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[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish. 

If the reapers actually had the possibility to strike, they'd have done it when said leaders actually were on the Normandy, and did they?

[demersel]

It is also very strange, that the citadel in Mass Effect 3, when sealed - has very large caps and openings - which really would allow anything to get inside - which can be observed in the very ennding cinamatic - before it opens up. Which is strange since they specially redesigned the citadel for ME3.

[estebanus]

 Ok, here are two screenshots. 

This one is the galaxy map shortly before the stike on Earth: 

This one is the airlock: 

As you can see, the airlock is close. It's not open in any way, shape or form.

[demersel]

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish. 

If the reapers actually had the possibility to strike, they'd have done it when said leaders actually were on the Normandy, and did they?

Who says that capability to indoctrinate=capability to strike? 

And tey did get what they wanted - everysingle leader and all of the galaxy's combined forces in one single place. Imagine that the crucible is a bomb, for example. 

So everything the galaxy has to offer is gathered at SOL, and locked there. Crucible blows up SOL (we can even set it off ourselves) - it takes out entire system - all the reapers inside + all our fleets. 
What happens next? If there is even a sinle reaper left anywhere else (and there are plenty if we remember the galaxy map)  -  they can will complete the harvest unopposed. 

[demersel]

estebanus wrote...

 Ok, here are two screenshots. 

This one is the galaxy map shortly before the stike on Earth: 

This one is the airlock: 

As you can see, the airlock is close. It's not open in any way, shape or form.

Have Hacket already given his speech, or have you spoken to Javik? 

[byne]

demersel wrote...

Have Hacket already given his speech, or have you spoken to Javik? 

Hackett cant have given his speech yet.

I dont know what Javik has to do with it.

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish. 

If the reapers actually had the possibility to strike, they'd have done it when said leaders actually were on the Normandy, and did they?

Who says that capability to indoctrinate=capability to strike? 

And tey did get what they wanted - everysingle leader and all of the galaxy's combined forces in one single place. Imagine that the crucible is a bomb, for example. 

So everything the galaxy has to offer is gathered at SOL, and locked there. Crucible blows up SOL (we can even set it off ourselves) - it takes out entire system - all the reapers inside + all our fleets. 
What happens next? If there is even a sinle reaper left anywhere else (and there are plenty if we remember the galaxy map)  -  they can will complete the harvest unopposed. 

Yes, but what would they have done as well? That's right: They'd have blown up humanity, which certainly wouldn't be in their interests. It has already been stated that humanity is very interesting for the reapers, which is why they want to make the next capital ship a human one. If they'd blow up Sol (and simultaneously essentially humanity), they'd have no humans left to salvage, now would they? All of them would've been destroyed.

[demersel]

byne wrote...

demersel wrote...

Have Hacket already given his speech, or have you spoken to Javik? 

Hackett cant have given his speech yet.

I dont know what Javik has to do with it.

I have to saves from right before Priority: Earth. On one of them the airlock is closed, on the other wich is a bit later the airlock is open. 

The second save is made near Javik, and if i co up - i find the airlock always open. Just want to track the trigger, that's all (even if it is a bug)

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 Ok, here are two screenshots. 

This one is the galaxy map shortly before the stike on Earth: 

This one is the airlock: 

As you can see, the airlock is close. It's not open in any way, shape or form.

Have Hacket already given his speech, or have you spoken to Javik? 

This is right before you order the fleets to Earth. Really, it's right before. Everyone has been spoken wih that need speaking to, including Javik. Hackett first gives his speech after you trigger the mission, after which you cannot return to the Normandy anymore.

[demersel]

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish. 

If the reapers actually had the possibility to strike, they'd have done it when said leaders actually were on the Normandy, and did they?

Who says that capability to indoctrinate=capability to strike? 

And tey did get what they wanted - everysingle leader and all of the galaxy's combined forces in one single place. Imagine that the crucible is a bomb, for example. 

