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BatmanTurian wrote...

We had GBGriffin and MegaSovereign here how long? And they were pretty civil. dreamgazer stays on the fence but he's pretty reasonable and insightful and never seems condescending.

I feel a little guilty talking about other people when they're not here actually.


HagarIshay and Epyon are the two best literalists. I'm nor sure if Mormon Revan is a literalist, but if he is, he is on the good literalist list.

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byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

We had GBGriffin and MegaSovereign here how long? And they were pretty civil. dreamgazer stays on the fence but he's pretty reasonable and insightful and never seems condescending.

I feel a little guilty talking about other people when they're not here actually.


HagarIshay and Epyon are the two best literalists. I'm nor sure if Mormon Revan is a literalist, but if he is, he is on the good literalist list.


Now this I can agree with whole heartedly.  Hagar and Epyon are awesome.

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Some of you are too quick to make excuses. Megumi thinks she proved IT wrong and we're all childish for lying to ourselves about it. She's insulting, patronizing, and sometimes flat out dishonest in her discussions. The occasional good point she makes is completely wiped away by her repeated antagonism and superiority complex.


I think that she thinks that IT as it currently is is not right.  Who knows?  She could be right.  The thing is that we need to respond respectfully, reasonably, and with strong evidence.  Will we convince her?  Probably not.  But should we attack and belittle her for bringing up (Usually) legitmate points?  No, at least not IMHO.


I think respect is a two-way street and I'm sure others would agree.

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I think accusing us of being complacent and treating anyone who disagrees with disdain is a gross misrepresentation. Her I'm right you're all wrong attitude is the source of conflict, not this threads alleged GTFO mentality. Of course some of you still think Heretic Hanar isn't trolling so I guess I'm not surprised. Whatever though, you see itor you don't. Moving on


QFT.  I still can't believe the gullibility of people thinking Hanar was done trolling.  Jesus.  No wonder we're having this argument.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Some of you are too quick to make excuses. Megumi thinks she proved IT wrong and we're all childish for lying to ourselves about it. She's insulting, patronizing, and sometimes flat out dishonest in her discussions. The occasional good point she makes is completely wiped away by her repeated antagonism and superiority complex.


I think that she thinks that IT as it currently is is not right.  Who knows?  She could be right.  The thing is that we need to respond respectfully, reasonably, and with strong evidence.  Will we convince her?  Probably not.  But should we attack and belittle her for bringing up (Usually) legitmate points?  No, at least not IMHO.


I think respect is a two-way street and I'm sure others would agree.


Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.

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byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

We had GBGriffin and MegaSovereign here how long? And they were pretty civil. dreamgazer stays on the fence but he's pretty reasonable and insightful and never seems condescending.

I feel a little guilty talking about other people when they're not here actually.


HagarIshay and Epyon are the two best literalists. I'm nor sure if Mormon Revan is a literalist, but if he is, he is on the good literalist list.

Agreed. I LIKE it when we have people who doubt us and challenge us, but not in an antagonistic way where they're trying to score points to put on an imaginary scoreboard.

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Uh, no, not the placebo effect.  Have you ever played competitive online MP?  Frame rate has a MASSIVE effect on your responsiveness and the smoothness of your movements and actions.  That's why I can't play BF3 on High.  I need to be around 40+ FPS or so in order to be able to play, and my wimpy ATI 5750 can only maintain around 30 FPS on High.


To throw my hat into the FPS debate, personally I do notice an effect, but it's not always a positive one. My TV has an default option to generate additional frames to supposedly boost it's output to 60 frames per second. I very quickly had to turn it off, as I found it too distracting.

Films looked too smooth. I remember watching a DVD of LotR and everthing had that flat, lifeless quality you associate with day-time soap operas.

I'm hoping the Hobbit will have better results, seeing as it was actually shot at a high frame rate, rather than being increased artificially later. But I'm a little apprehensive about going to see it tbh.

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Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.


You cant use how someone acts outside of the thread to excuse how they act inside of the thread.

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spotlessvoid wrote...

I think accusing us of being complacent and treating anyone who disagrees with disdain is a gross misrepresentation. Her I'm right you're all wrong attitude is the source of conflict, not this threads alleged GTFO mentality. Of course some of you still think Heretic Hanar isn't trolling so I guess I'm not surprised. Whatever though, you see itor you don't. Moving on


QFT.  I still can't believe the gullibility of people thinking Hanar was done trolling.  Jesus.  No wonder we're having this argument.


He's not always trolling.  He's a bit like Gavin from Rooster Teeth.  He can be a horrible, horrible troll when he wants to be, but he's not always a troll.  He's brought up some legit points, it's just that we feel like there's no point in debating with him since he never agrees with us.  Sometimes, debating just for the sake of debating, with the knowledge that neither side will change the other's mind, can be fun.

