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[RavenEyry]

I believe the arrival timer is waaay longer if you do it before SM. That's something at least.

[paxxton]

RavenEyry wrote...

I believe the arrival timer is waaay longer if you do it before SM. That's something at least.

One explanation would be that the Reapers decided to build a human Reaper because they were past their usual hayday due to Sovereign's defeat, and simultaneously go "on foot" to kill time.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

I believe the arrival timer is waaay longer if you do it before SM. That's something at least.

One explanation would be that the Reapers decided to build a human Reaper because they were past their usual hayday due to Sovereign's defeat, and simultaneously go "on foot" to kill time.

I always thought they started the reaper building just as a head start and not to use it as a vanguard. The game never really says why it's built except the vague assumption they want more reapers.

[Vinny]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Arrival is available after Horizon. Does it change anything in the main game if I play it now?

No comments on my previous post?

Only thing that changes if played before the Collector base is that the Hologram doesn't represent Harbinger but the Collector General.

No dialog changes either?

Also, It's kinda weird that the Reapers are already on the move after Horizon. I always thought that their goal in ME2 was to build a human Reaper and have it pave the way for their return. In the ending cinematic we can even see them powering up in Dark Space and embarking on a journey among the stars.

Well there's this blog I keep in my favorites, give it a look if you have a moment (This guy's work is really interesting) : http://nothing-is-ir...-28-2/#more-325

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, ok. Somehow I forgot this corner on the Normandy. Hm, considering how Shepard now has all these new moves where she can jump one could expect her to be able to crouch through...oh well.
I guess one reason for these additional sections is to make the place look bigger. Same thing on the Citadel, which is full of empty, non accessibile hallways with doors.

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Ah, ok. Somehow I forgot this corner on the Normandy. Hm, considering how Shepard now has all these new moves where she can jump one could expect her to be able to crouch through...oh well.
I guess one reason for these additional sections is to make the place look bigger. Same thing on the Citadel, which is full of empty, non accessibile hallways with doors.

Yup, but don't forget Shep sacrificed the ability to run through fire for the new moves! Was the sacrifice worth it?

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BleedingUranium wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

If you liked KS, you would probably like K-ON

Yeah, I've noticed a lot of people who like KS tend to like K-ON. I might have to give it a shot sometime.

Do it. It's unbelievably adorable and it cheers me up to watch when I've had a sh*tty day.

I looked it up because (partly because it has a weird name), and discovered it's about pretty highschool girls who play in a band.  Must... resist...

I just watched 6 episodes in a row and havent been able to stop smiling the entire time. Its just great.

I'm glad you love it.

[MaximizedAction]

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Yup, but don't forget Shep sacrificed the ability to run through fire for the new moves! Was the sacrifice worth it?

My god it took me all this time to figure out what you meant. *deskpalm*

Yes, of course it wasn't worth that, but hey, at least Shep can now survive a free fall through atmosphere without a proper EVA suit. I think that beats fire.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:12 .

[MegumiAzusa]

MaximizedAction wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...
Yup, but don't forget Shep sacrificed the ability to run through fire for the new moves! Was the sacrifice worth it?

My god it took me all this time to figure out what you meant. *deskpalm*

Yes, of course it wasn't worth that, but hey, at least Shep can now survive a free fall through atmosphere without a proper EVA suit. I think that beats fire.

That one is still up to debate.
Also would have been her suit even be damaged with that ability? 8D

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[RavenEyry]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yes, of course it wasn't worth that, but hey, at least Shep can now survive a free fall through atmosphere without a proper EVA suit. I think that beats fire.

Vacuum and atmospheric entry are things you can develop an aquired immunity to.

[MaximizedAction]

RavenEyry wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Yes, of course it wasn't worth that, but hey, at least Shep can now survive a free fall through atmosphere without a proper EVA suit. I think that beats fire.

Vacuum and atmospheric entry are things you can develop an aquired immunity to.

Vacuum used to be 2mainstream for Shep, since everyone could do that. Only needed a breathing mask. No, Shepard needs something more extreme. So N7 Baumgartner here had to kick it up a notch.

Also, don't forget, even if Shepard died in the fire, it was the fire+the atmospheric drop. So that makes two kills and according to math: (-1)*(-1)=+1. So see, that's why he could survive re-entry.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[paxxton]

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

[umadcommander]

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

no, they wouldnt have turned on udina if they were indoctrinated

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

Everybody's indoctrinated. 

That's part of the problem when thinking about Shepard potentially falling under the process: if s/he's tainted, everyone else around her could be. And I certainly doubt BioWare intended that caliber of speculation.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

Sorry, I do. Why shouldn't they. The whole Horizon scene is indeed odd, at one point they are captured by the Collectors, then the camera focuses on another collonist.

Next thing we know, a wild VS appears from behind the crates and acts all hostile towards Shepard.

Speaking of which, I rewatched the scene with Kaiden and it reminded me so much of the KOTOR scenes between you and Carth where he constantly doubts you.
So it would be natural to expect some kind of big reveal that shows the story/background behind all these small convos.