So everything the galaxy has to offer is gathered at SOL, and locked there. Crucible blows up SOL (we can even set it off ourselves) - it takes out entire system - all the reapers inside + all our fleets. 
What happens next? If there is even a sinle reaper left anywhere else (and there are plenty if we remember the galaxy map)  -  they can will complete the harvest unopposed. 

Yes, but what would they have done as well? That's right: They'd have blown up humanity, which certainly wouldn't be in their interests. It has already been stated that humanity is very interesting for the reapers, which is why they want to make the next capital ship a human one. If they'd blow up Sol (and simultaneously essentially humanity), they'd have no humans left to salvage, now would they? All of them would've been destroyed.

Maybe they changed their mind about that back when you killed the collectors in ME2? The "You have failed we will find another way" thing an all. 

[paxxton]

Maybe Javik threw someone out. Check your staff.

But seriously, I doubt there's anything profoundly IT-related to that.

Modifié par paxxton, 14 décembre 2012 - 11:33 .

[estebanus]

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish. 

If the reapers actually had the possibility to strike, they'd have done it when said leaders actually were on the Normandy, and did they?

Who says that capability to indoctrinate=capability to strike? 

And tey did get what they wanted - everysingle leader and all of the galaxy's combined forces in one single place. Imagine that the crucible is a bomb, for example. 

So everything the galaxy has to offer is gathered at SOL, and locked there. Crucible blows up SOL (we can even set it off ourselves) - it takes out entire system - all the reapers inside + all our fleets. 
What happens next? If there is even a sinle reaper left anywhere else (and there are plenty if we remember the galaxy map)  -  they can will complete the harvest unopposed. 

Yes, but what would they have done as well? That's right: They'd have blown up humanity, which certainly wouldn't be in their interests. It has already been stated that humanity is very interesting for the reapers, which is why they want to make the next capital ship a human one. If they'd blow up Sol (and simultaneously essentially humanity), they'd have no humans left to salvage, now would they? All of them would've been destroyed.

Maybe they changed their mind about that back when you killed the collectors in ME2? The "You have failed we will find another way" thing an all. 

Uhm, I'm pretty sure it's been stated in the ME3 codex that the reapers want to make a human reaper.

[Dwailing]

estebanus wrote...

demersel wrote...

estebanus wrote...

 Ok, here are two screenshots. 

This one is the galaxy map shortly before the stike on Earth: 

This one is the airlock: 

As you can see, the airlock is close. It's not open in any way, shape or form.

Have Hacket already given his speech, or have you spoken to Javik? 

This is right before you order the fleets to Earth. Really, it's right before. Everyone has been spoken wih that need speaking to, including Javik. Hackett first gives his speech after you trigger the mission, after which you cannot return to the Normandy anymore.

Sounds like this might just be a bug, then.  And even if it wasn't, I still couldn't see any particular significance to the Airlock being ajar (Dudes, shout out to EDI.  And Byne, who should get this).

[MegumiAzusa]

magnetite wrote...

Dwailing wrote...
Indeed, indeed.  If nothing else, this whole experience has given me a new appreciation for everything in Mass Effect as a whole, given that we've found details that possibly support IT going all the way back to ME1.

And before then with the Revelation novel (alien artifact that turned out to be Reaper tech), and even before that with Project SFX (codename for Mass Effect trilogy, before it was called that. Mass Effect 3's Coalesced file refers to it as "SFXGame" and not Mass Effect 3) as of 2004. According to the final hours app, the lore, backstory and such for this trilogy was made before Mass Effect 1 (around 2003-2005). The Project mentioned something about a master race enslaving all the other races or something like that.

All games are called either SFXGame, BioGame, or SFX followed by the number.
You can also see this in the build paths that are in the binaries:
"D:\\SFX2_Build\\sfx2\\Game\\Main\\UnrealEngine3\\Binaries\\LTCG-BioGame.pdb"
"D:\\sfx3-build-PCCode\\sfx3\\Game\\PatchPC\\Main\\UnrealEngine3\\Development\\External\\EAOS\\BlazeSDK\\3.15.06.0\\source\\blazeconnection.cpp"
Just the first two examples of ME2 and ME3 executables.

[paxxton]

SFX = sound effects, gfx = graphics.

