  It's not clear how much of that is simply a matter of a bigger, more technologically advanced civilization enveloping a smaller one, vs. how much of it is part of a deliberate proess on the part of the hanar.  For all we know, there are policies on the hanar homeworld encouraging conversion etc.  Or not.  No evidence either way.  But the drell are basically living as invited guests in someone else's home.  So there is kind of an inherent power imbalance there.  And the hanar do not seem to mind using them for morally questionable work.   Thane seems to repent having taken all the lives he has; some of them he seems to think were morally incorrect to take.

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The volus are a vassal of the turians. That's another one.

Modifié par RavenEyry, 14 décembre 2012 - 06:54 .


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Dwailing wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

See the big white tube here?

Posted Image

There's a giant one of those under the Destroy ramp/side in the decision chamber, is it seen anywhere outside the non-reality sections?


Huh.  You know, I never noticed that Harbinger is 'inside' the corridor on the Citadel filled with dead bodies before.

And he always looks like he's grinning to me.  The bastard.


Yep, I call this the offical IT Banner, along side the Solo Mastery Banner. That picture is if you're as far back against the conduit thing as you can get, looking at the left wall. Harbinger is where you go, literally.

Solo Mastery is Shepard walking away from the beam holding a Predator Posted Image

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Huh, I just had a hunch that I'm not sure if it's right but I'm going to voice anyway.  Does that image of Harbinger line up with that orange light in that hallway in the ending?


No, that's on the right side, pretty much directly opposite where the big white tube joins the ceiling. Harby's right in the middle of the hallway.

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@Dwailing:
You mean "are we inside Harbinger"? Or did I missunderstood your post?

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do you know there are times i go away only to be amazed by whats transpired while i've been away. this is one of those times. kudos. i love you all ITers.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

See the big white tube here?

Posted Image

There's a giant one of those under the Destroy ramp/side in the decision chamber, is it seen anywhere outside the non-reality sections?


Huh.  You know, I never noticed that Harbinger is 'inside' the corridor on the Citadel filled with dead bodies before.

And he always looks like he's grinning to me.  The bastard.


Yep, I call this the offical IT Banner, along side the Solo Mastery Banner. That picture is if you're as far back against the conduit thing as you can get, looking at the left wall. Harbinger is where you go, literally.

Solo Mastery is Shepard walking away from the beam holding a Predator Posted Image

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About the grinning Harbinger thing.

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hukbum wrote...

@Dwailing:
You mean "are we inside Harbinger"? Or did I missunderstood your post?


There are light sources in the hallway. And it was suggested here a month or two ago that those lights could represent Harbinger watching you...because of his 'eyes' you know.

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MaximizedAction wrote...

hukbum wrote...

@Dwailing:
You mean "are we inside Harbinger"? Or did I missunderstood your post?


There are light sources in the hallway. And it was suggested here a month or two ago that those lights could represent Harbinger watching you...because of his 'eyes' you know.

To bad ... being inside Harby would be more fun ... :(

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@ Paxx

Nice Posted Image


It's also worth noting that Harbinger's hologram is red, but otherwise taken straight from Arrival. And the title of the Banner is "Death Guard", if anyone can find relevance in that.

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hukbum wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

hukbum wrote...

@Dwailing:
You mean "are we inside Harbinger"? Or did I missunderstood your post?


There are light sources in the hallway. And it was suggested here a month or two ago that those lights could represent Harbinger watching you...because of his 'eyes' you know.

To bad ... being inside Harby would be more fun ... :(


We should get to fly the Normandy around inside him, he is two kilometres long, afterall.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

hukbum wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

hukbum wrote...

@Dwailing:
You mean "are we inside Harbinger"? Or did I missunderstood your post?


There are light sources in the hallway. And it was suggested here a month or two ago that those lights could represent Harbinger watching you...because of his 'eyes' you know.

To bad ... being inside Harby would be more fun ... :(


We should get to fly the Normandy around inside him, he is two kilometres long, afterall.

And after a year of waiting we could omniblade his sick brain. "This hurts you!"

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@ Paxx

Nice Posted Image


It's also worth noting that Harbinger's hologram is red, but otherwise taken straight from Arrival. And the title of the Banner is "Death Guard", if anyone can find relevance in that.

Thanks. I've already posted it several times in this thread but you are the first to notice it. Posted Image

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I'm assuming that image is from the collector base?

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Fur28 wrote...

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Did you know on the Wii U people are already posting pics of Shepard jumping into the pit and calling it the best ending because Shepard dies and saves everyone. I put a spoiler post under theirs saying that high EMS destroy is better for what comes after.

BioWare has succeeded in indoctrinating some of our new recruits!


They're Wii U'ers...


awwww c´mon i was plannig on buying the Wii U and enjoy multiplayer with newcomers, but now i know i´m just going to play with zombie people:(


i didn't say everyone was like that.  Buy it and play mp. They're always looking for more mp players. Seems the mp crowd is awesome

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RavenEyry wrote...

I'm assuming that image is from the collector base?

The Death Guard banner is from the Citadel. My fan art is based on a scene from Arrival.

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Rifneno wrote...
Asari.  The beautiful, peaceful, helpful race that in no way is hiding the galaxy's biggest secret so they can rule.


Or try to keep it quiet that they have a genetic mutation that can result in vampire-children.

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Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Asari.  The beautiful, peaceful, helpful race that in no way is hiding the galaxy's biggest secret so they can rule.


Or try to keep it quiet that they have a genetic mutation that can result in vampire-children.

Or seduce unsuspecting men and women to achieve the above and anything else.

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Wow ... I never thought I would leave a game lobby that quick, but username "DasReichSS1"??? WTF? :blink:

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RavenEyry wrote...

I'm assuming that image is from the collector base?


This?

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That's the dream-Citadel hallway, with a Harby hologram.

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BleedingUranium wrote...

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Nice Posted Image


It's also worth noting that Harbinger's hologram is red, but otherwise taken straight from Arrival. And the title of the Banner is "Death Guard", if anyone can find relevance in that.

These are also the only two banners to use settings from pretty much the end of the game(not even the Mass Effect banner does this). 

It seems to me that Death Guard means simply that. We, the players, are guarding  the rest of the galaxy from death(Reapers). However, I do wonder if it's also meant to be ambiguous and perhaps not just a title for the players.

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I thought it was a comparison. Just adding in the hologram doesn't mean much.

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ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

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Nice Posted Image


It's also worth noting that Harbinger's hologram is red, but otherwise taken straight from Arrival. And the title of the Banner is "Death Guard", if anyone can find relevance in that.

These are also the only two banners to use settings from pretty much the end of the game(not even the Mass Effect banner does this). 

It seems to me that Death Guard means simply that. We, the players, are guarding  the rest of the galaxy from death(Reapers). However, I do wonder if it's also meant to be ambiguous and perhaps not just a title for the players.


In addition to being the only two to feature the ending section of the game, they're the banners you get for playing solo and killing Reapers Posted Image

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Yeeeah! You know I have literally got none of those banners etc. because I haven't played MP since the day Retribution came out. Fancy playing some MP from Monday onwards Blur?

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paxxton wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Asari.  The beautiful, peaceful, helpful race that in no way is hiding the galaxy's biggest secret so they can rule.


Or try to keep it quiet that they have a genetic mutation that can result in vampire-children.

Or seduce unsuspecting men and women to achieve the above and anything else.

I'd say the Ardat-Yakshi are more based off a succubus than a vampire.