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Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Some of you are too quick to make excuses. Megumi thinks she proved IT wrong and we're all childish for lying to ourselves about it. She's insulting, patronizing, and sometimes flat out dishonest in her discussions. The occasional good point she makes is completely wiped away by her repeated antagonism and superiority complex.


I think that she thinks that IT as it currently is is not right.  Who knows?  She could be right.  The thing is that we need to respond respectfully, reasonably, and with strong evidence.  Will we convince her?  Probably not.  But should we attack and belittle her for bringing up (Usually) legitmate points?  No, at least not IMHO.


I think respect is a two-way street and I'm sure others would agree.


Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.

I certainly have not spoken to her in-person over a mic or something. I've told her (and so have others) that it's the tone and language of her posts. You can be the nicest person in the world but if you say something a little off on the internet without context and don't realize it, then that will make a bad impression on people. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but some days it's very difficult.

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Are we comparing people to RT employees now?

Can I be Ray?

Shout out to Shadlez.

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Dwailing wrote...

Uh, no, not the placebo effect.  Have you ever played competitive online MP?  Frame rate has a MASSIVE effect on your responsiveness and the smoothness of your movements and actions.  That's why I can't play BF3 on High.  I need to be around 40+ FPS or so in order to be able to play, and my wimpy ATI 5750 can only maintain around 30 FPS on High.


To throw my hat into the FPS debate, personally I do notice an effect, but it's not always a positive one. My TV has an default option to generate additional frames to supposedly boost it's output to 60 frames per second. I very quickly had to turn it off, as I found it too distracting.

Films looked too smooth. I remember watching a DVD of LotR and everthing had that flat, lifeless quality you associate with day-time soap operas.

I'm hoping the Hobbit will have better results, seeing as it was actually shot at a high frame rate, rather than being increased artificially later. But I'm a little apprehensive about going to see it tbh.

It was great. Don't even sweat it, bro. Trust me.

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Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.


You cant use how someone acts outside of the thread to excuse how they act inside of the thread.


True, I agree with that.  What I'm saying is that it seems many hate her on a more personal level.  That is not deserved.  You can hate her on a professional level and for her actions on the thread, but hating her as a person would be wrong, IMHO.  I know that this is probably not an opinion many will share, but I feel like sharing it anyway.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Some of you are too quick to make excuses. Megumi thinks she proved IT wrong and we're all childish for lying to ourselves about it. She's insulting, patronizing, and sometimes flat out dishonest in her discussions. The occasional good point she makes is completely wiped away by her repeated antagonism and superiority complex.


I think that she thinks that IT as it currently is is not right.  Who knows?  She could be right.  The thing is that we need to respond respectfully, reasonably, and with strong evidence.  Will we convince her?  Probably not.  But should we attack and belittle her for bringing up (Usually) legitmate points?  No, at least not IMHO.


I think respect is a two-way street and I'm sure others would agree.


Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.

I certainly have not spoken to her in-person over a mic or something. I've told her (and so have others) that it's the tone and language of her posts. You can be the nicest person in the world but if you say something a little off on the internet without context and don't realize it, then that will make a bad impression on people. I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, but some days it's very difficult.


I have not spoken to her via mic, but I have chatted with her via chat box, and we've talked about, you know, stuff.  That's why I like her.

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Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think accusing us of being complacent and treating anyone who disagrees with disdain is a gross misrepresentation. Her I'm right you're all wrong attitude is the source of conflict, not this threads alleged GTFO mentality. Of course some of you still think Heretic Hanar isn't trolling so I guess I'm not surprised. Whatever though, you see itor you don't. Moving on


QFT.  I still can't believe the gullibility of people thinking Hanar was done trolling.  Jesus.  No wonder we're having this argument.


He's not always trolling.  He's a bit like Gavin from Rooster Teeth.  He can be a horrible, horrible troll when he wants to be, but he's not always a troll.  He's brought up some legit points, it's just that we feel like there's no point in debating with him since he never agrees with us.  Sometimes, debating just for the sake of debating, with the knowledge that neither side will change the other's mind, can be fun.


No, it's not fun when people will not even concede points. I destroyed his literal interpretation by simply explaining how impossible it is for Shep to survive High EMS Destroy and he lost it, he seriously lost it. He's not interested in facts, only in being right.

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Are we comparing people to RT employees now?

Can I be Ray?

Shout out to Shadlez.


If you get to be Ray, then I get to be Gavin.  Maybe a little OOC for me, but hey, who cares?

