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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark III!


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is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

I don't think it's likely the VS is indoctrinated. They can be killed in the Udina standoff. If anybody was to be indoctrinated, it would be somebody who cannot die.

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Soo...recently I was playing the new Dragonborn DLC for Skyrim, enjoying eing able to fly on the back of a dragon. when I remembered how some of the elements in the story were similar to the way indoctrination works in certain situations, such as touching an ancient artifact and suddenly becoming a mindless drone but resusting it through your will. Not that I think this has anything to do with IT but it just seems funny that I'm seeing ideas similar to ME's indoctrination popping up everytwhere in other games, on TV and films too. Not that they weren't around before but I must be focusing on them now, thx alot IT thread. :P

Ah and btw, being able to fly over the skies of Skyrim on Odahviing...may just be the best thing ever...just sayin. Even makes me reconsider putting dragons in my novel, even though I said "NO! No dragons! we are NOT doing that cliche!"

apparently being able to ride a dragon makes you reconsider. :P


I am a huge sucker for dragons personally (just take a look at my avatar) and my own stories center heavily around dragons most of the time. Hell my longest running story (fan fiction in this case) has no humans in it at all, instead following two dragons through their life together. It is currently longer than the the first Lord of the Rings book...

But really people say dragons are cliche, I say people are simply not creative enough with them.

Don't get me wrong, I love dragons, I'm just having a difficult time deciding if they are right for my story.  It is technically set on post-apocalyptic Earth but it is a Fantasy story, so it is kind of a post-post-apocalyptic Earth.  I did want to put dragons in there somehow, but I wasn't sure how to do it with the setting being as it is.  Still in the structuring stage of the book so maybe something will happen. Posted Image

Also your story with the two dragons sounds really interesting.Posted Image

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401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

I don't think it's likely the VS is indoctrinated. They can be killed in the Udina standoff. If anybody was to be indoctrinated, it would be somebody who cannot die.


Liara?

*cough*

Or...Joker.

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401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

I don't think it's likely the VS is indoctrinated. They can be killed in the Udina standoff. If anybody was to be indoctrinated, it would be somebody who cannot die.

you mean like EDI or joker?

Also since when did indoctrination stop you getting killed?  for all we know the reapers could have millions of servants.  They have shown they dont value life so what would it be to them? just the loss of another thrall.

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dreamgazer wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.


Branching off that tangent a bit: do you guys actually think BioWare would ever have the stones to force their brand of audience to stomach the idea of romancing (among other things) an indoctrinated squad member?


IMO this is exactly the way to get ALL the feels. And what would be an even better feeling if we could help them overcome it and save not only them but also what they were about to do.
An emotional connection is what makes us care. Also, if Shepard was able to overcome it then he might convince others too that it's possible.

Dunno about you but the amount of money I'll be throwing at the screen will be directly proportional to the amount of emotions an IT DLC would induce.

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dorktainian wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

I don't think it's likely the VS is indoctrinated. They can be killed in the Udina standoff. If anybody was to be indoctrinated, it would be somebody who cannot die.

you mean like EDI or joker?

Also since when did indoctrination stop you getting killed?  for all we know the reapers could have millions of servants.  They have shown they dont value life so what would it be to them? just the loss of another thrall.

Im saying from a writing standpoint it would not be wise to have a charecter be indoctrinated that could die. If that character dies, then there can be no twist. In the lore, anybody could potentially be indoctrinated.

This is my opinion.

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401 Kill wrote...

Has anything of interest happenned??

The VS is not the VS but an impostor.

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Andromidius wrote...

Liara?

*cough*

Or...Joker.

I think James is the most likely if they go for the traitor teammate angle. I think James has the most potential clues and besides, Liara has way too many fans (even at Bioware going by how they shoehorn her into everything)

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paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Has anything of interest happenned??

The VS is not the VS but an impostor.

That's not something that happened.

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paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Has anything of interest happenned??

The VS is not the VS but an impostor.

hey in a game where so many things dont make sense owt can happen.  we might even get a satisfactory ending.  who knows?

Modifié par dorktainian, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:37 .


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dorktainian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

 don't write off anything yet.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaa?

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RavenEyry wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Liara?

*cough*

Or...Joker.

I think James is the most likely if they go for the traitor teammate angle. I think James has the most potential clues and besides, Liara has way too many fans (even at Bioware going by how they shoehorn her into everything)

Also, Liar-a. Posted ImagePosted Image

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Arashi08 wrote...
Don't get me wrong, I love dragons, I'm just having a difficult time deciding if they are right for my story.  It is technically set on post-apocalyptic Earth but it is a Fantasy story, so it is kind of a post-post-apocalyptic Earth.  I did want to put dragons in there somehow, but I wasn't sure how to do it with the setting being as it is.  Still in the structuring stage of the book so maybe something will happen. Posted Image

Also your story with the two dragons sounds really interesting.Posted Image


My fantasy story has Dragons (mostly wiped out), and a sub-race of Dragon/Humanoid hybrids that vary between a feral flying reptile to almost near-human in appearence.  The leaders are those who spare equally in each bloodline, but are sterile, the near-dragons are warriors (though often lack much intelligence and can rarely speak) and the near-humans are servents who ride on the near-dragons when they go to war.