[MegumiAzusa]

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish.

Which was not the point. The point was they could easily tweak the responses so always the home planet comes first and therefor no help for the Alliance leaving Shep with no allies and an easy to pick Galaxy.

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

SFX = sound effects, gfx = graphics.

Not always, SFX is an acronym for SciFi X in this case, the codename for all Mass Effect.

[CoolioThane]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

Interesting. Just checked out what the core looked like in Mass Effect 2. Those big cables were not in there.

You clearly missed the drive core retrofit the SR-2 had between ME2 and ME3.

Nope, I did not miss it. I simply did not point it out as a possibility. Normandy is strange in Mass Effect 3, and while you can easily explain these things as retrofits, there could still be something underneath.

Yes you said it yourself any changes can easily be explained as being part of the retrofit, so just saying "they were not in there [in ME2]" doesn't make much sense as there is nothing to suggest it's not standard technology the Alliance uses. What you would basically suggest is that the crew retrofitting the Normandy is indoctrinated. Keep in mind said crew is also the one on board while ME3. It also means you suggest anyone on board the Normandy could be subject to indoctrination, which makes not much sense if you consider the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish.

Which was not the point. The point was they could easily tweak the responses so always the home planet comes first and therefor no help for the Alliance leaving Shep with no allies and an easy to pick Galaxy.

You are forgetting being near Reapers doesn't necessarily mean instant-indoctrination. Leaders didn't tend to stay on the SR2 very long anyways. Not that I'm agreeing with dem either, I'm not sure the cables mean anything

[BansheeOwnage]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

SFX = sound effects, gfx = graphics.

Not always, SFX is an acronym for SciFi X in this case, the codename for all Mass Effect.

Hey Megumi, didn't know that. Was that their original name for it? Project SciFi X!

Oh, hey team!

[BansheeOwnage]

CoolioThane wrote...

I was trying to get a very controversial idea across before getting attacked by that guy...

...that was something about what could happen after the breath scene.

You know the Citadel used to be a relay, and that we have no idea what the Crucible actually does?

Do you think there could be a race of highly intelligent organics/synthetics that built a relay that could only access this Citadel-Crucible and hid somewhere like Dark Space? So that when the crucible and citadel are activated, they can come through and surprise attack los Reaperos?

It's a strange idea but one that could allow for conventional victory?

EDIT: Craziness for TOP

Oooh I like that a lot. Don't know how likely it is, but it's definitely interesting and requires no space magic.

[umadcommander]

mother of god, theres a new seival thread

Modifié par umadcommander, 14 décembre 2012 - 11:56 .

[BansheeOwnage]

umadcommander wrote...

mother of god, theres a new seival thread

Alright team. The mission is simple: This thread needs to be locked down. You know what to do!

[umadcommander]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

mother of god, theres a new seival thread

Alright team. The mission is simple: This thread needs to be locked down. You know what to do!

*que suicide mission theme*

[CoolioThane]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

CoolioThane wrote...

I was trying to get a very controversial idea across before getting attacked by that guy...

...that was something about what could happen after the breath scene.

You know the Citadel used to be a relay, and that we have no idea what the Crucible actually does?

Do you think there could be a race of highly intelligent organics/synthetics that built a relay that could only access this Citadel-Crucible and hid somewhere like Dark Space? So that when the crucible and citadel are activated, they can come through and surprise attack los Reaperos?

It's a strange idea but one that could allow for conventional victory?

EDIT: Craziness for TOP

Oooh I like that a lot. Don't know how likely it is, but it's definitely interesting and requires no space magic.

Hey Banshee! I'm able to play MP wichoo next week though I forgot my headset!

Thanks for the nice words! It's a crazy idea but I think it'd be kinda cool - might also turn out to be evil-ish and we fight them in the next Trilogy! 

[DoomsdayDevice]

demersel wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

(...) the Reapers just let you go on gathering forces (as basically any alien leader but Aria comes on board at one point) instead of using divide and conquer.

No! The reapers would not want a place where every single galaxy leader comes at some point. No way, why would they? That's rubbish.