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[BansheeOwnage]

401 Kill wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
yeah but cerberus?  seriously?  liara hands shepard over to a terrorist group that kills aliens, but never mind, it also claims it can resurect the dead, but has to use reaper tech to do it?  and this strikes her as a good idea?  seriously?  At the beginning of ME2 we had no idea about the collectors and their ties to the reapers, but liara knows all this?  how?

It was that or leave Shep dead. Liara is a bit obsessive remember.

All the more reason Shepard will not be left in the rubble, Liara will alway be alive if you get the breath scene, and she already found you once, regardless if she was your LI or not. 

Yes, and I'm sure other squadmates and Joker would too.

[masster blaster]

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:13 .

[dorktainian]

byne wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

but why would she think he could be resurrected?  it does not make any sense.  he is dead.  a corpse.  she would have gethered everyone together and held a funeral for him, not hand his body over for medical research.  

Because Cerberus told her they could. She didnt hand Shep over for medical research.

She tells you this herself, I dont know why you're so confused.

it's because to me it just doesnt make any sense..but hey this is the mass effect universe where every race ploughs resources into a giant pleasure toy that no one knows either what it actually does or how it works.

[Andromidius]

dorktainian wrote...

byne wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

but why would she think he could be resurrected?  it does not make any sense.  he is dead.  a corpse.  she would have gethered everyone together and held a funeral for him, not hand his body over for medical research.  

Because Cerberus told her they could. She didnt hand Shep over for medical research.

She tells you this herself, I dont know why you're so confused.

it's because to me it just doesnt make any sense..but hey this is the mass effect universe where every race ploughs resources into a giant pleasure toy that no one knows either what it actually does or how it works.

I agree that Liara handing over Shepard's body to Cerberus was a bad/weird choice that turned out okay in the end.

But then desperate times call for desperate measures.  And she really had nothing to lose, and had no way of keeping the body away from anyone herself - so the choice bettter Cerberus and the Collectors is pretty clear-cut even in light of what we know now.

[BatmanTurian]

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

...the only ones who do that are Leviathans...

*mindblown*

[masster blaster]

You know what I also find funny is that when I was playing ME3 SP, and was charging at the hill I thought about... we speculated that Harbinger does not want to kill Shepard right, yet when ever we are hit by a Reaper beam (excluding Harbinger right now) kills/burns Shepard. Now what if Bioware did have Harbinger try to kill Shepard? Harbinger would hit Shepard with his beam, and you will see your Shepard die, yet if you did not die from Harbinger beam, until you get the cut scene, then... wouldn't that say that Harbinger kills Shepard if he/she can"t make it to the beam/ close proximate, but if Shepard get"s close to the beam/ conduit. Then Harbinger semi wounds Shepard, and leaves.

Now if that happened, then IT is more likely to be correct because again. If Harbinger kills Shepard before the cut scene is shown, and does not kill Shepard in the cut scene, then it's more believable that the conduit is an Indoctrinating devices that you have to get into close range to start to feel the effects.

plus it helps that the end is an Indoctrination attempt.

Modifié par masster blaster, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:28 .

[BatmanTurian]

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

...the only ones who do that are Leviathans...

*mindblown*

... yeah but everyone else reacts to the VS as if they're there, so unless the Leviathans have mindf***ed the entire galaxy, I think Kaiden and Ashley are their original selves.

[Andromidius]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

...the only ones who do that are Leviathans...

*mindblown*

... yeah but everyone else reacts to the VS as if they're there, so unless the Leviathans have mindf***ed the entire galaxy, I think Kaiden and Ashley are their original selves.

Garneau

[byne]

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

...the only ones who do that are Leviathans...

*mindblown*

... yeah but everyone else reacts to the VS as if they're there, so unless the Leviathans have mindf***ed the entire galaxy, I think Kaiden and Ashley are their original selves.

Imagine Shepard going into the hospital for the first time and talking to an empty bed, then before leaving, telling the doctor to let them know when s/he's ok.

"Its just a bed, Commander..."

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

RavenEyry wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Also, Liar-a.

She's named after a butterfly. Someone's going to keep reminding you until you stop with the 'liar' thing.

Ah, that must be where the Blue Brigade came up with the whole "Little Wing" deal. I wondered how they branched over to Jimi Hendrix. Interesting.

People call her Little Wing because thats what Benezia calls her as she dies.

Not directly related, but do we know what happens to Aethyta after the coup?
And:
Was Aethyta always some kind of undercover agent? Aethyta tells us on Illium that she is something like an outcast and later in ME3 we are told that she only "takes these crap jobs" to prevent the matriarchs from placing a bounty on Liara. This indicates her poor position in the Asari hierarchy.
On the other hand, the one Asari in Huerta Memorial Hospital that needs biotic amps says after completing the mission that these amps can be applied for Asari Commandos and that matriarch Aethyta will be pleased. This implies that she has a more crucial role in the Asari government/military/spec-ops.
So, what is her role?

[byne]

Restrider wrote...


Not directly related, but do we know what happens to Aethyta after the coup?
And:
Was Aethyta always some kind of undercover agent? Aethyta tells us on Illium that she is something like an outcast and later in ME3 we are told that she only "takes these crap jobs" to prevent the matriarchs from placing a bounty on Liara. This indicates her poor position in the Asari hierarchy.
On the other hand, the one Asari in Huerta Memorial Hospital that needs biotic amps says after completing the mission that these amps can be applied for Asari Commandos and that matriarch Aethyta will be pleased. This implies that she has a more crucial role in the Asari government/military/spec-ops.
So, what is her role?