Gotta mix it up a bit.

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dorktainian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

Has anything of interest happenned??

The VS is not the VS but an impostor.

hey in a game where so many things dont make sense owt can happen.  we might even get a satisfactory ending.  who knows?

I don't rule out anything. Even the possibility that the canon ending is that the war's been lost.

Modifié par paxxton, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:41 .


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RavenEyry wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Liara?

*cough*

Or...Joker.

I think James is the most likely if they go for the traitor teammate angle. I think James has the most potential clues and besides, Liara has way too many fans (even at Bioware going by how they shoehorn her into everything)


Or Anderson. doubt he is, but maybe. I mean we did speculate that Shepard is saying goodbye to Anderson because when Shepard wakes up....

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[quote]paxxton wrote...

[quote]RavenEyry wrote...

[quote]Andromidius wrote...

Liara?

*cough*

Or...Joker.

[/quote]
I think James is the most likely if they go for the traitor teammate angle. I think James has the most potential clues and besides, Liara has way too many fans (even at Bioware going by how they shoehorn her into everything)

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Also, Liar-a. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]

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paxxton wrote...
Also, Liar-a. Posted ImagePosted Image

She's named after a butterfly. Someone's going to keep reminding you until you stop with the 'liar' thing.

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12:49 AM 2012-12-13
What happens say if your Shepard dies at the end of ME2 and then you import that saved game into ME3? You don't start as a new protagonist completely different from Shepard right?

That alone makes Bioware look like liars and idiots.

They also said that in ME2 if Shepard dies it will be permanent. LOL thats so much fail on the highest possible levels.

Going by this, Bioware cant be trusted one bit even in their official statements. More credence to IT being true and that ME4 will definitely involve Shepard.

I mean I haven't heard such blatant lying the likes of Bioware ever before in the gaming industry.

so what's you take on this?

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 décembre 2012 - 09:43 .


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masster blaster wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

 don't write off anything yet.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaa?

I'm pretty sure that the VS is fake.

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masster blaster wrote...

windsurfing
12:49 AM 2012-12-13
What happens say if your Shepard dies at the end of ME2 and then you import that saved game into ME3? You don't start as a new protagonist completely different from Shepard right?

That alone makes Bioware look like liars and idiots.

They also said that in ME2 if Shepard dies it will be permanent. LOL thats so much fail on the highest possible levels.

Going by this, Bioware cant be trusted one bit even in their official statements. More credence to IT being true and that ME4 will definitely involve Shepard.

I mean I haven't heard such blatant lying the likes of Bioware ever before in the gaming industry.

so what's you take on this?

I don't understand.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

 don't write off anything yet.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaa?

I'm pretty sure that the VS is fake.


You know Ash is my #1 love intrest right. And I doubt Bioware will have a fake VS because if that's the case Shepard could be right, or everyone.

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paxxton wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

is the VS 'really' the VS?


You mean like are they going to have a "Shepard had sex with a Reaper clone" angle?  No.  No, they are not going to do that.  In over 7,000 pages, I have never been more sure of anything.

 don't write off anything yet.


Waaaaaaaaaaaaa?

I'm pretty sure that the VS is fake.


That doesnt even make sense. If you're going to create a fake VS, you'd make them completely loyal to Shepard so you could get someone close to them for whatever reason. You wouldnt create someone to be relentlessly annoying for the first third of the game, to the point when killing them off for being so annoying is a very real possibility.

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masster blaster wrote...

What happens say if your Shepard dies at the end of ME2 and then you import that saved game into ME3? You don't start as a new protagonist completely different from Shepard right?

That alone makes Bioware look like liars and idiots.

They also said that in ME2 if Shepard dies it will be permanent. LOL thats so much fail on the highest possible levels.

You can't import a save where Shep dies at the end.

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masster blaster wrote...

windsurfing
12:49 AM 2012-12-13
What happens say if your Shepard dies at the end of ME2 and then you import that saved game into ME3? You don't start as a new protagonist completely different from Shepard right?

That alone makes Bioware look like liars and idiots.

They also said that in ME2 if Shepard dies it will be permanent. LOL thats so much fail on the highest possible levels.

Going by this, Bioware cant be trusted one bit even in their official statements. More credence to IT being true and that ME4 will definitely involve Shepard.

I mean I haven't heard such blatant lying the likes of Bioware ever before in the gaming industry.

so what's your take on this?

that you wouldnt be able to carry that game over to ME3.     



yay....top again

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RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Also, Liar-a. Posted ImagePosted Image

She's named after a butterfly. Someone's going to keep reminding you until you stop with the 'liar' thing.


Ah, that must be where the Blue Brigade came up with the whole "Little Wing" deal. I wondered how they branched over to Jimi Hendrix. Interesting.