[MaximizedAction]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

Everybody's indoctrinated. 

That's part of the problem when thinking about Shepard potentially falling under the process: if s/he's tainted, everyone else around her could be. And I certainly doubt BioWare intended that caliber of speculation.

Well, they should've thought about that before introducing the concept of indoctrination and hidding it so much throughout ME3.

[spotlessvoid]

paxxton wrote...

I've replayed the mission on Horizon in ME2 and I'm quite positive that the VS is not who he/she seems to be. Why? Kaidan (in my Renegade playthrough he's the VS) is shown walking with Lilith when the seeker swarm attacks them. Both he and Lilith are stinged and frozen in a stasis field. Then after Shepard and squaddies have dealt with the Collector invasion, a mechanic appears shouting that Lilith has been taken away in the ship. How in the world Kaidan could appear in that scene unharmed if he was frozen together with the others (in close proximity to Lilith)? Also, he chimes in and immediately knows what the mechanic was talking about. It almost looks as if he was hiding behind a crate listening to the conversation. He speaks calmly (though that might be due to Sbarge's VA) and never mentions the abducted colonists as if that wasn't important.

EDIT: Furthermore, notice what theme is playing in the background. Vigil. I know that scene was always though to be a kind of reunion but given the above that theme seems inappropriate there. As if the game wanted to make the player relax and don't pay attention to obvious inconsistencies.

[spotlessvoid]

Dammit

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[demersel]

Megumi - you took the screenshot on the wrong stairwell - it is much better visible form the other stairwell.

[paxxton]

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

Everybody's indoctrinated. 

That's part of the problem when thinking about Shepard potentially falling under the process: if s/he's tainted, everyone else around her could be. And I certainly doubt BioWare intended that caliber of speculation.

Why? It's quite straightforward that the most important characters of the games are targeted by the Reapers. They all equally helped defeat Sovereign. Sure, Shepard is the protagonist and the character controlled by the player which gives him a special place in the story, but other squadmates' resolve is not much less strong than Shepard's.

[Eryri]

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

I think it's possible, but unlikely just for storytelling reasons. The VS can die during the coup if you mess up. If that happens you'd never find out if they were indoctrinated (assuming you'd find out in post ending dlc). 

It's too much of a juicy plot point to waste on a character than can potentially die. I'd expect it on someone with considerably more plot armour, like Liara or James.

I agree the VS' miraculous survival on Horizon is weird though.

[paxxton]

spotlessvoid wrote...

Dammit

So you completely agree?

[Dwailing]

Eryri wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

I think it's possible, but unlikely just for storytelling reasons. The VS can die during the coup if you mess up. If that happens you'd never find out if they were indoctrinated (assuming you'd find out in post ending dlc). 

It's too much of a juicy plot point to waste on a character than can potentially die. I'd expect it on someone with considerably more plot armour, like Liara or James.

I agree the VS' miraculous survival on Horizon is weird though.

Yeah, now that I think about it, the fact that the VS survives is a bit weird.  Maybe the Reapers had some kind of plan for him/her in relation to Shepard...

[dreamgazer]

paxxton wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

Everybody's indoctrinated. 

That's part of the problem when thinking about Shepard potentially falling under the process: if s/he's tainted, everyone else around her could be. And I certainly doubt BioWare intended that caliber of speculation.

Why? It's quite straightforward that the most important characters of the games are targeted by the Reapers. They all equally helped defeat Sovereign. Sure, Shepard is the protagonist and the character controlled by the player which gives him a special place in the story, but other squadmates' resolve is not much less strong than Shepard's.

Perhaps, but there's zero payoff at the end of the trilogy if that's the case. It's all left to speculation---so, in truth, everyone could be indoctrinated and, conversely, everyone could be fighting off indoctrination.

I still think there's merit behind reading ME3 with Shepard's indoctrination in mind---and that bit about the VS spotlessvoid pointed out could be seen as interesting, if not dismissed as a writing flub---but going beyond that really opens up a can of worms for everyone else involved.  And BioWare's never expressed an interest in the story being that elaborate of a "whodunit".  Looking at things suspiciously, sure, but not anywhere near that.

[paxxton]

Eryri wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Seriously, no one thinks the VS might be indoctrinated?

I think it's possible, but unlikely just for storytelling reasons. The VS can die during the coup if you mess up. If that happens you'd never find out if they were indoctrinated (assuming you'd find out in post ending dlc). 

It's too much of a juicy plot point to waste on a character than can potentially die. I'd expect it on someone with considerably more plot armour, like Liara or James.

I agree the VS' miraculous survival on Horizon is weird though.

Mass Effect was always aiming at accuracy, being believable and lifelike so as in RL coincidences happen in ME3. The VS could've been indoctrinated and a plan was prepared for them but it so happened that Shepard shot them. I think it's perfectly reasonable a chain of events. On the other hand if you saved the VS during the coup, their role will be revealed in the post-ending DLC.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 décembre 2012 - 05:56 .