Her role was keeping watch on Liara and making sure she didnt turn into Benezia 2.0. Her talking about her poor position in society may have just been a cover.

I'm pretty sure someone mentions Aethyta doing something after the coup, so I'm fairly certain she survived.

Modifié par byne, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[CmdrShep80]

Sound familiar? I was reading up on what is "Dark Souls" due to the petition to bring DS2 to the Wii U.

Dark Souls has a minimalistic plot. Events and their significance are often implicit and left to player interpretation rather than fully shown or explained. Much of the story and lore of the world is given to the player through dialogue from characters within the world, item descriptions, or the scarce cutscenes. It is up to the player to put the pieces together.

Best part?

Kaathe implies that the prophecy of the Chosen Undead espoused by Frampt is a lie crafted by the gods to trick the player into sacrificing himself in order to prolong the tyranny of the old order of deities; indeed, Kaathe implies that the deity status of Gwyn et al. is only granted to them by the primordial Flame so long as it is kindled. The player must come to his own conclusion regarding whether Frampt or Kaathe is telling the truth.

Next best part:

the ending. The player may choose to either sacrifice himself in order to re-kindle the Flame and prolong the rule of the existing order of deities or to let the Flame wither and die, ushering in the Age of Dark (or of Humanity as Kaathe would suggest), where the player character will become the "Lord of Dark."

Yet no one complained like they did in ME3

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

...the only ones who do that are Leviathans...

*mindblown*

... yeah but everyone else reacts to the VS as if they're there, so unless the Leviathans have mindf***ed the entire galaxy, I think Kaiden and Ashley are their original selves.

Imagine Shepard going into the hospital for the first time and talking to an empty bed, then before leaving, telling the doctor to let them know when s/he's ok.

"Its just a bed, Commander..."

h'oh, boy

[Restrider]

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

[masster blaster]

Okay I am watching Justice League, and I Superman started to have head acks, and are shown visions of something that he could not make out. Ah reminds me of the beacon on Eden prime.

[byne]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

When looking for Shepard, one generally just goes to the center of the largest explosion. Shep is usually there.

[masster blaster]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

I find it funny that Literalist say Shepard is in the wards, um have you seen the length the Tower is to the Wards, ya good luck. That's like saying Shepard can survive planet rerentre.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

When looking for Shepard, one generally just goes to the center of the largest explosion. Shep is usually there.

I guess that's where they found Anderson, but no Shepard because it's not like the area Shepard is in is not visable to everyones eyes.

[BansheeOwnage]

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

Not a chance. I don't think the beam is working in literal, but even if it was it apparently shoots people out in different random loactions according to Anderson. Following the random entrance, they'd have to go up the kid's elevator which only he can use, and he's dead. Unless Shepard has some sort of tranponder still working, which wouldn't make sense because someone should have been there to help already.

Or, maybe the fleets could just look at the bottom of the citadel, but I doubt that would happen, since apparently no one has in the last 50000 years to see what the hell the decision chamber is...

[CmdrShep80]

I think we'll find out where he is when the next dlc comes out

[byne]

CmdrShep80 wrote...

I think we'll find out where he is when the next dlc comes out

I doubt it.

[paxxton]

BatmanTurian wrote...

I've never seen a case where the Reapers made up an imposter wholesale from scratch. They're more likely to just turn the original against you. I find this imposter theory to be a little unbelievable.

Remember that the VS is not doing this voluntarily. They are made to do it through indoctrination which keeps them unaware of their true selves and allegiances.

Impostor is not the most fortunate description. It's more like a body snatcher. 

Modifié par paxxton, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:50 .

[Restrider]

byne wrote...

Restrider wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Okay so what I still find funny is that Joker is told to leave Shepard behind right. If you look at ME2 ending, then I doubt Joker would just leave Shepard for dead, heck he went outside the Normandy and gave Shepard covering firer, and saved Shepard from an explosin that was very close to blowing up the Normandy..Yet this Joker at the end does not go in and save Shepard. I mean come on how hard could it be right. Normandy made that small pick up, and got out with in a flash. Well if you hurry that goodbye.

Even in a literal POV, does anybody actually know where exactly Shepard is?
They only know that he is somewhere on the Citadel, which has the Presidium Ring and five Wards of 45 km length...

When looking for Shepard, one generally just goes to the center of the largest explosion. Shep is usually there.

I'd argue that it would be too late after the (big) explosion.
Sure it would be technically possible to have a hot pick-up after shooting the tube before the whole Crucible goes boom. But that would need perfect timing and the Normandy crew would need the exact location of Shepard. Both is not the case.
And after the explosion you should only be able to collect Shepard's ashes.
Edit: Pinnacle of this page. That's why I promote IT-Flavour on my favourite spot of pages.

Modifié par Restrider, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:48 .

[KneeTheCap]

I know you must have talked about this all what there is to talk about, but as this thread is thousands of pages long, I couldn't find it. So don't tar & feather me.

I am not sure if they have either patched this out, or changed this, but why is the corpse in the citadel, who's helmet gets removed, Coats? I'm sure this can be brushed off as a reused asset, but wouldn't it make more sense to reuse a random soldier from a random scene? Why him specifically? In that flycam video, it does seem like Coats. Or do I need better glasses?

And like I said, sorry if this has been changed, it's been a while since I last played this game...

Edit. ermh, in the citadel that is. The corpse. There. Yes.

Modifié par KneeTheCap, 15 décembre 2012 - 10:51 .