Edit: And besides, setting stuff on fire (In games) is cool.  That why I chose the Infiltrator originally.  I got combat skills, and I got Incinerate.  Perfect combo for me.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:27 .


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Anyways, back to the previous topic...

I think Arian really does deserve the respect and admiration we give him, especially considering how much he's done for IT. At the very least, his unexpected return does, and if he sticks around for a while then the way we treat him will probably get back to normal. But for now, can't we just be glad that he's back, even if only for a little while?

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I have not spoken to her via mic, but I have chatted with her via chat box, and we've talked about, you know, stuff.  That's why I like her.

Alright, fair enough. I'm sure she's personable sometimes.

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Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.


You cant use how someone acts outside of the thread to excuse how they act inside of the thread.


True, I agree with that.  What I'm saying is that it seems many hate her on a more personal level.  That is not deserved.  You can hate her on a professional level and for her actions on the thread, but hating her as a person would be wrong, IMHO.  I know that this is probably not an opinion many will share, but I feel like sharing it anyway.


Really?  Seems to me like she completely deserves hate on a personal level.

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Question:
I'm almost done with text part of my comparison, but I haven't started pictures/gifs(which would you like btw, pics, gifs, or combo of the two) yet. Do you want just the text, in which case I can probably get it done in 2-4 hours, or do you want the full thing, in which case it won't be up for a couple more days since I have a wedding to go to tomorrow? Which would you guys prefer?
Also note that full version will be it's own thread too.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

I think accusing us of being complacent and treating anyone who disagrees with disdain is a gross misrepresentation. Her I'm right you're all wrong attitude is the source of conflict, not this threads alleged GTFO mentality. Of course some of you still think Heretic Hanar isn't trolling so I guess I'm not surprised. Whatever though, you see itor you don't. Moving on


QFT.  I still can't believe the gullibility of people thinking Hanar was done trolling.  Jesus.  No wonder we're having this argument.


He's not always trolling.  He's a bit like Gavin from Rooster Teeth.  He can be a horrible, horrible troll when he wants to be, but he's not always a troll.  He's brought up some legit points, it's just that we feel like there's no point in debating with him since he never agrees with us.  Sometimes, debating just for the sake of debating, with the knowledge that neither side will change the other's mind, can be fun.


No, it's not fun when people will not even concede points. I destroyed his literal interpretation by simply explaining how impossible it is for Shep to survive High EMS Destroy and he lost it, he seriously lost it. He's not interested in facts, only in being right.


Eh, maybe I'm being too easy on Hanar.  I guess it's just not in my nature to really be a jerk to anyone.  Someone REALLY has to tick me off to get me to get on my hit list.  I guess I'm just pretty easy going.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:28 .


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Lokanaiya wrote...

Anyways, back to the previous topic...

I think Arian really does deserve the respect and admiration we give him, especially considering how much he's done for IT. At the very least, his unexpected return does, and if he sticks around for a while then the way we treat him will probably get back to normal. But for now, can't we just be glad that he's back, even if only for a little while?


Agreed, he has done a lot. Whether he's right or wrong about Megumi is minor compared to many of his contributions to our endeavor.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

Eryri wrote...

I'm hoping the Hobbit will have better results, seeing as it was actually shot at a high frame rate, rather than being increased artificially later. But I'm a little apprehensive about going to see it tbh.

It was great. Don't even sweat it, bro. Trust me.


Good to know. Thanks mate. 

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Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.


You cant use how someone acts outside of the thread to excuse how they act inside of the thread.


True, I agree with that.  What I'm saying is that it seems many hate her on a more personal level.  That is not deserved.  You can hate her on a professional level and for her actions on the thread, but hating her as a person would be wrong, IMHO.  I know that this is probably not an opinion many will share, but I feel like sharing it anyway.


Really?  Seems to me like she completely deserves hate on a personal level.


ouch. That is personal. :unsure:

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Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Well, I think she respects me.  At least, I'd like to think so, based on our chats between raging.  Maybe you all just haven't had the chance to talk to her outside of the thread.


You cant use how someone acts outside of the thread to excuse how they act inside of the thread.


True, I agree with that.  What I'm saying is that it seems many hate her on a more personal level.  That is not deserved.  You can hate her on a professional level and for her actions on the thread, but hating her as a person would be wrong, IMHO.  I know that this is probably not an opinion many will share, but I feel like sharing it anyway.


Really?  Seems to me like she completely deserves hate on a personal level.


Well, maybe from YOU, but she's never done anything to ME to earn my permanent ire.

Edit: Also, yeah, after reading the context, that was a bit over the line.  And I'm going to end it there before I say something stupid.

Modifié par Dwailing, 15 décembre 2012 - 04:32 .